Ex-scout: Goff a top-five pick, Paxton Lynch the better prospect

[kevm3]

Goff in the first
wentz in the second
dak prescott or treyvonne in the later rounds.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I'm a fan of Goff. Great zip on his passes, very accurate with short/intermediate-passes. Plays smart, doesn't make a ton of stupid mistakes.

Think he has good upside, and a year behind Romo would serve him well. Clearly that would generate a media circus of Rodgers comparisons. No major off the field concerns, type of guy you can confidently build a franchise around.

 

[starfrombirth]

I am not there yet on Goff hope you are seeing what I am not. They all seem like Brad Johnson to me when I list their names. If the boys pick him I will be in their corner but hard for me to see them as top five choices on New Years eve.

I keep seeing this crap! Brad Johnson had league leading offenses with both Washington and Minnesota and won the Super bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the exact same team that Dungy couldn't win with. Yes he had a noodle arm by the time he got here but prior to that he was pretty damn good!

 

[Macnalty]

I keep seeing this crap! Brad Johnson had league leading offenses with both Washington and Minnesota and won the Super bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the exact same team that Dungy couldn't win with. Yes he had a noodle arm by the time he got here but prior to that he was pretty damn good!

I equate him to Andy Dalton do you think that is accurate?

 

[MRV52]

I can't believe that some of you think that we are taking a Qb in the first round. There are only two players the Cowboys should consider and that is Treadwell (My choice) and Elliot

 

[Frosty]

I can't believe that some of you think that we are taking a Qb in the first round. There are only two players the Cowboys should consider and that is Treadwell (My choice) and Elliot

like the picks.. but if they draft at #4 both those picks would be considered a reach......both are top 10 players but not top 5 candidates as of now.......let see how the combine plays out. Then again, Jason Garret could screw up the draft by beating the Commanders and the Boys could fall to #8 in the draft.

 

[MRV52]

like the picks.. but if they draft at #4 both those picks would be considered a reach......both are top 10 players but not top 5 candidates as of now.......let see how the combine plays out. Then again, Jason Garret could screw up the draft by beating the Commanders and the Boys could fall to #8 in the draft.

Some have Treadwell at #1 but he is definately top 5 without a doubt.

 

[starfrombirth]

I equate him to Andy Dalton do you think that is accurate?

Actually... that isn't a bad comparison.

 

[AzorAhai]

I so agree with you on this statement, IMO the QB talent do not warrant consideration with the fourth pick. I am with them full tilt if they see something worthy of developing, and will support them for BPA if that is not the case.

I think that's really the consensus on the board. Very few, if any, want the Cowboys to take Goff or Lynch just because they are QBs. Its because most view them as high caliber prospects and a need. If they end up grading out as top 20 guys, of course you don't take them at 4. If they grade out like most here think there shouldn't be a problem taking them.

 

[Macnalty]

I think that's really the consensus on the board. Very few, if any, want the Cowboys to take Goff or Lynch just because they are QBs. Its because most view them as high caliber prospects and a need. If they end up grading out as top 20 guys, of course you don't take them at 4. If they grade out like most here think there shouldn't be a problem taking them.

I know I should not be saying this but I trust the draft dept of the boys, these last three years have earned that trust.

 

[vaturkey]

Actually... that isn't a bad comparison.

I think that Dalton has a quicker release but Johnson took better care of the ball. Dalton is also a bit better athlete then Johnson was.

 

[Macnalty]

Actually... that isn't a bad comparison.

That comparison gives half that like and half that "meh" the talent. I fall into the non fan category. I can remember him when he came into the league so I have some perspective.

 

[Macnalty]

I think that Dalton has a quicker release but Johnson took better care of the ball. Dalton is also a bit better athlete then Johnson was.

For sure quicker release with Dalton. Hard to forget him playing against Tampa Bay for the boys when he threw for 122 yards(172 total yards, Roy Williams WR) the Cowboys had the lowest total offensive yards in a winning game. Fair or not in my mind his talent gets filtered through his time with the Cowboys.

 

[Macnalty]

no not Carrington, I meant Bralon Addison.

Best game I have watched in a long time, hard to stay seated in that second half. Addison is a hands catcher that will serve him well at the next level. I was confused about him, was thinking of another player, anyway that game took most of my restful sleep last night as it was hard to calm down. Not a lot of Oxygen left in that stadium after that game.
Deforest Buckner is a player he will be gone in the first round maybe top ten.

 

[starfrombirth]

That comparison gives half that like and half that "meh" the talent. I fall into the non fan category. I can remember him when he came into the league so I have some perspective.

In Johnson's prime he had a good enough arm and a really good head. No qb goes interception free of course but he was very cerebral about the game and seemed to get into the right play and hit the open receiver quite often. The problem being that by the time he got here, his arm was d.o.n.e! I would have been happy to have him 5 years younger tho.

 

[Macnalty]

In Johnson's prime he had a good enough arm and a really good head. No qb goes interception free of course but he was very cerebral about the game and seemed to get into the right play and hit the open receiver quite often. The problem being that by the time he got here, his arm was d.o.n.e! I would have been happy to have him 5 years younger tho.

We went through that 5 years too late talent with a significant amount of QB's, Vinny(not sure he ever had it), and Drew Bledsoe. I will be glad to see how the Valley ranch guru's see the talent pool this year for QB's.

 

[AzorAhai]

I know I should not be saying this but I trust the draft dept of the boys, these last three years have earned that trust.

I don't have complete trust because they still struggle in the money Rds. They still aren't great in the 4th-7th Rd. I know it's hard there, but hitting on one or two of those every few years is how good teams stay good. I do however trust them in the 1st Rd. Nearly every player they've been linked to in the 1st Rd of late has been a very good player.

 

[csirl]

I think that's really the consensus on the board. Very few, if any, want the Cowboys to take Goff or Lynch just because they are QBs. Its because most view them as high caliber prospects and a need. If they end up grading out as top 20 guys, of course you don't take them at 4. If they grade out like most here think there shouldn't be a problem taking them.

So if the best player on the board when we draft is a LT or guard you'd draft him?

You wouldn't take a franchise QB because they were maybe only the 15th best player? Madness.

You draft to fill the gaps on your roster or anticipate imminent retirements. You ignore positions where you've a good starter who's the right side of 30.

 

[AzorAhai]

So if the best player on the board when we draft is a LT or guard you'd draft him?

You wouldn't take a franchise QB because they were maybe only the 15th best player? Madness.

You draft to fill the gaps on your roster or anticipate imminent retirements. You ignore positions where you've a good starter who's the right side of 30.

I'm not sure how you think boards are put together, but if a team thinks a QB is going to be a franchise player they won't be ranked 15th. And, no that is not how teams draft. Not good ones anyways. Reaching for need is exactly how you end up getting a Jake Locker over JJ Watt.

 

[AzorAhai]

So if the best player on the board when we draft is a LT or guard you'd draft him?

You wouldn't take a franchise QB because they were maybe only the 15th best player? Madness.

You draft to fill the gaps on your roster or anticipate imminent retirements. You ignore positions where you've a good starter who's the right side of 30.

And no you don't draft an OT or OG at that pick. Boards are generally broken down into tiers of players. You will generally have 3-5 players in each tier. You take the biggest need from that tier, not reach two tiers down for a player because you really need that position.