Fans should know CBA rules for contract negotiations

revospeed said:
Wrong. The CBA allows a player to negotiate his own contract terms without limitation. Of course it has to be reduced to writing but the agent does not have the final say on a contract.
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If his client allows him to yes that part he does if you have an agent they have to approve it Now the client can tell you to ignore it and that you want him to sign off on it but in this case Parsons is trusting or he's brainwashed by his agent that he's getting screwed and that he needs to listen to him but the agent definitely if you have representation has to be involved in the final copy the signatures the witness. But just like in the real world if this was a criminal case and you didn't like the way your lawyer was handling things you fire him and get another one and you can wave your rights to having a lawyer but that would be stupid...

That has happened in sports this wouldn't be the first time a player had to get rid of an agent in order to get a deal done with another agent with a new agency you should have representation, i'm not against agents but in this case this agent and this owner in GM are not getting along and it's holding up this contract therefore how is that good for the client?

People in here trying to tell us that if Parsons changed to a different agent that he won't get as much money I think that's utterly ridiculous parsons is in a position where he's a superstar he's an elite athlete at his position and he will get maximum money if they can ever get to the table with the agent the GM and the player to come to an agreement..
 
blueblood70 said:
If his client allows him to yes that part he does if you have an agent they have to approve it Now the client can tell you to ignore it and that you want him to sign off on it but in this case Parsons is trusting or he's brainwashed by his agent that he's getting screwed and that he needs to listen to him but the agent definitely if you have representation has to be involved in the final copy the signatures the witness. But just like in the real world if this was a criminal case and you didn't like the way your lawyer was handling things you fire him and get another one and you can wave your rights to having a lawyer but that would be stupid...

That has happened in sports this wouldn't be the first time a player had to get rid of an agent in order to get a deal done with another agent with a new agency you should have representation, i'm not against agents but in this case this agent and this owner in GM are not getting along and it's holding up this contract therefore how is that good for the client?

People in here trying to tell us that if Parsons changed to a different agent that he won't get as much money I think that's utterly ridiculous parsons is in a position where he's a superstar he's an elite athlete at his position and he will get maximum money if they can ever get to the table with the agent the GM and the player to come to an agreement..
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Not true. A player has the right to negotiate a contract any time he wants. He doesnt need his agent’s permission. The agent works for him. Tom Brady signed his first big contract by going yo Pioli’s office and getting the deal done, then contacting his agent, Don Yee, who had been negotiating, to tell him the deal was done.
 
blueblood70 said:
Jerry has honored all of those deals with all those agents for 36 years and and yet you think he's trying to bypass the agent no he's not he just doesn't like this particular agent He's not trying to force Parsons into doing something he doesn't want to do they had a preliminary contract in principle and when they wanted to bring it to the agent the agent was angry upset made it personal and said don't even bother That **** Jerry off and here we are is this agent it's not jerry trying to bypass an agent he just doesn't want to deal with this agent. Apparently T Higgins did not either this won't be the first time somebody had an agent that they had to fire or that the other side didn't like dealing with and it blew up a deal.. It's not illegal for Jerry to speak with his employees about contracts contract details as long as when they're done they are witnessed and signed and agreed upon by all parties including the agent.....
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I agree with this, I believe the agent comes off as a scumbag and is all about himself....not like jerry isn't but there is something about this agent that doesn't feel right.
 
revospeed said:
I’m a lawyer, and I deal with contracts every single day in my work. There’s no gray area here. You’re just inventing a rule that doesn’t exist. You started this thread claiming that any and all contract negotiation must go through an agent, but the plain language of the CBA (and years of actual practice in the NFL) show that isn’t true.

If what you’re saying were correct, Jerry Jones and the Patriots would have been punished dozens of times over for talking directly with players about contracts without agents present. That never happened, because there is no such rule. Article 48 simply ensures that if an agent is used, they must be certified. It does not require that an agent be used at all.

It’s strange to me that you’ve made this claim with nothing to back it up, and then doubled down as though it were fact. But the reality is simple: there is nothing in the CBA that supports the argument you’re making.
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Must the NFLPA approve every player compensation contract?
 
KingCorcoran said:
Must the NFLPA approve every player compensation contract?
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Sure. What does that have to do with a players right to negotiate the terms of the contract himself?

Micah did that. Came to a preliminary agreement with Jerry and the agent told him to renege. He has every right to do that as well. But Jerry didn’t break any rules by negotiating with Micah directly. The entire point of this thread is to say thar Jerry broke rules by negotiating directly with Micah. That is false.

If that were true, why hasnt Jerry been disciplined. Article 48, section 3 provides for discipline. Why hasnt he been disciplined?
 
