Favre is back... (NYJ gain permission to talk to him)

[Yeagermeister]

Really? Hmm, thats news to me. Didn't know that. Well, scratch that idea.

I want to say it went in to effect last year but I'm not positive.

 

[cowboys2233]

Only the Redkins would trade a #1 for Favre :laugh2:

Best the Packers would get is a #3, he isn't really committed and only has a few years left, this sounds Jason Tayloresque.

You're probably right, but only because of what I said before. There really isn't a reason to give up a high draft choice to get him because he can totally force the Packers' hand into releasing him outright.

If teams can still "Keyshawn" players, that would certainly be another option. But paying a guy $12 million to sit home and eat Doritos isn't really in the best interests of the team, which is what Ted Thompson and Co. have been preaching they want to do all along.

 

[THUMPER]

I think that sums up the reason for dislike right there. All that and he is not a Cowboy.

Not necessarily, Peyton Manning is well on his way to breaking all of Favre's records and is also a media darling and is not a Cowboy but I like him.

I don't like Brett Favre because I don't like the guy. Is that OK?

 

[ajk23az]

Not necessarily, Peyton Manning is well on his way to breaking all of Favre's records and is also a media darling and is not a Cowboy but I like him.

I don't like Brett Favre because I don't like the guy. Is that OK?

No.

 

[aikemirv]

Not necessarily, Peyton Manning is well on his way to breaking all of Favre's records and is also a media darling and is not a Cowboy but I like him.

I don't like Brett Favre because I don't like the guy. Is that OK?

Yeah thats fine. You like Peyton, the whiner Manning who fusses at his WR's eveytime he throws a INT or a bad pass like it was somehow not his fault, always showing them up, or when a call does not go his way?

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I thought Favre was pretty good in "There's Something About Mary".

 

[Yeagermeister]

I thought Favre was pretty good in "There's Something About Mary".

I'm in town to play the Dolphins, ******* :laugh2:

 

[sago1]

I believe the many comparisons between Aikman & Favre in the 90s along with so many face to face meets (all of which we won) still rankle with many Cowboy fans who resent him. Also, some of us rather annoyed with his hype re whether he was going to retire or not going back as far as 3 years ago. Also his demands the team get Randy Moss (unerstand why Favre would want that but why would Moss want to play for Packers when Pats interested?). Also he apparently upset the Packers didn't act on his request they consider former 49er/Lion head coach Marrauchi (sp?) as head coach.

Also don't forget he was also upset with the Packers cause he wanted to wait until TC to make his retirement decision. While players at most other positions could hold off such a decision until TC (see Strahan, Larry Allen, etc) not going to happen at the QB position because most teams change their offense to fit the talent of new QB. Frankly, his comment re wanting to hold off until TC is what bothers me the most about this whole thing because it shows (at least to me) he is putting himself ahead of what's best for the team which is supposedly a no no at the QB position in the NFL. It also doesn't help to know he changed his mind only 2-3 weeks after announcing his retirement & told Packers who at that point wanted him back; however even before they could meet with him in Miss he called to cancel their visit telling them he had again changed his mind and would stay retired.

So the Packers draft 2 young QBs, believe 1 of them was in the 2nd round but then he soon again changes his mind and wants to come back. It now also apparent he might have had discussions with the Vikes presumably about returning to the NFL; he won't get punished for calling them but the Vikes sure will. Point to me is he's very selfish and is putting himself before the team. Who knows whether he might change his mind again before the season even starts or if he doesn't play well could suffer a meltdown either with the Packers or another team.

Does he have a right to come back, you bet. But his actions can emotionally hurt his team and divide the lockerroom. Frankly, I concur with Packers decision to move on which means trading to him a SB contender outside the NFC North & probably a team which the Pacs don't play in Green Bay. The Bucs are an obvious choice although frankly I don't think he brings much more to the Bucs then does Garcia simply because their offensive talent isn't that good.

