Face Mask Penalty

[Hostile]

Actually Hostile, this ruling had nothing to do with "game still in doubt". I guess you can look at it that way because the game was tied, but the ruling was due to the penalty being on the defense (Dallas). Obviously if the Skins were ahead at that point, they would not have run another play. Again, I think we're just arguing semantics.

You can take my word for it, the rule is in place to fix a game in doubt. That is why they created the rule in the first place. I'm not wrong on this. Every rule has to have a purpose. That is the purpose of this rule. There is no such thing as a rule with no purpose to it.

 

[Doomsday]

Because there is a stated exception for change of possession and in this case a tie game.

If the defense was ahead and they got the ball, they'd fall on it. Game over.

Since it was a tie it meant they had a right to result of the penalty and an attempt to win the game themselves. Which they did.

Hence, the "game result still in doubt."

There is a lot to be bitter about in regards to the Cowboys lately.

Its seems obvious that once the ball is turned over the offense becomes the defense, offense and defense is determined by possession. Hence the game cant end on a defensive penalty.

 

[BourbonBalz]

My final post on this. :

I agree with you, it's just the "game in doubt" thing I disagree with under certain circumstances. In the same scenario I used previously, let's say two teams are tied. The team on offense throws a TD as time expires, but they're whistled for holding. The game is in doubt at that point, but the offense does not get to run another play. If this is the end of the first half, then the teams obviously go to the second half. If it's the end of the game, they go to sudden death. If it's the end of OT, it's a tie. Bottom line, a game can end on an offensive penalty, even if the game is in doubt.

If the team with the ball is behind by a few points, scores a TD as time expires and is whistled for holding. Game over. Again, I think we're just arguing over wording, but we're coming to the same conclusions.

 

[Hostile]

My final post on this. :

I agree with you, it's just the "game in doubt" thing I disagree with under certain circumstances. In the same scenario I used previously, let's say two teams are tied. The team on offense throws a TD as time expires, but they're whistled for holding. The game is in doubt at that point, but the offense does not get to run another play. If this is the end of the first half, then the teams obviously go to the second half. If it's the end of the game, they go to sudden death. If it's the end of OT, it's a tie. Bottom line, a game can end on an offensive penalty, even if the game is in doubt.

If the team with the ball is behind by a few points, scores a TD as time expires and is whistled for holding. Game over. Again, I think we're just arguing over wording, but we're coming to the same conclusions.

Write the NFL Competition committee and ask them why the rule is in place. I guarantee you, that is exactly what they will tell you.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I did not feel it was flagrant....but, it was a judgement call.

 

[joseephuss]

I did not feel it was flagrant....but, it was a judgement call.

I think it will get called flagrant any time the head jerks around and Taylor's head did do just that. It was a tough break for Dallas on the return by Taylor. Witten seemed like the only one even trying to make a tackle and his hand ended up on the face mask.

 

[Hostile]

I think it will get called flagrant any time the head jerks around and Taylor's head did do just that. It was a tough break for Dallas on the return by Taylor. Witten seemed like the only one even trying to make a tackle and his hand ended up on the face mask.

Kosier, #63, got the face mask.

 

[MikMak]

You are wrong. A game cannot end on a defensively penalty, but it can on an offensive penalty. That's why I was asking about who would be considered offense/defense.

Sean Taylor is running the ball and trying to score a touchdown and the Cowboys are trying to tackle him and prevent him from doing that.

I think the answer is pretty self explanatory

 

[MikMak]

I think it will get called flagrant any time the head jerks around and Taylor's head did do just that. It was a tough break for Dallas on the return by Taylor. Witten seemed like the only one even trying to make a tackle and his hand ended up on the face mask.

Yeah, instead of getting mad about the refs calling it a 15 yarder as opposed to a 5 yarder fans should get mad about the face mask to begin with.

Bottom line is he committed a face mask penalty and those ussually result in 15 yards. Especially when someone's head turns around.

 

[Wheat]

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Jeez, in a split second with the head turning, even if the grab was half of what it was. That probably would have gotten a 15 yards. Look at his freakin' helmet. I'm more shocked that wasn't a tackle.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

My only question is:: How much did Daniel Synder pay the officials to refferee this game? Because I seen alot of fluke calls........Sad thing is Commanders can't never win on their own.

Notice in yesterday game they had the former Commisioner in the NFL up there in the both for good luck.

 

[MikMak]

My only question is:: How much did Daniel Synder pay the officials to refferee this game? Because I seen alot of fluke calls........Sad thing is Commanders can't never win on their own.

Notice in yesterday game they had the former Commisioner in the NFL up there in the both for good luck.

wah wah wah.


I'm a Commanders fan and despise the Cowboys. But in defense of Cowboy fans I'm sure you are the exception and not the rule.

I find in general Cowboy fans to be fairly knowledgable and not sore losers like yourself.

 

[E-Dog Night]

shouldve only been a 5 yarder anyways

Well, since were quoting the rules...

A 15-yard face mask penalty is described in the NFL rulebook as an action where a player is "Twisting, turning, or pulling an opponent by the facemask."

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That's pretty clear evidence above that the refs got the call right. It did happen very fast, and at full speed it does look like a 5-yarder. But clearly, Taylor's head is being twisted and turned during this attempted tackle.

 

[Way 'nuff]

Well, since were quoting the rules...

A 15-yard face mask penalty is described in the NFL rulebook as an action where a player is "Twisting, turning, or pulling an opponent by the facemask."

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That's pretty clear evidence above that the refs got the call right. It did happen very fast, and at full speed it does look like a 5-yarder. But clearly, Taylor's head is being twisted and turned during this attempted tackle.

But they're Cowboy fans, they'll never admit to it.

 

[Doomsday]

He was running full speed in the opposite direction any contact to the face mask is going to make his head turn, give me a break. That was a horrible call.

 

[MikMak]

He was running full speed in the opposite direction any contact to the face mask is going to make his head turn, give me a break. That was a horrible call.

ummm, listen to how ridiculous you sound right there.


You're player had a face mask penalty and you're blaming it on the refs for calling it a 15 yarder instead of a 5 yarder.


Shouldn't you be complaining about a Dallas player grabbing Taylor's face mask instead?

And yes, any time you grab someone's face mask when they are going full speed will probably make their head turn. That's why it's almost alwasy a 15 yard penalty. Weird....


Maybe that's a key that you shouldn't grab someone's face mask in the open field when they are running full speed.


Nahh, better to do it and than blame the refs for costing you the game.....

 

[Way 'nuff]

But they're Cowboy fans, they'll never admit to it.

He was running full speed in the opposite direction any contact to the face mask is going to make his head turn, give me a break. That was a horrible call.

See what I mean?

Most facemask penalties occur when someone is running full speed, if not moving pretty fast. Doesn't matter.

 

[Doomsday]

The point being he didnt try and tackle him by his helmet and he didnt twist it or do anything else that warranted a personal foul he made a mistake contacting the face mask but he didnt committ a personal foul.

 

[Stautner]

It means that the end result or final score was not determined. If a team chooses to accept a penalty on the last play of the game then the final result is still in doubt.

I'm not wrong, look it up.

Isn't there a 10 second runoff on the clock on an offensive penalty, so the game can end on an offensive penalty?

 

[E-Dog Night]

He was running full speed in the opposite direction any contact to the face mask is going to make his head turn, give me a break. That was a horrible call.

I looked in the NFL rule book and it didn't say anything about "unless the opponent is running full speed in the opposite direction".