Falcons release Mike Vick

[DFWJC]

He was funding it and yes the POS friends sold him down the river it does not change the fact Vick to is a POS for funding it and allowing it to take place. He was not some innocent bystander.

100% agree and never said otherwise. I would only comment that Vick was a POS for doing that...I don't know what he is now.

My parents go to church with Vick's old coach Frank Beamer and family. They say compared to most, Vick was an extremely gracious and polite young man--but that he had taken a turn for the worse (not to the level depicted by some but for the worse nevertheless) in part due to the company that he kept. He must pay for his decisions and I think he has.

I just choose to think that people can learn and can change. But then again, I'm one of those backwards Christians who believe such nonsense.

 

[The Quest for Six]

As I don't share your opinion. I guess its all a wash.

While the offense was worthy of severe punishment, Michael Vick definitely deserves an opportunity for redemption. His debt to society has been paid and has shown some form of contrition. He should be allotted an opportunity to show that he is truly remorseful while earning a living at the same time.

Human garbage??? I've seen worse.

I don't think anyone is saying he doesn't deserve an opportunity for redemption, but why should he be given a chance to play in the NFL....he can do the redemption throughout the rest of his life with how he acts and carries himself.....

opportunity for redemption... that's like saying if a pedophile served his time for molesting children that he should have an opportunity for redemption to be around children again.....sorry. but with some crimes, you just don't get that second chance, nor should they!!!

 

[Doomsday101]

100% agree and never said otherwise. I would only comment that Vick was a POS for doing that...I don't know what he is now.

My parents go to church with Vick's old coach Frank Beamer and family. They say compared to most, Vick was an extremely gracious and polite young man--but that he had taken a turn for the worse (not to the level depicted by some but for the worse nevertheless) in part due to the company that he kept. He must pay for his decisions and I think he has.

I just choose to think that people can learn and can change. But then again, I'm one of those backwards Christians who believe such nonsense.

I don't know when or if Vick will play football then again forgiving of a sin and allowing him back into the NFL are 2 different things. As far as I'm concerned he paid his dues for breaking the law and if the commissioner sees fit and some team out there wants him then he will get an oppertunity to play again however the negitive attention he will bring to any team because of his acts may cause many owners to back away from him and that is thier choice. I would hope Jones would not do it because I don't think the Cowboys need that type of baggage to carry around.

 

[jobberone]

I don't think anyone is saying he doesn't deserve an opportunity for redemption, but why should he be given a chance to play in the NFL....he can do the redemption throughout the rest of his life with how he acts and carries himself.....

opportunity for redemption... that's like saying if a pedophile served his time for molesting children that he should have an opportunity for redemption to be around children again.....sorry. but with some crimes, you just don't get that second chance, nor should they!!!

I have no idea what you're talking about. Playing in the NFL is not the same thing as you're suggesting if I got what you're saying.

You don't put candy in front of children and expect it not to get gone. There are no dogs around the NFL. And he doesn't have a problem brainwise like a pedophile does and I'm not going into all that here. It's just not the same. He has poor judgment and he's paid for and will continue to do so for awhile.

 

[Four]

I don't think anyone is saying he doesn't deserve an opportunity for redemption, but why should he be given a chance to play in the NFL....he can do the redemption throughout the rest of his life with how he acts and carries himself.....

opportunity for redemption... that's like saying if a pedophile served his time for molesting children that he should have an opportunity for redemption to be around children again.....sorry. but with some crimes, you just don't get that second chance, nor should they!!!

and all the people he owes money will never get that money if he isn't allowed to play in the NFL again, it hurts more than just him if he is never allowed back in the game.

lots of people still stand to lose a lot if he isn't afforded a way to pay his debts.

the pedo reference was pretty far out there too

 

[DFWJC]

I don't know when or if Vick will play football then again forgiving of a sin and allowing him back into the NFL are 2 different things. As far as I'm concerned he paid his dues for breaking the law and if the commissioner sees fit and some team out there wants him then he will get an oppertunity to play again however the negitive attention he will bring to any team because of his acts may cause many owners to back away from him and that is thier choice. I would hope Jones would not do it because I don't think the Cowboys need that type of baggage to carry around.

