fellas... it's gonna be Turner...

[Portland Fanatic]

jg + rivera = too much drama.... jg would be brought here on potential.... potential to be HC sumday.... how do you think rr would like that?.... would you like that??....

If Rivera has success then there is nothing to worry about...it's that easy. If he fails then JJ has primed his replacement. If RR is that insecure then we don't want him here.

 

[superpunk]

Norv is bitin' at the chomp....

Cliche' King!

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I'd rather lose a good coordinator than a good sitting HC. Would you have taken Norv over Jimmy had he not left?? What if a guy like Rivera turns out to be a lights out HC? Would you want him to leave just because Garrett is being "developed"? More power to Garrett if he gets another job as a HC somewhere else as long as we got one. Youth is the way to go with the players and the coaches.....period.

Well said...I agree 100%.

This team has talent...what it needs is a young motivator and someone smart enough to utilize the talent we have.

BP brought the talent, but did nothing to motivate them and look at the results...

 

[Cliff]

I'd rather lose a good coordinator than a good sitting HC. Would you have taken Norv over Jimmy had he not left?? What if a guy like Rivera turns out to be a lights out HC? Would you want him to leave just because Garrett is being "developed"? More power to Garrett if he gets another job as a HC somewhere else as long as we got one. Youth is the way to go with the players and the coaches.....period.

no, it's NOT "period".... NEVER said i would wnat RR to split to make way for JG - you need to actually READ my statement(s).... what makes you think RR will jump at our HC position WITHOUT the power to select HIS team?!.... and if he did elect to take the position with Jerry's "potential" already in place.... well, he's NOT what i thought him to be....

 

[Cliff]

Cliche' King!

stalker

 

[superpunk]

Well said...I agree 100%.

This team has talent...what it needs is a young motivator and someone smart enough to utilize the talent we have.

BP brought the talent, but did nothing to motivate them and look at the results...

Oh, now I get it. It's all about motivation. Why don't we just hire Tony Robbins?

Motivation and fiery show are overrated. Here's what gets players motivated - knowing that their head coach prepared a game plan that can't fail - trusting him - knowing their role within their side of the ball. All the youth and ra-ra you can get your hands on can't top any of that.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

no, it's NOT "period".... NEVER said i would wnat RR to split to make way for JG - you need to actually READ my statement(s).... what makes you think RR will jump at our HC position WITHOUT the power to select HIS team?!.... and if he did elect to take the position with Jerry's "potential" already in place.... well, he's NOT what i thought him to be....

What do you mean by this?

We are in a catch 22 here. If we hire RR as HC he will not have many options to select for his coaching staff. JJ is somewhat at a crossroads to get at least a strong DC or OC in here asap.

 

[Cliff]

"Band of the Moment - The Clash"

yawwwwnnnn.... cliche

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Oh, now I get it. It's all about motivation. Why don't we just hire Tony Robbins?

Motivation and fiery show are overrated. Here's what gets players motivated - knowing that their head coach prepared a game plan that can't fail - trusting him - knowing their role within their side of the ball. All the youth and ra-ra you can get your hands on can't top any of that.

You missed the part of "smart enough" to utilize the talent we have in our players in my post...obviously robbins can't do this!

My point is that BP had all the above said gameplans in place, but look at the results. He did not motivate them to play. This game is played with passion and fire or a less talented team can beat you. I think a young, however talented/smart/fiery coach can get more then simply a coach that only lays down a nice gameplan.

 

[Cliff]

What do you mean by this?

We are in a catch 22 here. If we hire RR as HC he will not have many options to select for his coaching staff. JJ is somewhat at a crossroads to get at least a strong DC or OC in here asap.

RR will not accept the position with JG sittin' there as OC.... it's all moot, anyway - if JG signs on, it's Norv's show....

 

[Portland Fanatic]

RR will not accept the position with JG sittin' there as OC.... it's all moot, anyway - if JG signs on, it's Norv's show....

I disagree...as a HC I would want all the top coaching talent I could get around me and not be so insecure. If I succeed I have nothing to worry about.

I don't want Norv...I think this would be a big mistake.

 

[stiletto]

no, it's NOT "period".... NEVER said i would wnat RR to split to make way for JG - you need to actually READ my statement(s).... what makes you think RR will jump at our HC position WITHOUT the power to select HIS team?!.... and if he did elect to take the position with Jerry's "potential" already in place.... well, he's NOT what i thought him to be....

That's just idiotic thinking...you dont know for a fact what Jerry is thinking other than what Adam Schefter or NFL network tells you. Rivera has already stated that he'd love to get the Cowboys coaching job. The guy has pratically campaigned for it already but I suppose you'd rather have a retread like Phillips or Turner as opposed to a young 44 year old coach who has helped run one of the most dominant defenses the last two years and whom by all accounts the players absolutely LOVE? You'd rather see Jerry hire someone who has failed in the "homer" hopes that they'd be different with a star on their shirt... gimme a break...

 

[superpunk]

You missed the part of "smart enough" to utilize the talent we have in our players in my post...obviously robbins can't do this!

My point is that BP had all the above said gameplans in place, but look at the results. He did not motivate them to play. This game is played with passion and fire or a less talented team can beat you. I think a young, however talented/smart/fiery coach can get more then simply a coach that only lays down a nice gameplan.

