Face Mask Penalty

[BourbonBalz]

I've got a question regarding he face mask penalty on the blocked field goal. The reason the skins got another play after the game was over was because, by rule, a game cannot end on a defensive penalty. When we attempted the field goal, we were obviously on offense. Does the fact that the kick was block automatically make us the defensive team on the field? It's still part of the same play and we were on offense at the beginning of the play. Can a team change from offense to defense during the same play? Same thing could be said of a fumble or an interception. The offense is still on the field during the play. If not, then the skins should not have been allowed another play since time had expired.

 

[Future]

shouldve only been a 5 yarder anyways

 

[Kevin]

I believe that since Taylor obviously had possession of the ball, he became a returner. On returns, the returning team is considered the offensive team.

 

[Hostile]

A game can't end on a penalty if the result is in doubt. It usually occurs with the offense and defense, not special teams. It really doesn't matter which.

 

[BourbonBalz]

You are wrong. A game cannot end on a defensively penalty, but it can on an offensive penalty. That's why I was asking about who would be considered offense/defense.

 

[iceberg]

I've got a question regarding he face mask penalty on the blocked field goal. The reason the skins got another play after the game was over was because, by rule, a game cannot end on a defensive penalty. When we attempted the field goal, we were obviously on offense. Does the fact that the kick was block automatically make us the defensive team on the field? It's still part of the same play and we were on offense at the beginning of the play. Can a team change from offense to defense during the same play? Same thing could be said of a fumble or an interception. The offense is still on the field during the play. If not, then the skins should not have been allowed another play since time had expired.

and mr fantastic reeeeaaaaaches for another one.

TO shoulda caught the ball.
the OL should be blocking better so kicks are not slapped down
the entire team should run laps for all the penalties they've been collecting in recent weeks. STUPID ones.
we shouldn't go for 2 so early on - blame parcells for that one

when the cowboys play as a team things will get better. i just hate it when fans look for rules loopholes to excuse a loss when the loss belongs to the team regardless due to their own performance.

 

[Hostile]

You are wrong. A game cannot end on a defensively penalty, but it can on an offensive penalty. That's why I was asking about who would be considered offense/defense.

No, I'm not wrong. It cannot end on a penalty when the game result is in doubt.

 

[BourbonBalz]

No, I'm not wrong. It cannot end on a penalty when the game result is in doubt.

Yes, you are wrong. Just what does that mean, "whey the game result is in doubt"? If an offensive team throws a TD to win a game as time expires, but they're flagged for holding, the game is over. Period. The game was in doubt, but it can end on an offensive penalty. Same thing would apply here.

 

[Hostile]

Yes, you are wrong. Just what does that mean, "whey the game result is in doubt"? If an offensive team throws a TD to win a game as time expires, but they're flagged for holding, the game is over. Period. The game was in doubt, but it can end on an offensive penalty. Same thing would apply here.

It means that the end result or final score was not determined. If a team chooses to accept a penalty on the last play of the game then the final result is still in doubt.

I'm not wrong, look it up.

 

[BourbonBalz]

By the way Iceberg, I'm not reaching for anything and have no idea what you're talking about regarding "reaching again". I'm wondering about a rule interpretation. First off, yes we played like crap and didn't deserve to win. However, the penalty on the field cost us the game was was very questionable as far as 15 v. 5 yards. I'm just wondering if the penalty was within the rules to begin with. I believe it was but was just wondering about it.

 

[iceberg]

By the way Iceberg, I'm not reaching for anything and have no idea what you're talking about regarding "reaching again". I'm wondering about a rule interpretation. First off, yes we played like crap and didn't deserve to win. However, the penalty on the field cost us the game was was very questionable as far as 15 v. 5 yards. I'm just wondering if the penalty was within the rules to begin with. I believe it was but was just wondering about it.

coming across as being bitter and blaming the loss on a rules loophole.

we're not the skins and i hope we never get to the point where we're challenging them for the title of "whinest loser".

 

[BourbonBalz]

It means that the end result or final score was not determined. If a team chooses to accept a penalty on the last play of the game then the final result is still in doubt.

