Finish sending the message, some players have to be cut today!

[BigDFan5]

Newsflash!!! Dallas sends message:

OT Andre Douglas has been cut.



Nope, I never heard of him either . . .

 

[Dodger12]

The Leon Lett was FOS or stoned because everyone knew there was no chance he was getting cut

Name ONE good player Jimmy ever cut to "send a message"

Look, I'm only telling you the way the players said it was back then. There's no debating that Johnson ran the team through fear and intimidation. By many accounts, the guy was a jerk. There have been articles posted here about Jimmy's antics and Nate mentioned the same on several occassion on his radio show.

"You can't make the club in the tub" was the line Johnson used. Those were his words. And when players would see Jimmy Smith, a 2nd round pick, get cut, those are messages.

Please, you morons act like Jimmy cut the Lett's of the world. He cut a couple of POS players(my memory fails but it may have been just one) after a game (OBTW, a guy that was gonna be cut anyway)and you all go running to that example. He let the Irvin's of they world do what ever the **** they wanted to do, so pull your head out.

Hey, try listening to Michael Irvin or Nate Newton on ESPN 103; they'll tell you first hand about how things ran back then. If Nate said he feared getting cut, then I believe him. The same thing was relayed about Leon. Jimmy's response duing interviews was "of course I'm not going to cut Leon Lett." The point was about the atmosphere at VR.

And as for the players conduct, Johnson ran the same type of wild team at Miami but they won. That wa sall he cared about.

 

[joseephuss]

Look, I'm only telling you the way the players said it was back then. There's no debating that Johnson ran the team through fear and intimidation. By many accounts, the guy was a jerk. There have been articles posted here about Jimmy's antics and Nate mentioned the same on several occassion on his radio show.

"You can't make the club in the tub" was the line Johnson used. Those were his words. And when players would see Jimmy Smith, a 2nd round pick, get cut, those are messages.

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That may have been a message, but just to clarify it wasn't a message sent by Jimmy Johnson. Smith was cut prior to the 1994 season when Jimmy Johnson was already gone. I remember reading a news article quoting Jimmy Smith telling the story about going into a meeting with Jerry and Switzer. I believe they asked him to either take a pay cut or get released.

 

[Arch Stanton]

I guess players didn't get the message when TO was cut. They'll get it when Courtney Brown does....loud and clear!

 

[LarryCanadian]

Well, IMHO, cutting a guy the day after a critical fumble, etc does get the attention of a squad, newbie or veteran. Isn't that what Johnson did with that RB? The stars always get away with murder.

There has been some major messages sent already with respect to player attitudes/leadership or whatever you want to call it (maybe value in terms of level of pay compared to salary/bonus cost).

I would say Pac Man, TO, Tank, Ellis all being let go sent that message.

The message I think some people want to send is that consistently making costly mistakes as a fringe player ain't gonna cut it. I think Wade should have done this once or twice earlier, but that is just an opinion. Sometimes making an example can pay off, sometimes it backfires. Hindsight is usually 20/20 though obviously.

There is one side of the "message" that is sometimes overlooked. That is the message that maybe "Isn't" being sent to the dude NOT making consistent mistakes and that is showing some tangible growth week to week, albeit likely very slowly. This is why I am ecstatic that they put Ogletree in with starters the 3rd game, and that they moved him up the 2nd. That is a great message. You make plays, you get playing time. We haven't seen a ton of that during the Wade tenure for probably a number of reasons (maybe young guys weren't stepping up enough). It IS motivating for a guy to move up the depth chart, even temporarily as a reward for getting better. It is confidence boosting. You can send a message as well by pulling a guy out for a few plays too. Actually, the mistake and your out system in training camp worked pretty well, at least until Columbo said "I don't think so" hehe.

Certainly more messages of both sort this year for sure. Just not as dramatic or drastic as Jimmy might have done, but then Wade really isn't the attention seeker drama queen type.

