Ferguson and Schultz

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I like Schultz, but if someone wants to pay big money for him, you let him walk. Good player, not great. Not worth great money.

I wish someone could get into his head and help him realize that he's going to be rich either way, and a nice 8-9 mil/season salary would be about right for him.

I am in 100% agreement. with CD, Parsons, coming up for renewals quickly. we may need to figure out what to do about Dak, since the last two years the salary balloons and we may have to take a huge cap hit if we decide to let him walk.

I think this is one off season move that the Joneses did right. everyone argued that Schultz is not worth more than ,8,9 10M, and we paid franchise tag that was a couple of million more. it hedged our bets. he may think he is worth more and that's his right as a player. fans and owners are entitled to their own opinions as we are. we had cap room to sign others and we just chose not to, so we can't say couple of Million hurt anything. and they waited until draft and see if they end up with a replacement. if we didn't then we know we have to keep schultz and where we stand. if we did, then you let him walk and get a 3rd or 4th round pick out of it.

I don't think he is elite. he is good. I think if ferguson ends up the same, then great. we got the replacement at a much cheaper price. if he was elite, then we would have a different discussion.

 

[OmerV]

I like Schultz, but if someone wants to pay big money for him, you let him walk. Good player, not great. Not worth great money.

I wish someone could get into his head and help him realize that he's going to be rich either way, and a nice 8-9 mil/season salary would be about right for him.

Problem is lesser TE's are getting contracts for $11-12 million/year. I can't blame Schultz for wanting at least that. NFL careers are limited and can end with one injury, so it's understandable for players to want to make what they can while they have the kind of earning potential they will never have again.

That said, if Ferguson works out well and seems capable of replacing what Schultz can do, that hurts Schultz negotiating position with the Cowboys, and I wouldn't blame the Cowboys for deciding not to pay Schultz. Both sides are just looking for the best value they can get.

I'm afraid some here may be jumping the gun a bit with Ferguson though. Still just preseason, so he has a lot left to prove. Admittedly I have been stricken by how much he looks like Schultz in body build, how he catches the ball and running after the catch.

 

[kskboys]

Not if Ferguson can be the same security blanket. We should not paying guys to be Daks pacifier!

All QB's need pacifiers. No exceptions.

 

[kskboys]

Well, Fergy is willing to block, whereas, Schultz, not so much! The receiving aspects are fairly similar, though. Not a bad pick, actually.

Has nothing to do w/ willingness.

 

[Bullflop]

Has nothing to do w/ willingness.

That's simply a matter of opinion. I happen to believe that it does.

Some are willing to put their bodies at risk -- others, not so much.

Many will take bad angles specifically to avoid the harder contact.

 

[Praxit]

...i get a feeling Fergs is going to steal the show.

 

[TwoDeep3]

@CowboysFaninHouston started this thread to inform us that we had two good TE's that could give defenses trouble. I've posted that Ferguson is Shultz replacement, because I wanted us to save the money for our more important stars. So I'm not crying about little results. Where the heck did you get that from. Talk about not understanding the central point. I never said Shultz was not producing. I never said they paid him too much. I basically said we need to keep that 10 million of his to get better in other areas or keep our current stars. My post and my desires are very easy to comprehend to most, but what is your desired handling of Shultz next year? You can't even communicate your intentions properly and that's why I have to ask a direct question.

If you think I'm crying about Shultz's production or his pay, you're wrong. So you put words in my mouth then tell me I don't understand what I'm talking about. How idiotic is that? I will delete my account if you can highlight in any of my post, in this thread, where I complained about his pay or his production. So yeah, I think it's you that's missing the central point, cause I just changed it. The new central point is... learn how to read exactly what someone wrote instead of injecting your words in their post.

You brought up Schultz's pay. To suggest you made no comment ignores exactly what you posted. The implicit meaning behind no need to pay Schultz big money, in the light of him being on a one year contract, thus to retain him means giving him big money, either by re-upping him as a one year tag, or signing him long term to big money. Either way it will still will be big money.

The "no need" in your statement encompasses both his pay and evidently his production since you are willing to allow him to walk for a player that broke one tackle in a pre-season game, and a guy on the PS..

It is only a matter of time before people will be whining about Micah's paycheck. As certain as grass is green,

By the way, this quote below is a copy of the third or fourth post in this thread, and it is attributed to you. I highlighted the part where you mentioned Schultz's pay. I also highlighted where you said I put words in your mouth. Just expand the above quote to remind you.

No need to leave. We're still Cowboy fans.

No need to pay Shultz big money next year. We have his replacement here already. Let Hendershot sit a year on the practice squad and there you go. Ferguson, Hendershot, and McKeon are our TE's next year.

If Dallas wants to be smart about the cap, this is what they'll do.

 

[Pass2Run]

Over and over? Really when was this? Because we haven't had a top ten defense year in year out since Parcells left.

Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts had all of the offensive weapons a QB could want. Yet they only won one SB. You really think Dak is better than Manning? So you can load up on the offense and still struggle to win it all.

Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys.
Warren Moon and the Houston Oilers.
Boomer Esiason and the Cincinnati Bengals.
Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins.
Dante Culpepper and the Minnesota Vikings.
Philip Rivers and the San Diego chargers.

So you keep thinking like Jerry Jones...offense, offense, offense, and we'll keep struggling to get to the NFCCG.

We were top ten last year.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

You brought up Schultz's pay. To suggest you made no comment ignores exactly what you posted. The implicit meaning behind no need to pay Schultz big money, in the light of him being on a one year contract, thus to retain him means giving him big money, either by re-upping him as a one year tag, or signing him long term to big money. Either way it will still will be big money.

The "no need" in your statement encompasses both his pay and evidently his production since you are willing to allow him to walk for a player that broke one tackle in a pre-season game, and a guy on the PS..

