Factual look at this offense and at Dak

[Hennessy_King]

Hennessy_King one of the only dudes on CZ that be making sense lol you Dak haters are funny and won't give this man time to grow... Every QB misses open targets! the scheme is dated it even hurt Romo *no pun intended*

I'm just trying to talk ppl off the ledge lol.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

This team is built around the o line and Zeke. Packers are built around rodgers arm. 2 different schemes with different identities, scheme, and personnel. No has the talent rodgers has tho

And part of that talent you see in Rodgers is elevating the play of his recievers, making the right reads, accurate throws, et cetera.

So when you try to appeal to some base level similarity like "all QBs miss some throws" it's meaningless in light of what a QB Rodgers is to Dak.

BTW, if this team was reliant on Dak's arm we'd be in serious trouble. He's a game manager not one of the elites.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Thank you for the great info.....but let's face it Dak haters will simply ignore this.

 

[Northern_Cowboy]

What the 8 men in the box stat doesn't account for is that we almost alway run on 1st down, and that is probably when they are stacking the box against us then putting us in a 2nd and 7-9 when they no longer need to stack it and the D's then drops more men into coverage because that is when we pass. No team right now is really afraid of Dak beating them with his arm (his legs yes but not his arm) Their goal is to get us in 2nd and long and go from there, the fact we almost always run on 1st down makes it easier for oppossing teams to know when to stack the box


We are 30th in the league right now in coverting 3rd downs, want to know why? Because we are always in 3rd and long and when we are not teams can stack the box then to also stop our run game

 

[Oh_Canada]

And part of that talent you see in Rodgers is elevating the play of his recievers, making the right reads, accurate throws, et cetera.

So when you try to appeal to some base level similarity like "all QBs miss some throws" it's meaningless in light of what a QB Rodgers is to Dak.

BTW, if this team was reliant on Dak's arm we'd be in serious trouble. He's a game manager not one of the elites.

Davante Adams second rd pick
Randall Cobb-second rd pick
Lance Kendricks-second rd pick
Valdes-Scantling-fifth rd pick
Jimmy Graham-third rd pick
Geronimo Allison-undrafted

Dallas before Amari

Bease-undrafted
Hurns-undrafted
Thompson-undrafted
Austin-first rd pick
Swaim-seventh rd pick
Gallup-third rd pick

No one is disputing Rodgers talent, he is the best QB in the world......but let's not pretend Dak has been working with mega talents while Aaron plays with scrubs.

 

[InTheZone]

No your just blaming dak for it all.

when I consider him the biggest problem on offense then he's going to get the most blame, not hard to understand.

 

[Hennessy_King]

when I consider him the biggest problem on offense then he's going to get the most blame, not hard to understand.

When it's obviously been the O line consistency. It makes it not so true. Dak has been a problem but definitely not the biggest problem. O line and Wr have been eye sores

 

[InTheZone]

When it's obviously been the O line consistency. It makes it not so true. Dak has been a problem but definitely not the biggest problem. O line and Wr have been eye sores

and the revolving door of arguments is me saying this:
-Dak is missing our bum receivers getting open, no better WR is going to fix the ball coming out
-The OLine is looking worse than they are because Dak would rather run around for seconds, take a sack and fumble rather than throw to 3 of 5 open targets. I see nothing by Dak presnap that tells me he's reading a defense even at an average rate. He's not able to move around in a pocket when only one defender gets by, doing things at a poor level makes everyone around you worse. It's why our run game struggles, it's why our pass game struggles, it's why we can'g beat teams needing only 17 points. Our line is not 35% worse than Romo's worst line in 2011 in terms of sack rate (Rookie T.Smith, Holland, Costa, Kosier, Free).