Reality said:
In other words, the old school backroom handshake deals that old people used to make are an antiquated way of thinking and negotiating these days.
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It doesn't matter whether it's considered old school or antiquated, as long as it's the first part of the process and the agents involved at the end to approve and witness the actual contract to make sure his clients not getting screwed, that's all that needs to be done for it to follow the CBA rule...

Jerry's been doing this since 1989, and I think he knows better than anybody in here and whether it's right or wrong according to the CBA, in this instance it's just the 2 egos of this agent ,not all agents ,Jerry deals with agents he's been dealing with them since 1989, but this particular agent and him don't get along....

It's Not against the rules to negotiate a contract in principle whether it's verbal or you just sit around having lunch having a general discussion about the expectations of each party and come up with some kind of structure/outline/general terms and then when you get close you bring it to the agent and they can make changes and pass it back and forth until there's a verbal agreement there whether it's on the phone or on an email, and then you set up an appointment to sit down and everybody sign everything shake hands and do all the formal stuff...

Having informal conversations with your employees about contract is not illegal it's not against the CBA You can try to conclude that from bobs posting of it but Most of us see it the way I'm describing, it is not against the rules to have these type of conversations with your employees with the players as long as you don't force them to drop their representation in order to get paid, like blackmail strong arming that's not what Jerry's doing.... Other agents for other players recently like Prescott got everything and more and and really gave it to Jerry and Jerry paid them I don't remember any of them Accusing Jerry of doing things the wrong way.. It's because he does it an old way doesn't make it the wrong way and these players with agencies and agents have all got Jerry to sit down and finalize contracts....

Jerry's more upset at the agent not the player because he felt like they had a fair deal at least discussed verbally and the agent apparently and allegedly didn't like that that that happened, so he told him don't bother even sending it because I'll send you what I feel needs to be the terms... This is the giant ego trip by both sides They're both equally wrong in my opinion and they've made this more messy than they had to be...
 
revospeed said:
Not true. A player has the right to negotiate a contract any time he wants. He doesnt need his agent’s permission. The agent works for him. Tom Brady signed his first big contract by going yo Pioli’s office and getting the deal done, then contacting his agent, Don Yee, who had been negotiating, to tell him the deal was done.
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Yes, if a player chose to bypass the agent but that's not what's happened here parsons has told Jerry he no longer wanted to talk to him in person without the agent involved, so at that moment they can no longer do it. Parsons would have to absolutely drop his representation in order to bypass his agent.... I already agreed he doesn't need an agent, but he does have an agent, and he's already told Jerry that he no longer wants to have informal discussions about the contract going forward therefore now that has to be the process from here on out UNLESS Parsons simply fired David and got a new agent or represented himself I wouldn't do that I would get a new agent one that they know Jerry has dealt with in the past like Prescott's agent..
 
blueblood70 said:
Yes, if a player chose to bypass the agent but that's not what's happened here parsons has told Jerry he no longer wanted to talk to him in person without the agent involved, so at that moment they can no longer do it. Parsons would have to absolutely drop his representation in order to bypass his agent.... I already agreed he doesn't need an agent, but he does have an agent, and he's already told Jerry that he no longer wants to have informal discussions about the contract going forward therefore now that has to be the process from here on out UNLESS Parsons simply fired David and got a new agent or represented himself I wouldn't do that I would get a new agent one that they know Jerry has dealt with in the past like Prescott's agent..
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No one is arguing this. The OP said that all negotiations must go through an agent. Thats not true. Jerry didnt break any rules as the OP states.
 
blueblood70 said:
It doesn't matter whether it's considered old school or antiquated, as long as it's the first part of the process and the agents involved at the end to approve and witness the actual contract to make sure his clients not getting screwed, that's all that needs to be done for it to follow the CBA rule...

Jerry's been doing this since 1989, and I think he knows better than anybody in here and whether it's right or wrong according to the CBA, in this instance it's just the 2 egos of this agent ,not all agents ,Jerry deals with agents he's been dealing with them since 1989, but this particular agent and him don't get along....

It's Not against the rules to negotiate a contract in principle whether it's verbal or you just sit around having lunch having a general discussion about the expectations of each party and come up with some kind of structure/outline/general terms and then when you get close you bring it to the agent and they can make changes and pass it back and forth until there's a verbal agreement there whether it's on the phone or on an email, and then you set up an appointment to sit down and everybody sign everything shake hands and do all the formal stuff...

Having informal conversations with your employees about contract is not illegal it's not against the CBA You can try to conclude that from bobs posting of it but Most of us see it the way I'm describing, it is not against the rules to have these type of conversations with your employees with the players as long as you don't force them to drop their representation in order to get paid, like blackmail strong arming that's not what Jerry's doing.... Other agents for other players recently like Prescott got everything and more and and really gave it to Jerry and Jerry paid them I don't remember any of them Accusing Jerry of doing things the wrong way.. It's because he does it an old way doesn't make it the wrong way and these players with agencies and agents have all got Jerry to sit down and finalize contracts....