It is only a matter of time before people will be whining about Micah's paycheck. As certain as grass is green,

By the way, this quote below is a copy of the third or fourth post in this thread, and it is attributed to you. I highlighted the part where you mentioned Schultz's pay. I also highlighted where you said I put words in your mouth. Just expand the above quote to remind you.

No need to leave. We're still Cowboy fans.

Wow. You are absolutely bonkers. I truly believe no one else in this thread thinks I was speaking bad about Shultz production. The guy had around 80 catches and for a TE that's damn good. I have never seen anyone talk bad about Shultz's receiving skills. Those who have something bad to say about Shultz always mention his blocking.

So again, I'm not saying anything bad about Shultz, I'd just rather that money go somewhere else. Like I've said before....the TE position and the RB position are two positions I would not pay big bucks too. When Ferguson's contract is up, if he wants 13 million a year...then he can walk too. It's just not Shultz it's the TE position itself. Now do you understand, because I can't explain it any better.

Gronkowski I would not have paid him.
Witten I would not have paid him.
Jimmy Graham, I would not have paid him.
Tony Gonzalez I wouldn't have paid him.


It's not the player... It's the position.
Learn how to read and comprehend.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

We were top ten last year.

You know what I want for Christmas... A top 10 defense and a great offensive line. Just saying... wouldn't that be nice.

 

[Runwildboys]

Problem is lesser TE's are getting contracts for $11-12 million/year. I can't blame Schultz for wanting at least that. NFL careers are limited and can end with one injury, so it's understandable for players to want to make what they can while they have the kind of earning potential they will never have again.

That said, if Ferguson works out well and seems capable of replacing what Schultz can do, that hurts Schultz negotiating position with the Cowboys, and I wouldn't blame the Cowboys for deciding not to pay Schultz. Both sides are just looking for the best value they can get.

I'm afraid some here may be jumping the gun a bit with Ferguson though. Still just preseason, so he has a lot left to prove. Admittedly I have been stricken by how much he looks like Schultz in body build, how he catches the ball and running after the catch.

Am I crazy for hoping they keep two very good TEs?

 

[OmerV]

Am I crazy for hoping they keep two very good TEs?

That never seems to cross anyone's mind, does it?

Of course, if salary cap gets to be an issue, and one of those two is pretty expensive that could be a place the team chooses to save money, but generally speaking, I agree. If there is a way to have a couple of strong TE's that would be a good thing. It adds wrinkles to the offense, and things for the opponent to prepare for, with a defense not knowing which is blocking and which is running a route, or if both are blocking or both are running a route.

 

[kskboys]

That's simply a matter of opinion. I happen to believe that it does.

Some are willing to put their bodies at risk -- others, not so much.

Many will take bad angles specifically to avoid the harder contact.

Then you are not paying attention to Schultz. He's a gamer, a try hard player. He's not the type to not be willing to block.

I agree that is the case w/ some players.

 

[Bullflop]

Then you are not paying attention to Schultz. He's a gamer, a try hard player. He's not the type to not be willing to block.

I agree that is the case w/ some players.

Oh, please -- my comment about willingness to block was a generally encompassing fact that had nothing to do with any one individual. We all know it takes more than one man to resolve the shortcomings of an entire offense. Schultz has been a great receiver but that cannot be said of his blocking acumen. Guys like Ferguson and Noah Brown will be relied upon largely for that task to be successfully accomplished. Schultz, not quite so much.

Let's just say Schultz will do his part on the receiving end of things and leave it to others to do more in the blocking department. If Schultz manages to improve his blocking, maybe he'll be retained beyond the upcoming season. Well see in due time. I like him plenty for his support of Dak. That's surely to his credit in a big way. The money that Schultz might command has Stephen tied in knots as the time comes to re-sign him. It's running out, though.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Ferguson is more than capable taking over for Schultz. But the going rate for a TE these days is around 10 million. Maybe a bit overpriced. But we will have to pay that if we want to keep Schultz.

 

[AsthmaField]

I love Ferguson and I’ve been harping on how good I think he’ll be since before the draft… but I’d like to keep him and Shultz next season if possible. I like Dalton’s game a lot.

I do think that Ferguson has a chance the be the better if the two though.

 

[ghst187]

Can’t really tell the difference honestly…

 

[fairviewfarmer]

No need to pay Shultz big money next year. We have his replacement here already. Let Hendershot sit a year on the practice squad and there you go. Ferguson, Hendershot, and McKeon are our TE's next year.

If Dallas wants to be smart about the cap, this is what they'll do.

Hendershot will be claimed by another team ,if the boys waive him and try to sneak him onto the practice squad. Jmo.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Oh, please -- my comment about willingness to block was a generally encompassing fact that had nothing to do with any one individual. We all know it takes more than one man to resolve the shortcomings of an entire offense. Schultz has been a great receiver but that cannot be said of his blocking acumen. Guys like Ferguson and Noah Brown will be relied upon largely for that task to be successfully accomplished. Schultz, not quite so much.

Let's just say Schultz will do his part on the receiving end of things and leave it to others to do more in the blocking department. If Schultz manages to improve his blocking, maybe he'll be retained beyond the upcoming season. Well see in due time. I like him plenty for his support of Dak. That's surely to his credit in a big way. The money that Schultz might command has Stephen tied in knots as the time comes to re-sign him. It's running out, though.

its not that schultz doesn't want to block (ala Jarwin), its just that he is not good at it. he is willing, but not able. there is a big difference.

 

[Bullflop]

its not that schultz doesn't want to block (ala Jarwin), its just that he is not good at it. he is willing, but not able. there is a big difference.

Whether he's willing or not, the main thing is that he doesn't get the job done as need be. The end result is not good in either scenario.