Ferguson and Schultz

[goshan]

Ferguson seems to have more wiggle to him after the catch. Schultz seem to be like Jason when he catches the ball he is going down to the ground instantly.

nah schultz has more wiggle

 

[goshan]

I am in 100% agreement. with CD, Parsons, coming up for renewals quickly. we may need to figure out what to do about Dak, since the last two years the salary balloons and we may have to take a huge cap hit if we decide to let him walk.

I think this is one off season move that the Joneses did right. everyone argued that Schultz is not worth more than ,8,9 10M, and we paid franchise tag that was a couple of million more. it hedged our bets. he may think he is worth more and that's his right as a player. fans and owners are entitled to their own opinions as we are. we had cap room to sign others and we just chose not to, so we can't say couple of Million hurt anything. and they waited until draft and see if they end up with a replacement. if we didn't then we know we have to keep schultz and where we stand. if we did, then you let him walk and get a 3rd or 4th round pick out of it.

I don't think he is elite. he is good. I think if ferguson ends up the same, then great. we got the replacement at a much cheaper price. if he was elite, then we would have a different discussion.

He is a top 10 TE in NFL by all expert opinions. Really don't understand the hate.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He is a top 10 TE in NFL by all expert opinions. Really don't understand the hate.

I don't get the hate, except there is money involved. those same people would be jumping up and down if he was signed lets say for 9 M, but 11M, noooooo, no way, he is stopping us from signing FAs. he is not worth it. I hate him, he is scum. he sucks.... when money is involved, people forget the football stuff.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Whether he's willing or not, the main thing is that he doesn't get the job done as need be. The end result is not good in either scenario.

I agree. he is not a good blocker. the job doesn't get done. but again, not willing vs. not able.....I don't care if a player is able, but if they are not willing, that's a sign of selfishness and a type of player that I don't want on the team.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't get the hate, except there is money involved. those same people would be jumping up and down if he was signed lets say for 9 M, but 11M, noooooo, no way, he is stopping us from signing FAs. he is not worth it. I hate him, he is scum. he sucks.... when money is involved, people forget the football stuff.

and yet people here can't figure out that what he is paid right now is not top money at 10 Mill he is 8th highest, NFL pays players yet people here want cheap contract. They called Stephen Jones cheap, Hell I would hate some here handing out contracts.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

and yet people here can't figure out that what he is paid right now is not top money at 10 Mill he is 8th highest, NFL pays players yet people here want cheap contract. They called Stephen Jones cheap, Hell I would hate some here handing out contracts.

fans have their own perception of what NFL players should get paid. usually, they don't mind other players on other teams get paid, but hate to pay our own players where they rank. Schultz is not elite. Elite money is around 15-17M for TEs these days. he is top 2 in second tier so around 11-12M is about the right price. its the Market. not perception.

with that said, hoping Ferguson works out, I think that 11-12M could go to resigning Diggs, Parsons and figuring out the Dak situation. perhaps we will splurge in FA and sign not an over the hill, still in their prime FA.

if we let Zeke walk, and money saved from not signing schultz, we should be in good shape.

 

[Doomsday101]

fans have their own perception of what NFL players should get paid. usually, they don't mind other players on other teams get paid, but hate to pay our own players where they rank. Schultz is not elite. Elite money is around 15-17M for TEs these days. he is top 2 in second tier so around 11-12M is about the right price. its the Market. not perception.

with that said, hoping Ferguson works out, I think that 11-12M could go to resigning Diggs, Parsons and figuring out the Dak situation. perhaps we will splurge in FA and sign not an over the hill, still in their prime FA.

if we let Zeke walk, and money saved from not signing schultz, we should be in good shape.

'Yeah grass is always greener on the other side. lol Schultz was 3rd in the NFL in receptions as TE, his 8 TD were 2nd most from TE position. I'm sorry all a player can do is go out on the field and produce, you either do or you don't and Schultz did. In Post season he hauled in 7 catches for 89 yards. I don't get caught up in terms of elite since my ideal of elite is very few players to reach that level. I don't know what Ferguson will do or not, he is just the new shiny object that fans flock to. For the sake of the team you bet I hope he does well. As for Schultz he has gone and did the job asked of him.

