FA Pass Rusher

[Bigtommyb]

this is why we cant think "pass rusher" we have to think "front 7"

if we get a good NT (in FA or draft and there are good ones available), then Rat moves to DE and we get an OLB

now we have pressure from both OLBs and the DE position
and the pocket collapses in the middle so running is difficult and the QB cant step up

this solves our problems in terms of stopping the run and rushing the passer but it makes too much sense for JJ to do this

we are still stuck in the "Rat does not want to move to DE"

Rat has been the NT for years and is wearing down, our defense wears down in december and at the end of games. that is why we cant close out games because there is little pressure up the middle, Rat gets blocked by one person and teams double ware, the QB stands back and picks us apart

well, maybe Rat should be asked to do what is best for the team, no?

crazy idea, i know

Whitney Mercilus from Illinois 1st round, 6'4 265,high motor college end as Ware was but has pass rushing skills and projected as a 3-4 OlB, look him up and do some homework, because i'm ok with a CB, OR OLB at 14. If he or Courtney Upshaw are not there i go CB. Check Mercelius out though!.

 

[rangers71]

..or maybe you could develop a mind of your own, and realize that every move that a football coach makes isn't the right one.

He may have been voted to the Pro Bowl, but that doesn't mean it was because of his play this season. Did you see us getting a big interior pass rush all year? Or did you see Rat getting pushed off the line and opposing QB's having a wide open pocket to step up in all year long?

Or maybe you could realize that most people consider him one of the best tackles in the league and be done with it. I could link multiple articles that would agree but won't since this is a losing argument. Also you could take the word of all of his coaches and defensive coordinators who have left him right where he is. Furthermore grasping a little knowledge of the 3-4 itself might help. His job is to occupy blockers and let the linbackers make plays in the running game. We finished 7th in the league in rushing defense by the way. Any pass rush he gives is just a bonus. That is something he does better than most as well.

 

[rangers71]

Yep no question Dallas front office and coaching staff know everything there is to know about personnel and football, the record and results prove it right?:laugh1:

I bet it would be safe to say they know more than an internet poster on a message board. If he is good enoough to play there for Parcells and Wade(who is a terrible head coach but a hell of a DC) then he is good enough for me.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Or maybe you could realize that most people consider him one of the best tackles in the league and be done with it. I could link multiple articles that would agree but won't since this is a losing argument. Also you could take the word of all of his coaches and defensive coordinators who have left him right where he is. Furthermore grasping a little knowledge of the 3-4 itself might help. His job is to occupy blockers and let the linbackers make plays in the running game. We finished 7th in the league in rushing defense by the way. Any pass rush he gives is just a bonus. That is something he does better than most as well.

So you saw us collapsing the pocket alot this year, then?

 

[rangers71]

So you saw us collapsing the pocket alot this year, then?

Glad to see you ignored what I wrote about his job in the 3-4 defense.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Glad to see you ignored what I wrote about his job in the 3-4 defense.

I asked a question and you never answered it. Part of his job in the passing game is also to try and push the LOS back a couple yards and try to get up in the QB's face. Our interior pass rush was non existent this year, and last year as well. We simply don't push the pocket at all, and everytime our pass rushers get around the edge, which Ware, Spencer, and Butler are all good at, all the QB has to do is take a step up into the wide open pocket he has to work with. Good teams don't allow that consistently like we do. Ratliff is a beast, but he simply isn't strong enough to take on 2 guys who outweigh him by a total of 60-80 lbs and win that battle with any kind of consistency.

 

[RS12]

I bet it would be safe to say they know more than an internet poster on a message board. If he is good enoough to play there for Parcells and Wade(who is a terrible head coach but a hell of a DC) then he is good enough for me.

I bet it is safe to say the average internet poster could put together a team that wins one play off game in 15 years, if nothing else by accident. Glad that is good enough for you.

 

[alsmith]

this is why we cant think "pass rusher" we have to think "front 7"

if we get a good NT (in FA or draft and there are good ones available), then Rat moves to DE and we get an OLB

now we have pressure from both OLBs and the DE position
and the pocket collapses in the middle so running is difficult and the QB cant step up

this solves our problems in terms of stopping the run and rushing the passer but it makes too much sense for JJ to do this

we are still stuck in the "Rat does not want to move to DE"

Rat has been the NT for years and is wearing down, our defense wears down in december and at the end of games. that is why we cant close out games because there is little pressure up the middle, Rat gets blocked by one person and teams double ware, the QB stands back and picks us apart

well, maybe Rat should be asked to do what is best for the team, no?

crazy idea, i know

For the last time Rat is NOT a DE, he is not fast enough to play DE, you do not move a pro bowl player because then you have two position to make one..

As for a big NT we ask the NT to rush the passer and get in the back field, a fat NT will not get presser in the middle, so he would really be worthless now would he, the 3-4 we play is a presser 3-4, I would prefer the 4-3 but it is what it is..

