Falcons’ Grady Jarrett: Packers get away with holding, struggle when game is fair

[Boyzmamacita]

So the issue is with the refs, not the players?

Where have you been?

 

[Boyzmamacita]

I've honed my NFL knowledge over several years sitting on my couch and watching TV, I stand by my statement.

 

[sbark]

From @speedkilz88

any idea of what point in game these occured, even down / distance and result of drive would be great. thanks either way.

 

[Everson24]

Not for nothing, but the Cowboys' DBs have gotten away with at least one hold every game this year and got away with a couple against GB.

Scandrick has made a career out of knowing how to hold.

Our DBs hold and grab at the worst possible times. At least Seattle hides it well. We grab even when we have perfect technique and that drives me crazy.

 

[Everson24]

If it were fairly called we would not have been down 21 3....we got hosed by that stupid bogus huddle call on our 2nd possession. It took away first down in the red zone.

Two bad calls and one no-call led to at least a 14 point swing in the final score. The Butler penalty took away at least 3, The Claiborne "hands to the face" (shoulder) kept a TD drive of theirs going and the no-call on Witten before the half cost us another 4 points.

 

[lostar2009]

Packers got call for 2 fouls aganist Dallas but we was call out for a fair amount of calls. The league got what they wanted out of GB and now they move on by gettting rid of them. I said it before this is how the league influence games.

 

[Doomsay]

you forgot the second part of that tweet when he said "NOT"

I know he's not sorry about the hold, it's all a big borat joke to him- shouldn't laugh about cheating.... Karma is a *****. https://www.all22.com/green-bay-packers/packers-tj-lang-carted-off-field-leg-injury

 

[theogt]

You really have not watched the games carefully. Even the Packers admit it.

The disparity in missed/bad calls looks to have been about 7-2, considering the team only had 9 drives, that's a big difference.

Wow, what a turd.

 

[theogt]

any idea of what point in game these occured, even down / distance and result of drive would be great. thanks either way.

My recollection was they were both scoring drives for the Packers. First one was on a critical third down. Think the other was too.

 

[Derinyar]

Speaking of which anyone know why they allowed a play to run in that instance? Isn't that a pre-snap?

From my understanding the issue is that its not a penalty until the ball is actually snapped in this situation. It was a BS ticky tacky call that the NFL apparently told teams was inappropriately called.

 

[mldardy]

Cowboys O-line does it too.

Yeah the Cowboys definitely don't get called for it and teams call them out for holding like Jackson did to the Packers. Stop.

 

[DandyDon52]

If this is known by opponents it should have been brought up by cowboys with the officials in pre game meetings to put them on notice but I doubt Garrett bothered

yeah but JG didnt do it.

In the atlanta game , seems like the refs called that game in favor of the falcons.
There was one late hit on rodgers, helmet to the face, and it wasnt called, noticed some other falcon stuff not called too.
So yeah they liked it.

 

[DandyDon52]

Garret brought it up to the officials but the officials couldn't understand his interpretative clapping.

lol, funny !

 

[DandyDon52]

Not bashing Garrett
You can bet that if Bellichick played the packers he would have brought this up constantly in pre game meetings with the officials to make sure they call it
The fact that it wasn't called even once against is tells me Garrett didn't draw their attention to it
It is the responsibility of the HC to look at every single angle and make sure it us working to our advantage and I'm it sure Garrett does that

yep JG is still learning, and I dont think he likes to do that type of thing anyway, its football, let fight ! lose and move forward lol

 

[JoeKing]

Why so salty?

I don't recall you making an appearance in this thread, so maybe take a look at it and read the article linked (if you haven't already).

Validation that the Packers Hold Every Play

To sum up, the GB tackles play a hands outside technique and the "first thing they do is grab". So essentially they're keeping guys in front them by taking away spins, swim moves, and speed. The downside is they'll be more vulnerable to the bull rush, but with a guy like Rodgers, that's not such a bad thing.

I'm sure if you think back you can surely envision Tyron playing elbows down, hands inside the pads. And what makes him so effective is that he has the great footwork to keep in front of his block most times, in addition to freakishly long arms to keep the defenders hands from making a good push.

But the biggest difference between the techniques is that hands outside has historically warranted more flags, and for a pretty simple reason.

It's easier to see actual holds.

When you're beat and your hands are outside of the guys pads it's easy to see jersey stretching and there's also a lot less question of whether or not the defender just slipped, or if the defender is the one doing the grabbing/pulling.

But for some reason, the Packers aren't being called for holding as much as they should.

I'm not disputing what the Packers do.

 

[JoeKing]

Where have you been?

What kind of reply is that? I'm looking for clarification, not disputing anything.

 

[JoeKing]

Yeah the Cowboys definitely don't get called for it and teams call them out for holding like Jackson did to the Packers. Stop.

You need to watch Cowboys games more closely. Their O-line holds just about every play and gets away with it most of the time. Please reveal your bias by denying it.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

What kind of reply is that? I'm looking for clarification, not disputing anything.

You're disputing that the Packers don't get called for holding as much as they should, although players and fans can see it with their own eyes. They've had multiple games with little or no holding called on them, but the eye test tells us differently. Please reveal your bias by denying it. Anyway, I'm done. Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[tyke1doe]

It's funny you use an example from the 90's Cowboys to make your point because teams started complaining about them and NFL changed a number of rules as a result. Michael had his own rule. Emmitt has his own rule. It seems like half the team had a rule named after them. Other teams weren't expected to be good enough to overcome these perceived disadvantages, the Cowboys players were expected to comply with the new rules.

I get it that referees are going to miss calls. But when you have multiple teams complaining about another team getting away with a certain type of offense, the league needs to look at it more carefully. If our coaches need to get in a referees ear during the game to make that point, then they need to do that.

And the Falcons didn't have to be good enough to overcome this issue with Green Bay because the article specifically talks about the referees not letting them get away with it. If the refs had called our game like they did the Falcons game, I wouldn't be complaining about the officiating if we had lost.

Fair enough.

 

[Nova]

My recollection was they were both scoring drives for the Packers. First one was on a critical third down. Think the other was too.

The second GIF that was posted was definitely a 3rd down fairly deep in their own end that ended in a scoring drive.

I remember thinking "we did everything right on that play, it was just a great play by GB"

Turns out there was a big missed hold.