Jerry's more upset at the agent not the player because he felt like they had a fair deal at least discussed verbally and the agent apparently and allegedly didn't like that that that happened, so he told him don't bother even sending it because I'll send you what I feel needs to be the terms... This is the giant ego trip by both sides They're both equally wrong in my opinion and they've made this more messy than they had to be...
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I have no problem with Jerry talking to players, but Jerry stated he "had a deal with Micah" but that's not how it works.

He can negotiate the generalities with Micah if Micah allows it, but in the end, the deal has to get negotiated in detail with his agent.

Jerry saying, "We had a deal" is disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst.
 
Reality said:
I have no problem with Jerry talking to players, but Jerry stated he "had a deal with Micah" but that's not how it works.

He can negotiate the generalities with Micah is Micah allows it, but in the end, the deal has to get negotiated in detail with his agent.

Jerry saying, "We had a deal" is disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst.
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A Lot being said that no one here and nobody on the outside can really confirm, we're all making assumptions, but I know what he meant they did have a deal in principle ,which would have had to been approved by the agent, the agent rejected having it sent because he got upset because he felt Jerry was bypassing him ,which he really wasn't, So now their egos are clashing that's the only thing we know is truth is Jerry doesn't like David, David doesn't like Jerry and Parsons is caught in the middle...

The outline of a deal ,the outline of terms ,contract done in principle, if it's verbal it is having a deal, he didn't say he had a done deal he didn't say he had a deal set in concrete... Jerry simply felt like they had the majority or how he would probably say it the meat of the deal already done and it wouldn't have been difficult for the agent to sit down and hash out the finer points and then get it signed but then the agent rejects even wanting to see it whatever you believe. here we are...

All I care about is football and I want the Dallas Cowboys to have Parsons playing game one against the Eagles So that's all I care about right now the money to contracts this stuff is giving me tired head...

this is tiring everybody out and it would be nice if it got resolved soon...
 
revospeed said:
Sure. What does that have to do with a players right to negotiate the terms of the contract himself?

Micah did that. Came to a preliminary agreement with Jerry and the agent told him to renege. He has every right to do that as well. But Jerry didn’t break any rules by negotiating with Micah directly. The entire point of this thread is to say thar Jerry broke rules by negotiating directly with Micah. That is false.

If that were true, why hasnt Jerry been disciplined. Article 48, section 3 provides for discipline. Why hasnt he been disciplined?
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It gives the players’ union a degree of control over player compensation contracts. They don’t have to even suggest discipline for anyone. They remain fully in control of Micah’s and every other NFL player’s contract.

If they don’t agree with what Micah and Jerry have done in deference to a contract extension they can say “no deal”. And so can the NFL. If Goodell wants to weigh in, he can. I doubt he considers one owner’s contract impasse with one player as an issue that can hurt the popularity of the league.

In simple terms, the NFL and NFLPA are not concerned with Jerry’s and Micah’s relationship over a contract extension or otherwise.
 
Bobhaze said:
Many fans saw the appearance of Jerry Jones on Michael Irvin’s podcast today. Saying he had “an offer on the table for Micah Parsons” with sizeable numbers.

JJ saying all that is a total waste of time and a complete misrepresentation of how NFL contract negotiations are to be conducted according to the NFL’s current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)

For example, if an NFL player has an NFLPA-certified agent, (which Parson’s agent David Mulugheta certainly is) then all negotiations must go through that agent. Period. Teams are forbidden from contacting or negotiating with players who are represented by an agent without the agent's presence.

Jerry knows this! Clubs can face penalties for violating this rule, including the cancellation of any contract offer or signed contract made outside of these rules.This rule protects players by ensuring they are represented by their agent during negotiations, helping to prevent situations where a team might pressure a player into a less favorable deal without their agent present. (Imagine that)

So if we hear Jerry or Stephen say that “we had an agreement last March”, it is a completely invalid argument. Apparently meant to win in the court of public opinion in hopes that many Cowboys fans should buy that. Don’t buy it. It’s invalid.
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Bobhaze said:
Many fans saw the appearance of Jerry Jones on Michael Irvin’s podcast today. Saying he had “an offer on the table for Micah Parsons” with sizeable numbers.

JJ saying all that is a total waste of time and a complete misrepresentation of how NFL contract negotiations are to be conducted according to the NFL’s current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)

For example, if an NFL player has an NFLPA-certified agent, (which Parson’s agent David Mulugheta certainly is) then all negotiations must go through that agent. Period. Teams are forbidden from contacting or negotiating with players who are represented by an agent without the agent's presence.

