Final Dak thread - How many QBs in NFL would you want instead

[Prime21]

One thing I cannot figure out. Do the Daksters think his college career, getting drafted in the 4th, 7th QB taken and 3rd choice of the team that took him, is just an anomaly and he was just hanging back until he got to the NFL?

I watch a lot of college ball, specifically SEC ball as I am unfortunate enough to be a Hog, and Dak in his senior year, his Heisman list year, looked exactly as he did this past season. It is his challenge with accuracy consistently, the same problem a lot of QB's have, including Keenum, that put him in the 4th round.

No team, not one, had him as anything but a backup, and QB is the one position every team's scouts dissect closely and all had him in the 4th or later. No QB can be inaccurate and play in the NFL. It doesn't matter the good throws he will make, it is the others that are a concern.

I'll give him this season, as if I have a choice, but when a QB has technical issues, how many ever really fix that? And while we notice the problem, the DC's he will face drill down on that.

If I were the GM, I would take a QB in round 3 or up. It may be his job to lose but I'd send the message who he might lose it to and Rush isn't a threat. He's still cheap and the time to find out is this season.

Dak also had off the field problems. DUI and a got into a fight in Mexico. This pushed him down more.

He was 3rd round talent. Interviewed well given his circumstance. Has some moxy and it factor about. He needs to be able to post snap process information faster and cut the ball loose. Easier said than done.

 

[CouchCoach]

Dak also had off the field problems. DUI and a got into a fight in Mexico. This pushed him down more.

He was 3rd round talent. Interviewed well given his circumstance. Has some moxy and it factor about. He needs to be able to post snap process information faster and cut the ball loose. Easier said than done.

It certainly is and I recall when Parcells made that comment on Romo "wait until they get enough film on him".

I feel the other challenge for him is that his coaching staff is over matched by the competition. They're better at finding his warts, exposing and exploiting them than his own staff is at helping him overcome them.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

This might be best way to sum up where we are with Dak. Taking all 32 teams and saying if Dak is better than their starter (or in case of Philly their backup)

Washington - Cousins - NO
Giants - Eli - Tie
Eagles - Wentz/Foles - NO to both
Bears - Trubisky - Yes
Packers - Rodgers - NO
Lions - Stafford - NO
Vikings - Keenum - Yes
Saints - Brees - NO
Falcons - Ryan - NO
Panthers - Cam - NO
SF - Garoppolo- NO
Seattle - Russel - NO
Rams - Goff - NO
Arizona - Skelton - Yes
Bucs - Jameis- NO
Bills - Tyrod - Yes
Dolphins - Tannehill/Cutler - Yes
Jets - McCown - NO
Pats - Brady - hahahaha
Bengals - Dalton - Yes
Browns - Kizer - Yes
Steelers - Roethlisberger - NO (this is who I want Dak to pattern his game after)
Ravens - Flacco - NO
Titans - Mariota - Tie
Texans - Watson - Yes (Don’t have enough info on Watson and haven’t seen if he can throw)
Jags - Bortles - Tie
Colts - Luck - NO (if Luck is healthy but Dak is better than Brisset.)
KC - Smith - NO
Denver - Lynch/Osweiler/Siemian - Yes
Oakland - Carr - NO
LA - Rivers - NO

So after that scan Dak is about 21st in the league. And anyone that begs to differ don’t use his rookie year numbers. I’m looking at decision making and arm talent. Find me video of Dak’s passes and decisions being better.

Your rankings are off. You would take Winston over Dak? You have him tied with Bortles, Eli, Mariota....... Which 2 of those just made the conference championship. Eli got benched for Geno.

Funny how you Dak haters always say....... You can't use this stat or that stat.

 

[tyke1doe]

Winston is a turd. I was high on him but he shows no real improvement at all and shows a real lack of any decision making at all on Sundays.

Mariotta is a better QB than him.

I think Winston's raw tools are better than Dak's. Dak is more mature, though.

 

[OmerV]

This is the final Dak thread? Really?

 

[Parcells4Life]

Your rankings are off. You would take Winston over Dak? You have him tied with Bortles, Eli, Mariota....... Which 2 of those just made the conference championship. Eli got benched for Geno.

Funny how you Dak haters always say....... You can't use this stat or that stat.

Because I don’t use numbers when evaluating the QB for this exercise. Have you watched Jameis actually throw? He can really spin it. Bortles has a great arm but I think his decision making has been hurt by his failures the first 3 years. He lost his aggression yesterday.

You can’t tell me comparing videos of Dak and the other guys throwing you’d rather have Dak.

BTW Eli got benched so they could tank further. Then the players revolted and they had to put him back in.