 

[Bullflop]

I agree. he is not a good blocker. the job doesn't get done. but again, not willing vs. not able.....I don't care if a player is able, but if they are not willing, that's a sign of selfishness and a type of player that I don't want on the team.

So true. Oftentimes, it boils down to a matter of having the proper training and development of your techniques to succeed as a blocker. Of course, having the size, muscle and the toughness to assert an acquired skill is necessary. Young NFL players almost always need to develop that skill. I think Dalton is still young enough to improve, if he works hard enough on his body and mental toughness to achieve it. It's not like he's a hopeless cause.

I like and respect Schultz very much for his receiving skills. Dak needs him around, as his go-to guy on third downs. Hopefully, he'll work on his strength and his blocking techniques to take his career to the next level. This offense will work far better with him than without him. I'm hoping he'll make sure to improve as is necessary for him to stick around. Hopefully, the contract he wants will be granted if he'll keep working at improving his blocks.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dalton Schultz will have the chance to prove himself, with Cooper gone I look for TE to become a bigger role. Ball is in Schultz court should be interesting to see if he can produce as one of the top TE in the league

 

[Doomsday101]

 

[Bullflop]

Dalton Schultz will have the chance to prove himself, with Cooper gone I look for TE to become a bigger role. Ball is in Schultz court should be interesting to see if he can produce as one of the top TE in the league

I'm not sure he will ever be the answer to our fondest dreams but if he's just able to improve his blocking, it would help his cause a lot.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not sure he will ever be the answer to our fondest dreams but if he's just able to improve his blocking, it would help his cause a lot.

He ranked with top TE regardless of what spin people throw out there including playing well in post season. I agree he has to improve on blocking but just as important he knows it and at least according to reports he is doing just that. He has a chance this season to show it and that is all a player can ask for is a chance to prove himself. Amongst TE 3rd in reception, 6th in yardage and 2nd in TD, what else does he have to do, other than repeat his performance

 

[Bullflop]

He ranked with top TE regardless of what spin people throw out there including playing well in post season. I agree he has to improve on blocking but just as important he knows it and at least according to reports he is doing just that. He has a chance this season to show it and that is all a player can ask for is a chance to prove himself. Amongst TE 3rd in reception, 6th in yardage and 2nd in TD, what else does he have to do, other than repeat his performance

OK, with that being the case, I'll look forward to seeing if he can improve his blocking to the extent expected of him. He needs to exhibit those traits, if he really can expect to be granted the level of contract that he so desires. I don't question his excellence in the performance of his receiving skills.

Being a one-dimensional talent, however, won't be the catalyst of being granted the excellent contract that he appears to covet. What else he has to do is just to improve his blocking to the extent of deserving the excessive amount of contract dollars that today's TE stars so automatically command. I like the guy and hope he succeeds in that goal.

 

[AKATheRake]

Too many ‘needs’ including OT and DT in the next draft
That’s the problem

Something is telling me we're going to be pretty decent at DT this year. Gallimore healthy and Osi developing. Hill looking ambitious. Our Edge pressure is there for sure.

O-line another guard or tackle. Depending on Biadasz a center. But then the line is set for another 2 years. Martin still has another top 2 seasons in him.

 

[Doomsday101]

OK, with that being the case, I'll look forward to seeing if he can improve his blocking to the extent expected of him. He needs to exhibit those traits, if he really can expect to be granted the level of contract that he so desires. I don't question his excellence in the performance of his receiving skills.

Being a one-dimensional talent, however, won't be the catalyst of being granted the excellent contract that he appears to covet. What else he has to do is to just improve his blocking to the extent of deserving the excessive amount of contract dollars that today's TE stars command.