Do me a favor, next time you want to blame the OL for any part of the offense struggling just rewind the play, see what you see on defense and what Dak does presnap, then watch where Dak looks during the play. If he decides to run look to see if he actually keeps his eyes up field. Again, the line is going to get beat every now and then, that's not uncommon for any line. Just watch what Dak does and don't look at anyone else during the replays. What do you say about the team grabbing WR instead of OL? They want to put blame elsewhere, but I'm being told the WR and OL sucks so bad that's why Dak is struggling. I'm not blaming everyone else every single time.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Davante Adams second rd pick
Randall Cobb-second rd pick
Lance Kendricks-second rd pick
Valdes-Scantling-fifth rd pick
Jimmy Graham-third rd pick
Geronimo Allison-undrafted

Dallas before Amari

Bease-undrafted
Hurns-undrafted
Thompson-undrafted
Austin-first rd pick
Swaim-seventh rd pick
Gallup-third rd pick

No one is disputing Rodgers talent, he is the best QB in the world......but let's not pretend Dak has been working with mega talents while Aaron plays with scrubs.

Funny, you left off Dez Bryant and Terrance Williams.

 

[Hennessy_King]

and the revolving door of arguments is me saying this:
-Dak is missing our bum receivers getting open, no better WR is going to fix the ball coming out
-The OLine is looking worse than they are because Dak would rather run around for seconds, take a sack and fumble rather than throw to 3 of 5 open targets. I see nothing by Dak presnap that tells me he's reading a defense even at an average rate. He's not able to move around in a pocket when only one defender gets by, doing things at a poor level makes everyone around you worse. It's why our run game struggles, it's why our pass game struggles, it's why we can'g beat teams needing only 17 points. Our line is not 35% worse than Romo's worst line in 2011 in terms of sack rate (Rookie T.Smith, Holland, Costa, Kosier, Free).

Do me a favor, next time you want to blame the OL for any part of the offense struggling just rewind the play, see what you see on defense and what Dak does presnap, then watch where Dak looks during the play. If he decides to run look to see if he actually keeps his eyes up field. Again, the line is going to get beat every now and then, that's not uncommon for any line. Just watch what Dak does and don't look at anyone else during the replays. What do you say about the team grabbing WR instead of OL? They want to put blame elsewhere, but I'm being told the WR and OL sucks so bad that's why Dak is struggling. I'm not blaming everyone else every single time.

When your o line singlehandedly wipes out 3 3rd down conversions and gets dominated in the run and pass. It's pretty obvious. Every QB misses a couple guys a game. But then on the last drive dak hits beasley on a beautiful throw way before beasley breaks on his route due to pressure. Granted could he play better of course. But the reality is this O line is severely underperforming and we have the worst wr group in the league. Both of those things are fact.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Funny, you left off Dez Bryant and Terrance Williams.

Dez isn't here and t will is on IR?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Dez isn't here and t will is on IR?

The point is he's had talent around him.

Are we also going to act like guys like Lance Kendrick are some kind of difference makers or that Beasley isn't one of the game's best slot players because he was undrafted?

 

[Hennessy_King]

The point is he's had talent around him.

Are we also going to act like guys like Lance Kendrick are some kind of difference makers or that Beasley isn't one of the game's best slot players because he was undrafted?

Didn't we have 2 consecutive winning seasons with Dak at QB?

 

[CowboyRoy]

when I consider him the biggest problem on offense then he's going to get the most blame, not hard to understand.

Hes clearly NOT the biggest problem. The Oline, without a doubt is far and away the biggest problem. We have already seen what Dak can do when the line plays well. Seen it now for 2.5 years. Even the great Zeke cant do diddly when the Oline plays poorly.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Didn't we have 2 consecutive winning seasons with Dak at QB?

So then you were happy with the talent around him. You can't have it both ways.

 

[tm1119]

Facts of Daks last 23 games:
4,730 yards
30 passing TD’s
17 Ints
3 fumbles
6.85 yards per attempt
205 passing yards per game
87 QB rating
Team record- 12-11

It’s literally craziness to ignore that sample size compared to his 16 games in 2016. Purposeful denial.

If you have hope he can get better, that’s 1 thing, but stop with the excuses. Dak flat out has to be better or we are all in bad shape.

 

[InTheZone]

Hes clearly NOT the biggest problem. The Oline, without a doubt is far and away the biggest problem. We have already seen what Dak can do when the line plays well. Seen it now for 2.5 years. Even the great Zeke cant do diddly when the Oline plays poorly.

that is your opinion, I've already stated mine. See the Jags situation, we have the same situation. Except their team already benched their QB...

