Excessive Celebration

[LarryCanadian]

links18, they did get a LOT of coaching on the celebration penalty this week apparently. They went over it on purpose. To me that is indicative of the problem. You have a limited amount of time to spend on getting better and instead of telling the players to celebrate after the game and work on things that actually involve playing football, they went over the rule again and yet still managed to get flagged on the NEXT TD.

Someone get's fired if I'm in charge, OR I dive on the sword on resign.

LarryCanadian

 

[rkell87]

Again with the 90's teams. I loved the 90's teams, but that is a completely different situation. Emmitt was NOT a big celebrater. He was a lover of Walter Payton and respected his humility.
All that being said, those guys HAD SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE! End of story. This team hasn't accomplished jack squat yet, and look foolish for behaving like they've won the Super Bowl, let alone a game - they can shut it down until then as far as I'm concerned as a fan - does it really add that much to the fan's experience. I'd much rather have the W thanks.

LarryCanadian

wait, wait, wait......walter and emmitt were lovers?

 

[links18]

links18, they did get a LOT of coaching on the celebration penalty this week apparently. They went over it on purpose. To me that is indicative of the problem. You have a limited amount of time to spend on getting better and instead of telling the players to celebrate after the game and work on things that actually involve playing football, they went over the rule again and yet still managed to get flagged on the NEXT TD.

Someone get's fired if I'm in charge, OR I dive on the sword on resign.

LarryCanadian

Not to mention they actually kicked the ball out of bounds on the ensuing kick-off from the 15. We went over that scenario all week on this board and the team actually goes out and does it on the very next kick-off. Were they afraid of another return? Amazing.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Again with the 90's teams. I loved the 90's teams, but that is a completely different situation. Emmitt was NOT a big celebrater. He was a lover of Walter Payton and respected his humility.
All that being said, those guys HAD SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE! End of story. This team hasn't accomplished jack squat yet, and look foolish for behaving like they've won the Super Bowl, let alone a game - they can shut it down until then as far as I'm concerned as a fan - does it really add that much to the fan's experience. I'd much rather have the W thanks.

LarryCanadian

you are aware they instituted a no taking off your helmet penalty because Smith did that right?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Again with the 90's teams. I loved the 90's teams, but that is a completely different situation. Emmitt was NOT a big celebrater. He was a lover of Walter Payton and respected his humility.
All that being said, those guys HAD SOMETHING TO CELEBRATE! End of story. This team hasn't accomplished jack squat yet, and look foolish for behaving like they've won the Super Bowl, let alone a game - they can shut it down until then as far as I'm concerned as a fan - does it really add that much to the fan's experience. I'd much rather have the W thanks.

LarryCanadian

So those guys never celebrated until January of 1993 when they won their first Superbowl? BS.

Football is an emotional game. Always has been, always will be, and you won't win anything without it. It's not reality to ask these guys to just hand the ball to the ref like they're returning a library book.

 

[EPL0c0]

I think MIles may have gotten away with the leap if he'd just left the area afterwards...the ref right there didn't reach for his flag, but then you had the stupidly contrived handshake after the celebration right in the ref's face.

I'd have thrown it too at that point....we have some really stupid players, and I don't blame the coach for that.

the ref right there didn't reach for his flag

this fact was not lost on me either after I saw the highlights. Apparently he didn't find it so egregious an offense that he needed to toss his flag, he looked like was gonna just walk away from it, so it was somebody else on the field that had their flag up their...well they threw their flag.

 

[Nerm222]

links18, they did get a LOT of coaching on the celebration penalty this week apparently. They went over it on purpose. To me that is indicative of the problem. You have a limited amount of time to spend on getting better and instead of telling the players to celebrate after the game and work on things that actually involve playing football, they went over the rule again and yet still managed to get flagged on the NEXT TD.

Someone get's fired if I'm in charge, OR I dive on the sword on resign.

LarryCanadian

I dont know who you would fire except Austin. I do think he should be punished for that leap. A fine, laps, not starting next week...Something

 

[LarryCanadian]

I think I have seen every Emmitt Smith touchdown and 1st down. He was an emotional player, but he was driven, controlled, smart, and humble and not "excessive". Emotion is fine, but if undisciplined stupid stuff will happen.