 

[rangers71]

I asked a question and you never answered it. Part of his job in the passing game is also to try and push the LOS back a couple yards and try to get up in the QB's face. Our interior pass rush was non existent this year, and last year as well. We simply don't push the pocket at all, and everytime our pass rushers get around the edge, which Ware, Spencer, and Butler are all good at, all the QB has to do is take a step up into the wide open pocket he has to work with. Good teams don't allow that consistently like we do. Ratliff is a beast, but he simply isn't strong enough to take on 2 guys who outweigh him by a total of 60-80 lbs and win that battle with any kind of consistency.

He rushes the passer fine. The problem with this team is nobody outside of him and Ware can do it. Spencer is useless and the inside linebackers with the exception of Lee are useless also. Ratliff is a great nose tackle for god sake. If they thought he would be better at end someone would have moved him by now.

 

[rangers71]

I bet it is safe to say the average internet poster could put together a team that wins one play off game in 15 years, if nothing else by accident. Glad that is good enough for you.

This doesn't even deserve a reponse it is so stupid.

 

[Crown Royal]

He rushes the passer fine. The problem with this team is nobody outside of him and Ware can do it. Spencer is useless and the inside linebackers with the exception of Lee are useless also. Ratliff is a great nose tackle for god sake. If they thought he would be better at end someone would have moved him by now.

This.

Complain about Ratliff all you want, but rather than play him in another position that he has never played at the pro level, I'd prefer to focus on improving the DEs who get a pass because they are "good at the run." They are also good at getting brick walled by a single OL on passing plays.

 

[Dcowboy84]

I'm engrossed with Calai Campbell. He's got the size that intimidates and makes it hard to throw over as well. Hatcher is there on the size as well. Give me Spears in a rotational role, and Lissimore to grow. Hopefully as well as Stephen Bowen did before him. That leaves a solid pair of Jay Ratliff and Brent at the nose. Brent is one, if he gets excited in the training room with the present status there, who could be all an opposing center wishes to deal with as well.

I'm thinking that one very strong addition woud be enough at the defensive line. Where I would flip the switch, as to an extreme addition, besides upgrading with Campbell, would simply be at outside linebacker. And get a young player to fill in shortly...as Carter and Lee start to dominate in the interior.

And Burma, I've appreciated your interests and participation this past week...:starspin

i think Brent is a guy who kind of fell under the radar as one of the 2nd year players who really would have benefited from the offseason strength and conditioning program this last year.

hopefully good things happen for him this offseason

 

[RoyTheHammer]

He rushes the passer fine. The problem with this team is nobody outside of him and Ware can do it. Spencer is useless and the inside linebackers with the exception of Lee are useless also. Ratliff is a great nose tackle for god sake. If they thought he would be better at end someone would have moved him by now.

So you honestly have no idea what you're seeing on the field, you just go with whatever the coaches think and assume we're doing well.. got it.

Spencer being useless is good comedy too, btw.

 

[Future]

If we had any kind of an interior push on the DL i bet Spencer could reach the 8-10 sacks a year range easy.

Agreed. I think he still needs to have a higher motor to do so as well, but he has the skills to be a 10 sack/year type guy.

 

[RS12]

This doesn't even deserve a reponse it is so stupid.

So is blind homerism.:laugh2:

 

[visionary]

For the last time Rat is NOT a DE, he is not fast enough to play DE, you do not move a pro bowl player because then you have two position to make one..

As for a big NT we ask the NT to rush the passer and get in the back field, a fat NT will not get presser in the middle, so he would really be worthless now would he, the 3-4 we play is a presser 3-4, I would prefer the 4-3 but it is what it is..

i would submit that Rat is more athletic than the majority of 3-4 DEs around the league

the issues has more been "Rat does not want to do it" than "Rat cant do it"

he wears down late in games and late in the season

in the giants game he was single blocked by the backup center for the giants

he is not playing like a probowl NT late in the season and late in games
this is why our defense folds and cant hold leads
this is part of why we have the 'december swoon'

the system we have in place is not working

one of the ways to fix a broken systen is to study similar systems that are working and ask oursolves "what are they doing that we are not?" and the glaring answer is that great 3-4 teams have a wide body at NT

players should do what is in the best interest of the team not what they want

that is part of the problem with this team that everyone is the second coming in their own minds and we coddle them and throw up our hands in frustration instead of doing what needs to be done.

We dont seem to have the capacity to learn from our mistakes. we keep doing the same thing and then wonder why its not working.

 

[InmanRoshi]

So the biggest problem addressing this team is pass rush, and people's solution is to draft a big fat tub of goo who can't rush the passer and stick him in the middle to replace Ratliff? To go along with all the other big fat slow stiffs and tubs of goo on this defensive front 7 who do everything but rush the passer?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

 

[rangers71]

So you honestly have no idea what you're seeing on the field, you just go with whatever the coaches think and assume we're doing well.. got it.

Spencer being useless is good comedy too, btw.

I would think that the 19 sacks he has in the last 3 seasons prove he can rush the passer. And if you think Spencer is good I suggest you watch the games a little closer.

 

[rangers71]

So is blind homerism.:laugh2:

Please show me where I said anything that makes me a homer?

 

[InmanRoshi]

Anyone want to come up with a nosetackle who has more sacks in the last 3 years than Ratliff? Anyone?