Jerry knows this! Clubs can face penalties for violating this rule, including the cancellation of any contract offer or signed contract made outside of these rules.This rule protects players by ensuring they are represented by their agent during negotiations, helping to prevent situations where a team might pressure a player into a less favorable deal without their agent present. (Imagine that)

So if we hear Jerry or Stephen say that “we had an agreement last March”, it is a completely invalid argument. Apparently meant to win in the court of public opinion in hopes that many Cowboys fans should buy that. Don’t buy it. It’s invalid.
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Show us these “rules” , you’re just repeating something you’ve heard.
 
Well hopefully this makes Parsons feel better or worse I don't know summarized from the SAS interview with Jerry this morning....

Jerry Jones on Stephen A’s YouTube show: “We’ve got him for three years, no matter what.”
Stephen A: “He’s not going anywhere?”
Jerry: “Exactly.”
Stephen A: “Somebody comes along with a couple of Pro Bowlers and a couple of 1st round picks, Jerry, what you gonna do?”
Jerry: “I’m not hearing that. Y’all got this static coming in here somewhere. I’m getting overrun here. {laughs}”
Stephen A: “I’m just asking! I want to make sure that nobody has to worry about Micah Parsons going anywhere. Because that’s how much you value him.”
Jerry: “Just know this — I’m so proud, that you think that much of him. So please, say it often. Because we do have him.”
*note: Stephen A. had said he sees Parsons as the face of the franchise, earlier in the discussion. That was what Jones was referencing in the final quote.
 
Majic said:
Yes he does. If you don't sign him to a long-term deal you have one unhappy player who I cannot see playing to a level required in terms of effort, so you are over-paying (last year of contract and franchise tagx2) for a player who will not perform at the same level as in the past. (That's if he actually does not sit out games). GM's can see what is going on. Meanwhile his agent (the best in the business) will get him the deal he wants from another team. I don't see him losing out financially.

It's all very well Jerry saying he has the player under contract for 3 seasons, but he wouldn't have the same player, just a very unhappy one.
Jerry has called this completely wrong.
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Jerry Jones on Stephen A’s YouTube show: “We’ve got him for three years, no matter what.”
Stephen A: “He’s not going anywhere?”
Jerry: “Exactly.”
Stephen A: “Somebody comes along with a couple of Pro Bowlers and a couple of 1st round picks, Jerry, what you gonna do?”
Jerry: “I’m not hearing that. Y’all got this static coming in here somewhere. I’m getting overrun here. {laughs}”
Stephen A: “I’m just asking! I want to make sure that nobody has to worry about Micah Parsons going anywhere. Because that’s how much you value him.”
Jerry: “Just know this — I’m so proud, that you think that much of him. So please, say it often. Because we do have him.”
*note: Stephen A. had said he sees Parsons as the face of the franchise, earlier in the discussion. That was what Jones was referencing in the final quote.
 
blueblood70 said:
Jerry Jones on Stephen A’s YouTube show: “We’ve got him for three years, no matter what.”
Stephen A: “He’s not going anywhere?”
Jerry: “Exactly.”
Stephen A: “Somebody comes along with a couple of Pro Bowlers and a couple of 1st round picks, Jerry, what you gonna do?”
Jerry: “I’m not hearing that. Y’all got this static coming in here somewhere. I’m getting overrun here. {laughs}”
Stephen A: “I’m just asking! I want to make sure that nobody has to worry about Micah Parsons going anywhere. Because that’s how much you value him.”
Jerry: “Just know this — I’m so proud, that you think that much of him. So please, say it often. Because we do have him.”
*note: Stephen A. had said he sees Parsons as the face of the franchise, earlier in the discussion. That was what Jones was referencing in the final quote.
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meaningless twaddle. We've learnt very little here.
 
Reality said:
I don't think many people understand that this has always been Jerry's strategy with star players that didn't sign early.

There have been countless stories in the past where the player wanted to be in Dallas bad, Jerry talked directly to the players, dangled an extra benefit they wanted to nudge them and then the players went back to their agents and told them, "Do the deal!"

Agents know about this habit from Jerry just like the media does and fans do, so I would not be shocked at all to hear that every Cowboys player agent warns them pre-emptively about that tactic.

Most players are more business-centric these days and are told in countless meetings by advisers and NFLPA speakers starting the moment they are drafted to let their agents handle everything.

Add to that the fact that a lot more players in college are getting agents for NIL which means they are getting a lot more information and instructions before they ever enter the NFL than they did in the past.

In other words, the old school backroom handshake deals that old people used to make are an antiquated way of thinking and negotiating these days.
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Only among honest people...
 
Majic said:
meaningless twaddle. We've learnt very little here.
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No, it's not, in my opinion he's sending subliminal messages to Parsons that he's important to the team and at the same time he's not getting traded and the Cowboys plan on holding on to him for a long time, he's basically telling Parsons he's appreciated but his deals not done because of his agent...

Will eventually get done if you can't read between the lines, I'm sorry but it tells me a lot it should tell you he's not getting traded...
 
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