I already said, I'm "Old School". The "helmet off" rule - compare that to Austin's leap over Roy today. Now think about what Emmitt accomplished and think about what Austin (I think Austin is a superb player) and the majority of this team has accomplished (I also think this is one of the most physically talented teams in Dallas in the 35 years I've been a fan). Now add in what the celebration of a TD did to this team last week and tell me that what Austin did this week was the right thing. It is an opinion. Mine is that I'd rather have the W and boring library book handoffs after the TD any day. Compare what Marion Barber does after getting a 1st down to what Emmitt did. Barber fighting for the first down and diving into the endzone, that inspires me as a fan and lifts his team and beats down his opponent. Watching him jump and have a seizure after a good run kind of embarrasses me (for his sake), seems to cost him energy, and probably just insprires the other team, and irks the refs.

Did players celebrate prior to 1993, yes. Would players do what happened the last 2 weeks under Jimmy Johnson, I highly doubt it. Under Parcells, probably not that type of penalty. I used to cringe when Deion highstepped for or against us. Deion also backed it up by WINNING. Entertaining in its way for sure. But would I rather have a smarter, sharper, mentally tougher team than a bunch of superb celebraters - yes I would.

Maybe the coaches can spend another hour or two asking the NFL head refs for further clarification and spend some extra film study on the celebration issue. That should really give us the hands up against the Giants. Sorry if I'm not used to my favourite team being the friggin laughing stock of sports because they pull sitcom type stupid acts out of their arses resulting in losses.

If and when we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, then perhaps we can bring up some players from the practice squad that show real endzone dancing promise. Real important way to play "PROFESSIONAL" football games. I sure hope my son's 2012 Madden game puts in some extra features where he can decide to celebrate in certain ways after scoring a TD - at the realistic risk of a 15 yard penalty - then see if whatever kicker on his roster can panic and kick it out of bounds next. That would be a cool feature.

Yeah, I'm being to harsh on the team. I mean it's not like the Superbowl is in Texas this year, or that it is hard to find anyone that feels this team actually has solid talent.

Hell if this team makes the playoffs I'll be mimicking their endzone celebrations in my living room. If they are basically mathematically eliminated by week 10, I think I'll stick with my original opinion that they had nothing to celebrate at either point we got the penalties - and that it was DUMB and costly. Anyone like to take a wager as to which is more likely?

All that being said, how can the Lambeau leap not be a penalty?

 

[ConstantReboot]

I don't care what Austin did. It was not excessive celebration. Its just another reason for a ref to throw their flag because we are the Cowboys. If another team did that no flag would have dropped. WE are special. WE get penalized for the smallest of infractions. Yet the other team has to draw blood against us in order to get a penalty.

After seeing what happened last week to Columbo getting penalized for tripping I have come to the conclusion that Cowboys can never win. They are always going to be penalized each and everytime they do something. Yet the other team will get away with it.

Something is absolutely wrong with the refs. Most teams get away with what we get penalized for. We need to bring this out into the open and let Jones take care of it. If players can't play football there shouldn't be any games since the refs predetermine who is going to win or lose.

 

[TwentyOne]

See guys my initial point wasn't that i am questioning the rule.

Rules can be bad or good. But in this case i was fine with the rule and how Mr. Carl Johnson explained it to me after the game. I can live with a crystal clear rule - hey i am even happy about the fact that a rule is as easy as he explained it. I think with black and white rules we will have better judged games.

Another thing is: This Mr. Johnson is not a Mr. Nobody. This explanation comes from someone who is NFL V.P. of Officiating. Here is the Video of his interview and the important quotes:

"The rule is pretty clear and explicit regarding celebration:" .... "However going to the ground as part of a celebration is pretty black and white. It's clear we were not alowed players to go to the ground as part of a celebration."