We agree on that....all of it.

 

[Doomsday101]

and all the people he owes money will never get that money if he isn't allowed to play in the NFL again, it hurts more than just him if he is never allowed back in the game.

lots of people still stand to lose a lot if he isn't afforded a way to pay his debts.

And that is the reason he should be allowed back because he owes money? He has a college education put it to use. NFL is not some god given right and while the commissioner may allow him back there are going to be many teams who I think will be extreamly shy about getting him because of the negitive publicity, face it there are many animal lovers in this country and many of them fill the stadiums. If comes back he is back but because he owes money does not mean jack

 

[Four]

And that is the reason he should be allowed back because he owes money? He has a college education put it to use. NFL is not some god given right and while the commissioner may allow him back there are going to be many teams who I think will be extreamly shy about getting him because of the negitive publicity, face it there are many animal lovers in this country and many of them fill the stadiums. If comes back he is back but because he owes money does not mean jack

sure it does, he isn't going to be able to pay his debts with his college education, 100k a year isn't going to make a dent, and frankly I don't think he is qualified enough to even make that.

He did his time, and now he needs to pay off his debtors, so he should be allowed to do it. Only way that realistically happens is on the football field.

 

[Hostile]

100% agree and never said otherwise. I would only comment that Vick was a POS for doing that...I don't know what he is now.

My parents go to church with Vick's old coach Frank Beamer and family. They say compared to most, Vick was an extremely gracious and polite young man--but that he had taken a turn for the worse (not to the level depicted by some but for the worse nevertheless) in part due to the company that he kept. He must pay for his decisions and I think he has.

I just choose to think that people can learn and can change. But then again, I'm one of those backwards Christians who believe such nonsense.

Most people held the same views about OJ Simpson and Jeffrey Dahmer.

 

[Four]

wait a minute, people say that about me too...

 

[The Quest for Six]

and all the people he owes money will never get that money if he isn't allowed to play in the NFL again, it hurts more than just him if he is never allowed back in the game.

lots of people still stand to lose a lot if he isn't afforded a way to pay his debts.

the pedo reference was pretty far out there too

To play in he NFL is a privilige, not a right.... He's going through bankrupcy, so most of his dept will be gone... I guess he'll have to downsize like everyone else in this economy...no one is stopping him from getting a job like everyone else..... an NFL team will make the decision whether or not he gets a chance in the NFL..... Teams have that right not to sign him, especially if by signing such a player with his kind of background causes them to lose money, fans and sponsorship....

The pedophile reference is not far out there, one could say he has a right to earn a living too, just like Vick.... maybe the pedophile works well with children, I certainly wouldn't want him around my kids, regardless if someone told me he served his time and deserves and opportunity for redemption... The NFL is a business, whether Vick ever plays again in the NFL will be out of his hands...

 

[Doomsday101]

sure it does, he isn't going to be able to pay his debts with his college education, 100k a year isn't going to make a dent, and frankly I don't think he is qualified enough to even make that.

He did his time, and now he needs to pay off his debtors, so he should be allowed to do it. Only way that realistically happens is on the football field.

And what does that have to do with the NFL? I owe some money should the NFL be giving me a job? His debt is his not the NFL nor is it their concern. Why should he be given what others out there are not given? He is more special than anyone else?

 

[Four]

To play in he NFL is a privilige, not a right.... He's going through bankrupcy, so most of his dept will be gone... I guess he'll have to downsize like everyone else in this economy...no one is stopping him from getting a job like everyone else..... an NFL team will make the decision whether or not he gets a chance in the NFL..... Teams have that right not to sign him, especially if by signing such a player with his kind of background causes them to lose money, fans and sponsorship....