As a Cowboy I sure don't want to see him traded to the Vikes who already a good team; no NFL wants to see any competitor improve instead their conference/division--that's reality.

 

[Kangaroo]

Agreed. And here's the thing -- Favre can make it there if he really wants to. He essentially has a no-trade clause because he can veto any team the Pack would like to send him to.

So, the Pack have two options. Keep him on the roster and pay him his $12 million salary or release him. Why on earth would Favre agree to go to a team like the Buccaneers? To make Ted Thompson happy? Yeah, that's going to happen.

If you are Greenbay why in the heck would you let him go to a Divison rival like the Vikings

Yea that be just as idiotic the Bucs where at least a Playoff team him and Gruden have worked together before and he does run a West Coast type offense

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

If you are Greenbay why in the heck would you let him go to a Divison rival like the Vikings

Yea that be just as idiotic the Bucs where at least a Playoff team him and Gruden have worked together before and he does run a West Coast type offense

thank you someone sees the light

 

[Kangaroo]

Oh, well as long as Chief and Thumper say that, it must be true. :LOL

He won't veto all trades, just trades that don't send him to the Vikings. :LOL

I guess he could possibly agree to play for the Bucs, but only if he is actually delusional enough to think they have a shot of making the playoffs.

But again, he holds all the cards. If he really wants to play for the Vikings, he can veto everything and force the Pack to keep him, pay him $12 million and sit on the bench. Is that really an option? No way.

Well the Packers could pay him the 12 million and put him on IR. They could also just tell him to stay home put him on the roster as the 3rd qb and have him sitting at home

They have just as much leverage as anyone else

 

[Yeagermeister]

Well the Packers could pay him the 12 million and put him on IR. They could also just tell him to stay home put him on the roster as the 3rd qb and have him sitting at home

They have just as much leverage as anyone else

He'd have to have a legit injury first but those could be arranged. :laugh2:

 

[Vtwin]

If you are Greenbay why in the heck would you let him go to a Divison rival like the Vikings

Yea that be just as idiotic the Bucs where at least a Playoff team him and Gruden have worked together before and he does run a West Coast type offense

I think the point is that the ONLY way the Packers could guarantee that he doesn't end up in the division is to pay him.If they don't pay him they could trade him IF he agrees to the trade. They could also outright release him which would pave the way to facing him twice a year. They have no other options.If they pay him then they have to deal with him for the season and that could very well cost them a game or two.They Packers are backed right into the corner and they have little to use to fight their way out. I'm hearing you cowboys2233.

 

[Vtwin]

thank you someone sees the light

Other then paying him how can they stop him from going where he wants? It has already been established that he has essentially, a no trade clause.How can they stop him other then by paying him?

 

[triplets92]

I hope lands some where. Sorry I don't dislike him or upset because he had a change of heart. This is not about money it is about the love of the game, Brett is not hurting for money he wants to play ball. If that offends people then so be it but Brett is not the 1st nor will he be the last player to announce retirement and then change his mind as the season gets closer.

I can respect that he just wants to play ball that's cool. but disrespecting his team the way he has is horrible. every year having your head coach and gm run around franticly not knowing if your gonna come back or not is extreamly arrogant and rude. I have been on the brett favre ban wagon for awhile even when he was sticking his nose in other teammates money i was behind him but now brett is nothing but a lieing cry baby

 

[Chief]

I believe the many comparisons between Aikman & Favre in the 90s along with so many face to face meets (all of which we won) still rankle with many Cowboy fans who resent him. Also, some of us rather annoyed with his hype re whether he was going to retire or not going back as far as 3 years ago. Also his demands the team get Randy Moss (unerstand why Favre would want that but why would Moss want to play for Packers when Pats interested?). Also he apparently upset the Packers didn't act on his request they consider former 49er/Lion head coach Marrauchi (sp?) as head coach.