"When a player goes to the ground as part of the celebration we can't judge intent it's black and white it is a foul."

source: http://www.nfl.com/videos/dallas-cowboys/09000d5d81b4da09/Why-Cowboys-were-flagged-for-celebration


Now if someone read the rule if there is a exclusion of what he said regarding going to the ground because of praying then please post it. Right now i am going with someone who should know the rules exactly. And he tells me that there is no exception and i believe him. Simply because i think a V.P wouldn't show up in front of the TV without getting his facts straight before the interview. What i mean is: He for sure read the rules before the show.

So to me why is there even a conversation about Peterson praying or not? There should have been a flag. There wasn't one. It's clear the Refs made a mistake. And given the fact of last weeks big impact and conversations afterward regarding this rule the mistake was a big one.

So either the Ref should get fired or Mr. Carl Johnson explained some crystal clear BS on TV and lost all of his credibility. If Mr. Johnson explained the rule the wrong way it must be because

a) He has no clue
b) He has just the interesst to protect his Crew of officials and so has not the best interesst in judging a fair game.

And if it will show that b) is the right answer (which i am pretty sure of) then he should be taken to the headsman.

I am serious here: I really hope that Dallas (Jerry Jones) will have a letter to the NFL so they look at that thing again. It pisses me off and right now i feel pretty much punked. And the Cowboys should feel the same way too.

 

[ZeroClub]

Never have I seen a team celebrate so much about so little.

And yes, the officiating is rotten too.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Want to know why?
Check out this story! This is why we get the calls. It was reported that on this day, Tag told other owners that Jerry Jones would never win another SB. I still believe it is still in effect.

Peterson did not point to the sky! He was looking and pointing at the fans in the end zone. Not even close to praying.

But I still agree with those of you that said it was stupid to even come close to any action that would draw a penalty in the endzone.

LOL whats even more funny about that rule is that it states that if a player goes to his knees and uses his fingers like they were pistols than that's excessive celebration. That's because you planned on doing it.

 

[Cowboys2008]

All this and all that where celebrations are concerned, yet how in the heck do the Packers constantly get away with there blasted "Lambeau Leap"?

If you ask me, including the participation of fans in the stands is a great danger risk. And you're not only talking danger to the fan, but also danger to the player and danger to the league for lawsuits waiting to happen.

What happens when a helmet indirectly breaks someone's face? Or an ecstatic fan's finger goes in some players eye? Something is bound to happen sooner or later.

Yet two players, on the field, harmlessly playing around, costs penalties, games, money and massive media attention. And nobody is at risk of getting hurt.

Oh that's right though, this is the NFL, the zoo that allows people to "feed the animals". I forgot.

Bull****, the "Lambeau Leap", needs to be outlawed!!!!!! And above and before anything else pertaining to celebrations and the game of football.

IMO

 

[Avaj]

I didn't it was excessive. All Austin need was ball and rim to have a slam dunk...lol. That leap took me to NBA All star weekend. Very impressive athletic ability.

 

[CIWhitefish]

I don't care what Austin did. It was not excessive celebration. Its just another reason for a ref to throw their flag because we are the Cowboys. If another team did that no flag would have dropped. WE are special. WE get penalized for the smallest of infractions. Yet the other team has to draw blood against us in order to get a penalty.

After seeing what happened last week to Columbo getting penalized for tripping I have come to the conclusion that Cowboys can never win. They are always going to be penalized each and everytime they do something. Yet the other team will get away with it.

Something is absolutely wrong with the refs. Most teams get away with what we get penalized for. We need to bring this out into the open and let Jones take care of it. If players can't play football there shouldn't be any games since the refs predetermine who is going to win or lose.

I am normally not one who looks for excuses when the Cowboys lose but when it keeps happening and happening I start to wonder. Every week when I watch the other games I see all kinds of calls that I expect flags on after watching a Cowboys game. Yet none come. My son and I were watching the Colts game last night and he remarked on a PI non-call "how's that not a flag when they call it against Dallas?!." So I'm on board with this...something is not right. I don't know if it's aliens or the loch nech monster or karma, but we just seem destined to lose this year.

Now I'm going to still root for my team and hope we win somehow..but it's real hard to still think we are going anywhere this season when we know there are no staff changes coming and after every play I am looking for the flag.