 

[CouchCoach]

This is the final Dak thread? Really?

It is if you do not count the thousands to follow.

 

[OmerV]

It is if you do not count the thousands to follow.

Hell, I'm not even counting this one.

 

[JustChip]

Throw Tyrod in there to. He runs better and has a better arm. Same accuracy issues though.

Tyrod's decision-making is suspect at best. He'd too quick to forego progressions and take off running. He should be much better given that he's been around for 5 or so years. You'd be essentially getting Dak.

 

[Idgit]

What I like best about this thread is how adorable it is that OP thought I would be a 'final' Dak thread. We'll have three more by supper.

 

[LocimusPrime]

I think Dak can be an average qb, if he works hard in the off season, really concentrates in the film room, gets his mechanics down, and perhaps some personal qb training from Wentz - how to read defenses and such.

If we can get him some proper coaching, I don't see why he couldn't develop into a Bortles/ Kaepernick/ Rg3 type guy.


Jk jk jk - kinda

 

[csirl]

Washington - Cousins - NO
Giants - Eli - Yes
Eagles - Wentz/Foles - NO to both
Bears - Trubisky - Tie
Packers - Rodgers - NO
Lions - Stafford - NO
Vikings - Keenum - Tie
Saints - Brees - NO
Falcons - Ryan - NO
Panthers - Cam - NO
SF - Garoppolo- NO
Seattle - Russel - NO
Rams - Goff - NO
Arizona - Skelton - Yes
Bucs - Jameis- NO
Bills - Tyrod - Yes
Dolphins - Tannehill/Cutler - No
Jets - McCown - NO
Pats - Brady - NO
Bengals - Dalton - NO
Browns - Kizer - Yes
Steelers - Roethlisberger - NO
Ravens - Flacco - NO
Titans - Mariota - Tie
Texans - Watson - Tie
Jags - Bortles - Tie
Colts - Luck - NO
KC - Smith - NO
Denver - Lynch/Osweiler/Siemian - Yes
Oakland - Carr - NO
LA - Rivers - NO

Only 5 worse QBs ?

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

One thing I cannot figure out. Do the Daksters think his college career, getting drafted in the 4th, 7th QB taken and 3rd choice of the team that took him, is just an anomaly and he was just hanging back until he got to the NFL?...

No team, not one, had him as anything but a backup, and QB is the one position every team's scouts dissect closely and all had him in the 4th or later. No QB can be inaccurate and play in the NFL. It doesn't matter the good throws he will make, it is the others that are a concern....

Thank you. You pretty much said it all. The sum total of the resources the Cowboys have devoted to the most important position in football is a late fourth round draft pick. They got exactly what they paid for.

These are the resource allocation decisions killing the team. I'll be shocked if Dak is the QB for the Cowboys 5 years from now.

 

[75boyz]

Romo could always throw the ball down the field and into tight windows, he would have been better than Bledsoe even if he started as a rookie. QB's can either throw or they can't, that is what we are about to find out about Dak in year 3. Year 3 will provide all the answers.

This.
You may not have responded to my past post or 2 regarding Daks inconsistent accuracy, but I share your hopefully optimistic wait and see approach.

Unfortunately, my gut is leaning towards there being a continued regression.

Come on Quarterback Coach!...Please prove me wrong as I'l take my crow served in any way necessary.

 

[khiladi]

Throw Tyrod in there to. He runs better and has a better arm. Same accuracy issues though.

Haven’t seen him much, to make an assessment.. but I’ll take your word for it..

 

[cowboyec]

only 1.....Tom Brady.

 

[cowboyec]

Oh great, let's all repeat our schtick about Dak AGAIN!!!!!!!

which one?
mine:"2 yrs in...22wins,2 winning seasons,1 div title...12-4 on the road...6-2 in december."

or theirs:"he sucks....the eagles are too strong and scarey.....blah blah,blah."

 

[LocimusPrime]

The mob came after me when I suggested that Cousins and wentz where better than Dak. Then I took it to another level and suggest that Foles might better too

Nothing we can do about except hope that he improves and shows all his critics they were wrong

 

[Fletch]

Weeden in his brief stint here was like Dak this year. Guy threw at 72% and he had Martin with neck issues and i don’t even think he played with Leary, who only played 4 games at all and wasn’t healthy that year.

Dak is a checkdown QB going back to college.. he also doesn’t see the whole field well. It’s why Linehan has him in shotgun with WR spread wide to keep everything in front of him and bootlegs as a staple, the latter limiting him to half the field.

And this is why it’s prudent that Dak gets another year to prove the second half of this season was not things to come.

 

[LocimusPrime]