Also don't forget he was also upset with the Packers cause he wanted to wait until TC to make his retirement decision. While players at most other positions could hold off such a decision until TC (see Strahan, Larry Allen, etc) not going to happen at the QB position because most teams change their offense to fit the talent of new QB. Frankly, his comment re wanting to hold off until TC is what bothers me the most about this whole thing because it shows (at least to me) he is putting himself ahead of what's best for the team which is supposedly a no no at the QB position in the NFL. It also doesn't help to know he changed his mind only 2-3 weeks after announcing his retirement & told Packers who at that point wanted him back; however even before they could meet with him in Miss he called to cancel their visit telling them he had again changed his mind and would stay retired.

So the Packers draft 2 young QBs, believe 1 of them was in the 2nd round but then he soon again changes his mind and wants to come back. It now also apparent he might have had discussions with the Vikes presumably about returning to the NFL; he won't get punished for calling them but the Vikes sure will. Point to me is he's very selfish and is putting himself before the team. Who knows whether he might change his mind again before the season even starts or if he doesn't play well could suffer a meltdown either with the Packers or another team.

Does he have a right to come back, you bet. But his actions can emotionally hurt his team and divide the lockerroom. Frankly, I concur with Packers decision to move on which means trading to him a SB contender outside the NFC North & probably a team which the Pacs don't play in Green Bay. The Bucs are an obvious choice although frankly I don't think he brings much more to the Bucs then does Garcia simply because their offensive talent isn't that good.

As a Cowboy I sure don't want to see him traded to the Vikes who already a good team; no NFL wants to see any competitor improve instead their conference/division--that's reality.

Good post.

And since you mentioned Aikman, I would throw this out there.

I wonder how people would feel if a healthy Aikman had done the following:

-- waffles on retiring for two or three years.

-- finally retires.

-- hints at wanting to come back just a month or two later, after Jerry already had his promising young replacement lined up and drafted two other QBs.

-- leaks comments to select media about wanting to come back, while secretly calling the head coach and offensive coordinator of the Commanders or Eagles multiple times to see if he can play for them.

Can anyone imagine Aikman doing that?

I can't either.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Did anyone not expect this when he announced his "retirement" a few months ago? The guy may hold a ton of records and be a media darling but he is a jerk IMO.

I feel the same way about the guy I can't stand him.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

I feel the same way about the guy I can't stand him.

x 2 here

 

[CoCo]

Good post.

And since you mentioned Aikman, I would throw this out there.

I wonder how people would feel if a healthy Aikman had done the following:

-- waffles on retiring for two or three years.

-- finally retires.

-- hints at wanting to come back just a month or two later, after Jerry already had his promising young replacement lined up and drafted two other QBs.

-- leaks comments to select media about wanting to come back, while secretly calling the head coach and offensive coordinator of the Commanders or Eagles multiple times.

Can anyone imagine Aikman doing that?

I can't either.

Actually, I can imagine Aikman doing most of the above because I think there is an incredible temptation to play on even when there are risks and downsides associated.

This is the only vocation these guys have ever known and you don't want to regret leaving too early. I think many players are willing to risk leaving too late to avoid leaving too early.

I think that is exactly where I would be.

That's why Emmitt ended up in AZ which I know disappointed a lot of Cowboy fans but its his life to live and not the fans.

Honestly I think sometimes fans think they win the rights to dictate a players life after supporting him for X years.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Good post.

And since you mentioned Aikman, I would throw this out there.

I wonder how people would feel if a healthy Aikman had done the following:

-- waffles on retiring for two or three years.

-- finally retires.

-- hints at wanting to come back just a month or two later, after Jerry already had his promising young replacement lined up and drafted two other QBs.

-- leaks comments to select media about wanting to come back, while secretly calling the head coach and offensive coordinator of the Commanders or Eagles multiple times to see if he can play for them.

Can anyone imagine Aikman doing that?

I can't either.

Aikman wasn't the attention ***** Farve is