Maybe it was Parcells, maybe they're just lazy and dumb. They'd go out there fired up, ready to play, and even acknowledged as much in interviews. (take that for what it's worth, our defensive captain waws Greg Ellis, they don't come much meeker)

There are any number of ways to motivate your players. Cowher's way, Marvin Lewis' way, Bellichick's way, etc. A fiery guy is nice, but can wear people out fast. Get a good football guy. If he's a spark plug, that's a plus - not a necessity.

 

[Cliff]

You missed the part of "smart enough" to utilize the talent we have in our players in my post...obviously robbins can't do this!

My point is that BP had all the above said gameplans in place, but look at the results. He did not motivate them to play. This game is played with passion and fire or a less talented team can beat you. I think a young, however talented/smart/fiery coach can get more then simply a coach that only lays down a nice gameplan.

not according to superman - or at least those prone to *ahem* cheerish their man of steel (hiya, punk!).... don'tcha know - one little step and *POOF* all is answered....:

that Vince Lombardi.... didn't he know all that foolish *** kickin' was soooo trivial? :

 

[stiletto]

You missed the part of "smart enough" to utilize the talent we have in our players in my post...obviously robbins can't do this!

My point is that BP had all the above said gameplans in place, but look at the results. He did not motivate them to play. This game is played with passion and fire or a less talented team can beat you. I think a young, however talented/smart/fiery coach can get more then simply a coach that only lays down a nice gameplan.

D4mn!! You and I think exactly alike Portland. good post.

 

[Cliff]

That's just idiotic thinking...you dont know for a fact what Jerry is thinking other than what Adam Schefter or NFL network tells you. Rivera has already stated that he'd love to get the Cowboys coaching job. The guy has pratically campaigned for it already but I suppose you'd rather have a retread like Phillips or Turner as opposed to a young 44 year old coach who has helped run one of the most dominant defenses the last two years and whom by all accounts the players absolutely LOVE? You'd rather see Jerry hire someone who has failed in the "homer" hopes that they'd be different with a star on their shirt... gimme a break...

boy, you are tightly wound.... it's evident - there are very few avenues left for Jerry.... news breaks - Jerry wants JG - loves his "potential".... BUT, the gig is a package deal JG/Norv.... JG, in effect becomes the PRIME answer to JJ's never-ending quest for the "it" coach.... BUT let's just suppose that JJ brings in JG absent Norv - that leads to RR - WHO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AS HC - READ MY POSTS, YOU DOLT!.... what SELF-RESPECTING man would take a gig wherein a main underling is being prime to REPLACE THEM?!?!?!
get it? got it?? good!!!

 

[Billy Bullocks]

if it is I am fine with it...I know what Turner will mean to Romo and our offense and if we have a good defensive staff, things will be fine

our team is not the Commanders or Raiders teams he coached previously

David

I hoppe you're right.

 

[stiletto]

boy, you are tightly wound.... it's evident - there are very few avenues left for Jerry.... news breaks - Jerry wants JG - loves his "potential".... BUT, the gig is a package deal JG/Norv.... JG, in effect becomes the PRIME answer to JJ's never-ending quest for the "it" coach.... BUT let's just suppose that JJ brings in JG absent Norv - that leads to RR - WHO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE AS HC - READ MY POSTS, YOU DOLT!.... what SELF-RESPECTING man would take a gig wherein a main underling is being prime to REPLACE THEM?!?!?!
get it? got it?? good!!!

Again you are just an idiot. You have no clue that Jerry is just hiring JG as a potential HC or a package deal. It's just not proven yet. You are making an assumption based on news reports which I think is totally stupid. There might be fire where there is smoke but you don't know yet. I'm sure any coach Jerry hires like JG it will be because of potential. Anyone who hires Rivera it will be because of potential not because he wants to replace him. It would be a stupid stupid move on Jerry's part to hire a coach just to replace him with Garret. If you don't think it is stupid then you are just a dumb blind homer that will support anything the organization does anyways, so there is no talking to your type.....If Rivera is hired it wont be because Jerry wants to replace him it will be because of the results he's had in Chicage...they don't lie brother...

 

[Sasquatch]

Maybe it was Parcells, maybe they're just lazy and dumb. They'd go out there fired up, ready to play, and even acknowledged as much in interviews. (take that for what it's worth, our defensive captain waws Greg Ellis, they don't come much meeker)

There are any number of ways to motivate your players. Cowher's way, Marvin Lewis' way, Bellichick's way, etc. A fiery guy is nice, but can wear people out fast. Get a good football guy. If he's a spark plug, that's a plus - not a necessity.

Tony Dungy would be a great example of "fiery" being a tad overrated.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

D4mn!! You and I think exactly alike Portland. good post.

I'm glad someone else understands my logic. I have to say at this point I'm leaning towards having Rivera as HC, and JG as OC.

Neither would be without solid assistants on the staff now. Bowles is thought of highly and would be a huge help to Rivera, and then both Sparano and Palmer would be huge in assisting JG. It's not like they would be starting from scratch without coaches that understand how to coach and know the players. Having coaches from the BP tree and Lovie tree is not a bad thing on one staff.