I think he will show the improvement as a blocker after all coming out of college he was known for his blocking the question mark on him as a rookie was receiving. I also think this will be a big season for him, with WR situation as it is with young guys outside of Lamb and with Gallup injured I think Schultz will see more balls coming his way, frankly was surprised by his season last year given he played alongside 3 very good WR which can limit the opportunities. I think how Schultz plays this year will go along way in how the team fairs

 

[Bullflop]

I think he will show the improvement as a blocker after all coming out of college he was known for his blocking the question mark on him as a rookie was receiving. I also think this will be a big season for him, with WR situation as it is with young guys outside of Lamb and with Gallup injured I think Schultz will see more balls coming his way, frankly was surprised by his season last year given he played alongside 3 very good WR which can limit the opportunities. I think how Schultz plays this year will go along way in how the team fairs

My goodness, I certainly hope you're correct in your assumption that his blocking will improve to the extent whereby this front office might feel dutifully compelled to award him the riches that come with being a complete TE. I especially like what he does in the receiving aspects of his duties. What he manages to do to improve his blocking remains to be the conundrum that's yet to be proven. He's a far too valuable talent to lose.

He'll assuredly have the entirety of 2022 to display an impressive improvement in his blocking skills, from the looks of things. The real needs of reliable receiving should ensure that to be the case. I'll be pulling for him to find whatever it takes for his blocking to match the expectations of our Cowboys' staff. Otherwise, we might be left to see him depart. I surely don't want to see that and surely you don't either. I'll definitely wish him well.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

OK, with that being the case, I'll look forward to seeing if he can improve his blocking to the extent expected of him. He needs to exhibit those traits, if he really can expect to be granted the level of contract that he so desires. I don't question his excellence in the performance of his receiving skills.

Being a one-dimensional talent, however, won't be the catalyst of being granted the excellent contract that he appears to covet. What else he has to do is just to improve his blocking to the extent of deserving the excessive amount of contract dollars that today's TE stars so automatically command. I like the guy and hope he succeeds in that goal.

are you aware of his contract demands? the elite TEs with blocking and pass catching ability are around 15M. if you are less of each of those, you get less, with better pass catchers, getting paid higher. Njoku is about 13.5M. he is similar in ability according to many, and he had half schultz in production. Henry is about 12.5M and he had a lot less in production than Schultz.

probably the market has moved and fans haven't adjusted.

 

[Bullflop]

are you aware of his contract demands? the elite TEs with blocking and pass catching ability are around 15M. if you are less of each of those, you get less, with better pass catchers, getting paid higher. Njoku is about 13.5M. he is similar in ability according to many, and he had half schultz in production. Henry is about 12.5M and he had a lot less in production than Schultz.

probably the market has moved and fans haven't adjusted.

I've seen what those current contract demands consist of lately and it's why I'm concerned whether or not Schultz will be able to live up to what's required to command such riches. He's currently somewhat of a one-dimensional receiving threat that has fallen short of what this staff obviously expects to see fulfilled before granting anything in the vicinity of what an elite TE currently commands. Today's pay scales are steep, like everything else.

Schultz will likely have the entire 2022 regular season and, indeed, what might follow to prove his blocking wares. Let's hope he finds a way to live up to whatever the Dallas FO expects, before catering to an elite contract. It seems to be a reasonably fair expectation to hope for. This FO isn't one to settle for less than they expect these days with Stephen around. He won't be prone to overpaying in the way that Jerry once did. It'll work out.

 

[visionary]

Something is telling me we're going to be pretty decent at DT this year. Gallimore healthy and Osi developing. Hill looking ambitious. Our Edge pressure is there for sure.

O-line another guard or tackle. Depending on Biadasz a center. But then the line is set for another 2 years. Martin still has another top 2 seasons in him.

Gallimore is decent but has yet to put together a whole season
Osa is decent but light
Hill I would not trust in a contract year no matter how he plays. No way do I sign him to a long term deal
The Ridgeway experiment appears headed off the rails

therefore to me DT is a huge need

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I've seen what those current contract demands consist of lately and it's why I'm concerned whether or not Schultz will be able to live up to what's required to command such riches. He's currently somewhat of a one-dimensional receiving threat that has fallen short of what this staff obviously expects to see fulfilled before granting anything in the vicinity of what an elite TE currently commands. Today's pay scales are steep, like everything else.

Schultz will likely have the entire 2022 regular season and, indeed, what might follow to prove his blocking wares. Let's hope he finds a way to live up to whatever the Dallas FO expects, before catering to an elite contract. It seems to be a reasonably fair expectation to hope for. This FO isn't one to settle for less than they expect these days with Stephen around. He won't be prone to overpaying in the way that Jerry once did. It'll work out.

what is his contract demand?