Face Mask Penalty

[Way 'nuff]

The point being he didnt try and tackle him by his helmet and he didnt twist it or do anything else that warranted a personal foul he made a mistake contacting the face mask but he didnt committ a personal foul.

Show me a player who intentionally contacts the face mask. I'm sure they're just lined up waiting to penalize their team 15 yards.

 

[E-Dog Night]

Isn't there a 10 second runoff on the clock on an offensive penalty, so the game can end on an offensive penalty?

Yes. That's to ensure that the offense can't purposely commit a penalty in order to stop the clock and give themselves another play.

 

[MikMak]

The point being he didnt try and tackle him by his helmet and he didnt twist it or do anything else that warranted a personal foul he made a mistake contacting the face mask but he didnt committ a personal foul.

It doesn't matter. You don't have to intend to tackle someone by the helmet for it to be a 15 yarder. If someone is moving fast than the risk to neck injury is greater. Grabbing a guys face mask when they are going full speed is a very dangerous thing.


It doesn't matter if he planned on tackling Taylor by the helmet or not. That has nothing to do with the rule.

 

[Doomsday]

Show me a player who intentionally contacts the face mask. I'm sure they're just lined up waiting to penalize their team 15 yards.

Ive said it twice it wasnt a PERSONAL FOUL it was a face mask nothing more.

 

[Stautner]

I don't think Taylor's head jerked around - his head barely moved and he didn't slow down one iota despite running full speed when the facemask occured - an obvious sign that Kosier didn't have a full grasp of the face mask.

Nevertheless, there are always going to be questionable calls in games, and some will go for and some against you. The bottom line is that we never should have been in that situation to begin with. The play on the field has to be sufficient to prevent a single questionable call from determining the outcome - especially when attempting a 35 yard FG with 7 seconds on the clock.

 

[MikMak]

Ive said it twice it wasnt a PERSONAL FOUL it was a face mask nothing more.

Well you've said it twice but you haven't backed it up with anything. You don't understand the rule.

 

[E-Dog Night]

I don't think Taylor's head jerked around - his head barely moved and he didn't slow down one iota despite running full speed when the facemask occured

That's due to awesomeness by Taylor.

 

[Way 'nuff]

Wait, I got it...

Taylor felt the guys fingers on his facemask and in a split second thought "Hey, if I whip my head around, I bet I can get an extra 15 yards out of this!"

So the Dallas player never actually pulled on the facemask, Taylor himself just made it look that way. Brilliant!

 

[Doomsday]

The rule for a 15 yard penalty reads "Twisting, turning, or pulling an opponent by the facemask." that is not what happened he grabbed and released the facemask immediately which is the exact definition of a 5 yard facemask penalty.

Nevertheless, there are always going to be questionable calls in games, and some will go for and some against you. The bottom line is that we never should have been in that situation to begin with. The play on the field has to be sufficient to prevent a single questionable call from determining the outcome - especially when attempting a 35 yard FG with 7 seconds on the clock.

True enough but the refs have to be smarter then that when there is NO time left on the clock and they are determining the outcome of a game.

 

[Way 'nuff]

The rule for a 15 yard penalty reads "Twisting, turning, or pulling an opponent by the facemask." that is not what happened he grabbed and released the facemask immediately which is the exact definition of a 5 yard facemask penalty.

Oh, ok.

So his head twisted and turned by itself. Got it.

 

[KC10Sooner]

The funny thing in all of this is that Kosier made a mistake and it should have been penalized as such...unintentional. We would have been better off if he had just pulled him down by the facemask and taken the 15 yarder from that point. What was he on the Commanders 30?

I think most of us would agree as football fans that normally that is a 5 yard penalty. It just sucks that the refs took that time to make a statement. I guess it made for great television.

In addition the facemask penalty against Davis earlier in the game was ridiculous as well. he never even touched the facemask....

 

[MikMak]

The rule for a 15 yard penalty reads "Twisting, turning, or pulling an opponent by the facemask." that is not what happened he grabbed and released the facemask immediately which is the exact definition of a 5 yard facemask penalty.



True enough but the refs have to be smarter then that when there is NO time left on the clock and they are determining the outcome of a game.

Who should we believe your or our lying eyes?


Look a couple of posts above. Taylor's head clearly is twisted totally to the side.


You could say "well his head twisted because he was running" that would be true but it's still a 15 yarder. That's why you don't grab someone's face mask when they are running full speed. The players body creates the inertia and it's very dangerous.


The whole things ridiculous because you're not supposed to grab someone's face mask period.

 

[Doomsday]

The rule doesnt say turning his head that happens on every facemask it reads twisting, turning or pulling THE FACEMASK. None of those 3 things occured to his facemask.

 

[Faerluna]

Even the sports writers know that was a bs call.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/11/05/snap.judgments/index.html?cnn=yes

• Could someone please explain to me why the face-mask penalty called on Dallas guard Kyle Kosier on Sean Taylor's return of a blocked field goal was a 15-yarder rather than the less-flagrant five-yard variety? Kosier only had Taylor's face mask for a split second, and quickly let go before it reached the usual standard for a 15-yard penalty. Those extra 10 yards made all the difference on Nick Novak's subsequent game-winning 47-yard field goal for the Commanders.

 

[MikMak]

The rule doesnt say turning his head that happens on every facemask it reads twisting, turning or pulling THE FACEMASK. None of those 3 things occured to his facemask.

turning someone's head doesn't happen on every face mask. As well, most face masks are 15 yarders.

Why? because it's dangerous.


Give up already. You're team got beat. Take it like a man.

 

[Way 'nuff]

The rule doesnt say turning his head that happens on every facemask it reads twisting, turning or pulling THE FACEMASK. None of those 3 things occured to his facemask.

O rly?


http://Commanders.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/LMEKNHBAACDL/72412879PG.jpg

Looking dead ahead. His head is clearly aligned with the rest of his body. No twisting or turning occurring here.

 

[Doomsday]

O rly?


http://Commanders.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/LMEKNHBAACDL/72412879PG.jpg

Looking dead ahead. His head is clearly aligned with the rest of his body. No twisting or turning occurring here.

TWISTING THE FACE MASK you can clearly see the face mask is not being twisted. That is if you know what that word means.

 

[MikMak]

The rule doesnt say turning his head that happens on every facemask it reads twisting, turning or pulling THE FACEMASK. None of those 3 things occured to his facemask.

turning someone's head doesn't happen on every face mask. As well, most face masks are 15 yarders.

Why? because it's dangerous.

And if Taylor's head turned how is that not "turning the face mask"

Give up already. You're team got beat. Take it like a man.

 

[Doomsday]

You need to get over it that is not a personal foul, regardless of the outcome Dallas should of won that game long before the 4th quarter ever started. Its one of many horrible calls that happen every week but by no means am I blaming the refs for the loss. That is the way it goes in the NFL these days, even teams as pathetic as the Commanders can get lucky and pull out a miracle if you let them hang around long enough.

 

[MikMak]

TWISTING THE FACE MASK you can clearly see the face mask is not being twisted. That is if you know what that word means.

Oh,, I see you mean he didn't physically twist the face mask into some bent shaped form...


gimme a break.