I'm guessing signing Preston to the Oline sent a message to about 4 or 5 guys there along the line, most especially Procter and Holland, but also to Gibbons and Bright (I think that is the fellow Wade was talking about - he hasn't been rewarded with much playing time - maybe a hide on PS type guy).

LarryCanadian

 

[Alexander]

Besides, if it was silly as you say it is Hostile, how come this is the most viewed and commented post in awhile? Has over 2200 views, best I remember.

Car accidents and train wrecks gather crowds too.

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

I met All Pro offensive guard John Wooten, and gave him a yellow packet with some notes on a specific famous formation now in the NFL. In fact, the person that had wrote the article on the formation play, was with the Cowboys at the current time. Coach Landy installed that formation a week or so later telling the former head coach to install that formation.

Can you clarify this, because it might be interesting information? Was the author with them then or now? Who's the "former head coach"? Hackett?

I also got a $52 ticket from a police officer for supposedly going through a yellow light, the bus pulled right out in front of me, while i was going downtown to the cowboys headquarters in my car, so when i went under the traffic light it turned yellow, then red, a policeman standing on the sidewalk, that I didnt see because he was besides the bus, pulled me over and gave me a ticket. I was really ticked off at him, because the bus pulled right out in front of me through the traffic light.

Not to pile on, but what significance does your traffic record have regarding cutting players? Had the Cowboys paid the ticket/expunged your record like they upgraded your season tickets, now that would have been impressive.

Thanks, Hos, for the tip on the quote separation. It's obvious, really, when you think about it.

 

[adbutcher]

Car accidents and train wrecks gather crowds too.

 

[Dodger12]

Smith was cut prior to the 1994 season when Jimmy Johnson was already gone.

You're correct and thanks for the clarification. The only point I was trying to make was the mindset of players back then and I don't know how anyone can debate the fact that Jimmy was a tyrant and players feared him. It worked for him back then but I'm not sure it would work in todays NFL. Thanks again.

 

[joseephuss]

You're correct and thanks for the clarification. The only point I was trying to make was the mindset of players back then and I don't know how anyone can debate the fact that Jimmy was a tyrant and players feared him. It worked for him back then but I'm not sure it would work in todays NFL. Thanks again.

You are welcome. Some say that had Jimmy stayed with Dallas that his methods may not have worked for more than a couple of seasons. After that they may have grown tired of him and not played for him. It is hard to say if that would have happened, but I can understand that line of thinking..

 

[Doomsday101]

You are welcome. Some say that had Jimmy stayed with Dallas that his methods may not have worked for more than a couple of seasons. After that they may have grown tired of him and not played for him. It is hard to say if that would have happened, but I can understand that line of thinking..

True. I like Jimmy and it is different when his players were young trying to get to the next level much of his actions opened eyes as they got to the next level and became vets a lot of the things Jimmy did would start to wear thin with the team. If you look at Jimmy career he is a 5 year coach he has stayed no where longer than that. I'm not knocking him but I never saw him in the same light as Landry who did not throw tantrums but was steady as a rock year in and year out there was no show Landry needed to put on for the team

 

[cowboyjoe]

True. I like Jimmy and it is different when his players were young trying to get to the next level much of his actions opened eyes as they got to the next level and became vets a lot of the things Jimmy did would start to wear thin with the team. If you look at Jimmy career he is a 5 year coach he has stayed no where longer than that. I'm not knocking him but I never saw him in the same light as Landry who did not throw tantrums but was steady as a rock year in and year out there was no show Landry needed to put on for the team

totally agree Doomsday, Jimmy was a 5 year coach, wears thin on players, but hey, he could build teams, the Miami Hurricaines and the Cowboys were super teams

 

[poke]

Besides, if it was silly as you say it is Hostile, how come this is the most viewed and commented post in awhile? Has over 2200 views, best I remember.

151 replies, 99% of them telling you they think your "message sending"
is silly...yet somehow it makes you feel validated ?

if there was a "mercy rule" on posting like there is in little league
this thread would have been closed long ago.