I'm not wrong, look it up.

Yes, you are because I've seen it before. Let me make it simple for you. As I previously posted, let's say Dallas was behind the Skins by 5 with :03 remaining in a game. Romo completes a pass to Owens for a TD as time expires. But, Dallas is flagged for holding. Washington accepts the penalty and the game is over. No time is put back on the clock, Dallas does not get another attempt from 10 yards back. I know this is correct because I've seen games end this way. You look it up.

Now, if the same scenario happened, but a Dallas offensive lineman was flagged for jumping early (imagine that!!!), then Dallas would get another attempt because no time would have ran off the clock. The play was deemed blown dead since the infraction took place before the clock started.

Again, I know these scenarios are correct because I've seen them before. Games can end on an offensive penalty.

 

[Wezsh0T]

Actually...I had the same question as Star4Ever...

I also wonder about the interpretation of the rule...

 

[BourbonBalz]

coming across as being bitter and blaming the loss on a rules loophole.

we're not the skins and i hope we never get to the point where we're challenging them for the title of "whinest loser".

I'm not coming across as bitter about anything. Look at some of my posts on this board and you'll see I place plenty of blame on the Boy's execution, or lack thereof. Read this real slow and maybe you'll get it. I AM JUST WONDERING IF THE OFFICIALS GOT IT RIGHT!!!!!! It doesn't really matter because nothing would be reversed even if they had made a mistake. If you don't like it, don't read it.

 

[iceberg]

I'm not coming across as bitter about anything. Look at some of my posts on this board and you'll see I place plenty of blame on the Boy's execution, or lack thereof. Read this real slow and maybe you'll get it. I AM JUST WONDERING IF THE OFFICIALS GOT IT RIGHT!!!!!! It doesn't really matter because nothing would be reversed even if they had made a mistake. If you don't like it, don't read it.

and how would you propose i'd know if i liked it if i didn't read it?

interesting concept.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Here's the rule from the NFL site.

Digest of Rules

Foul on Last Play of Half or Game


1. On a foul by defense on last play of half or game, the down is replayed if penalty is accepted.
2. On a foul by the offense on last play of half or game, the down is not replayed and the play in which the foul is committed is nullified.
Exception: Fair catch interference, foul following change of possession, illegal touching. No score by offense counts.
Look it up? Yea, I did and I'm right.

You want the link? Here it is.
http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/foulonlastplay

 

[Hostile]

Here's the rule from the NFL site.

Digest of Rules

Foul on Last Play of Half or Game


1. On a foul by defense on last play of half or game, the down is replayed if penalty is accepted.
2. On a foul by the offense on last play of half or game, the down is not replayed and the play in which the foul is committed is nullified.
Exception: Fair catch interference, foul following change of possession, illegal touching. No score by offense counts.
Look it up? Yea, I did and I'm right.

You want the link? Here it is.
http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/foulonlastplay

Team with possession the ball is defined as the offense. Team without possession of the ball is defined as the defense. That is why you hear them say "Manning becomes a defnder and makes the tackle."

A foul following a change of possession.

There is no loophole. You will not hear about it all week or a petition to the league. It isn't going to happen. The refs didn't screw us.

 

[Future]

foul following change of possession

thats pretty interesting actually

 

[BourbonBalz]

I wasn't saying the refs did screw us by making the call (except for the 15 v. 5 penalty). I was just asking about it because I wasn't sure considering the circumstances surrounding the blocked field goal. What I was arguing with you about is the fact you said a game can't end on an offensive penalty and you are wrong, per the NFL rule book. That's all.

 

[Hostile]

I wasn't saying the refs did screw us by making the call (except for the 15 v. 5 penalty). I was just asking about it because I wasn't sure considering the circumstances surrounding the blocked field goal. What I was arguing with you about is the fact you said a game can't end on an offensive penalty and you are wrong, per the NFL rule book. That's all.

I repeat, when the final game result is still in doubt.

Read the part I put in bold red. It is an exception. It doesn't matter whether the refs define us as offense, defense, or special teams at that point in time. it is a change of possession with a foul attached.

In other words, it left the final result in doubt.