The pedophile reference is not far out there, one could say he has a right to earn a living too, just like Vick.... maybe the pedophile works well with children, I certainly wouldn't want him around my kids, regardless if someone told me he served his time and deserves and opportunity for redemption... The NFL is a business, whether Vick ever plays again in the NFL will be out of his hands...

so basically his creditors should also be punished for his mistakes?

Sorry, but I won't ever agree with that.

and the pedophilia thing is out of line, no way to explain it will change that.

The two things are horrible but completely unrelated. and in completely different universes in so much as one being worse than the other.

 

[Doomsday101]

so basically his creditors should also be punished for his mistakes?

Sorry, but I won't ever agree with that.

and the pedophilia thing is out of line, no way to explain it will change that.

The two things are horrible but completely unrelated. and in completely different universes in so much as one being worse than the other.

That is between Vick and his creditors that is not any concern of the NFL, he can file bankrupcy like anyone else in that situation you seem to be saying he is different from the rest of us there fore he deserves more than the rest.

 

[Four]

And what does that have to do with the NFL? I owe some money should the NFL be giving me a job? His debt is his not the NFL nor is it their concern. Why should he be given what others out there are not given? He is more special than anyone else?

he paid his debt to the courts, to keep him out of the NFL wouldn't be right.

He did his time, and his being in the NFL will help more people now.

He should be allowed back because it's right, and on the plus side of it it will allow him to pay back the people he owes money.

the two are not related really, but it is a positive side of him returning to the NFL.

I never said he has a right to play in the NFL but he has an obligation to pay his debts and him being in the NFL will make that feasible.

get over the NFL owes him angle because I am not saying that, you are putting words in my mouth.

there is no reason he shouldn't be allowed back.

 

[Doomsday101]

he paid his debt to the courts, to keep him out of the NFL wouldn't be right.

He did his time, and his being in the NFL will help more people now.

He should be allowed back because it's right, and on the plus side of it it will allow him to pay back the people he owes money.

the two are not related really, but it is a positive side of him returning to the NFL.

I never said he has a right to play in the NFL but he has an obligation to pay his debts and him being in the NFL will make that feasible.

It is the right of the NFL, sorry you don't always get to get back everything you lost but he is not in prison he paid his dept and no one owes him a damn thing. If he has money problems there are recourses that are aviable to us all he is not special and does not deserve anything more than any one else does. For god sake he played a kids game and was paid million and was stupid enough to throw it away that is his own mess up no one owes Vick Jack

 

[Dodger]

All I can say is I wouldn't want him on my team.

For me it's a question of character. Anyone who knowingly involves himself in the type of activity he was caught participating in just doesn't sound like the kind of person that I'd want to associate with.

 

[Doomsday101]

If a CEO rips off a company for Millions goes to prision does that company owe him his old job back?

 

[Four]

It is the right of the NFL, sorry you don't always get to get back everything you lost but he is not in prison he paid his dept and no one owes him a damn thing. If he has money problems there are recourses that are aviable to us all he is not special and does not deserve anything more than any one else does. For god sake he played a kids game and was paid million and was stupid enough to throw it away that is his own mess up no one owes Vick Jack

stop saying that I said they do

good lord man, did you even read what I said, or you just interpreted it how you like so you could go on some tangent completely unrelated to my point?

there is no reason to keep him out of the league

him playing again will help him pay his debts

TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PARTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED

 

[Arch Stanton]

Dude, go educate yourself on the facts. He did indeed take part in this. He wasnt a casual observer. I read the entire case cover to cover and the locals had even more detailed coverage on it than what was talked about nationally, it was sick.

He threw golden retriever puppies in with trained pit bulls to "warm them up"...he cruely punished or in some cases even destroyed dogs who didnt perform "up to par"...They had the guy cold on this, thats why he did time.

He's a sick POS.

To read folks defend him saying he's been hurt enough is beyond laughable.