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Stats have a cool way of not caring about your feelings.

They can obviously be used to form arguments that go well beyond what they actually state but that's an issue with the presenter, not the stat.

As of this BYE week we've been told by at least half of cowboyszone Dak is simply a bad QB.

Stats suggest there are lots of myth's about this offense:

1st. DAL faces more 8 in box than anyone.


Ummm, nope. They actually don't. Less than 25% of the time is Zeke running into 8+ man boxes.

2nd. DAL has a dominant OL.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...rboard-pass-block-win-rate-pass-rush-win-rate

Ummm, nope. Only Zack Martin rates top 10 at his position and as a group they are outside the top 10 in pass block win% as well as the Football Outsiders overall OL score.
This is a middle of the pack OL with lots of upside. CWill is improving and Fredbeard should be back next year. But they are the highest paid group in football history and this is not a dominant OL right now. Ol Coach should be on notice though it isn't his fault Travis has to miss the season or that we have a rookie LG.
Tyron and La'el are on him IMHO.

3rd: Dak is awful and we are losing because of him.


Dak's last 4 games performance has been graded in the top 10 at QB by passer rating yet team is only 2-2.

4th: WR is NOT a problem


DAL WRs are last in the NFL in yards of separation. That's an issue. Swain and Beasley are solid, everyone else falls off a cliff.
And while there's not stat for this the entire non-Beasley WR corps is from the TWill school of catching a football with your chest.
Amari Cooper is a possible answer and you can see why they BOLDLY traded for him. This team has done seemingly zero things bold since Stephen took over.

So Dak is the best?
Absolutely not.
He's a prototypical young QB. He's not getting to 3rd or 4th reads regularly and his pre-snap stuff is worth questioning. He is not good at all when pressure is near his feet. His footwork falls apart and his passing accuracy suffer big-time.
So what then he sucks right?
No. These are common issues especially with younger QBs.
You give him a chance to win if you are better along the OL and at WR.

Worth noting:
Tony Romo was really good.


But Dak actually rates even higher in TD/INT ratio.
He'd come in at 2.52 which would be good for 4th on this list all-time....

It is going to be interesting to review this ta the end of the year.
I wonder how many people will ignore better OL and WR play and simply credit Dak if his numbers improve?

Hmmmm love them stats baby....like....

Dak has never thrown 4 TD in any game in his career.
Dak has started in 37 games and has 17 under 200 yards.
Dak has only thrown for over 300 yards 6 times.
Dak is rated bottom five in the NFL in passing yards.

Eat those and then post another fancy Stats smorgasbord post.....

P.S. Now lets not get into reality of the issue like he has zero accuracy and his panic pocket attacks....lol...

And one more item here....STOP using the word Hate you Dak supporters really hits the bottom of the barrel and tries to excuse his inept play to a world that doesn't belong here!

 

[Old-Angry-Cowboy-Fan]

Stats have a cool way of not caring about your feelings.

So Dak is the best?
Absolutely not.
He's a prototypical young QB. He's not getting to 3rd or 4th reads regularly and his pre-snap stuff is worth questioning. He is not good at all when pressure is near his feet. His footwork falls apart and his passing accuracy suffer big-time.

Go to Football Reference and compare Dak to his contemporaries, Wentz and Goff. You'll be surprised. Dak better win % than both, Dak more yards than Goff, Dak better QB rating than Wentz, Dak kills them both with almost 1,000 yards rushing in 2.5 years. All around the same numbers. Dak's been to a pro bowl, played lights out in his only playoff game.

It's not him. Mixture of no WRs, patchwork line w no Fred and terrible play calling.

Dak doesn't pass the eye test sometimes because of his footwork, but we can win with him.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Hes clearly NOT the biggest problem. The Oline, without a doubt is far and away the biggest problem. We have already seen what Dak can do when the line plays well. Seen it now for 2.5 years. Even the great Zeke cant do diddly when the Oline plays poorly.

Let's go common now say it Loud..........DAK Prescott is PROBLEM # 1 for our Cowboys......once he's gone we will be on the right track to glory....!!!