Finish sending the message, some players have to be cut today!

[jchap]

We can't cut Proctor! It would break up Free Reign

 

[cowboyjoe]

if you apply a standard to the team than you have to be able to live with it...

your's is make a stupid mistake and get cut...but in the end everyone is going to make a mistake Joe even multiple mistakes.[/QUOTE]

Your misunderstanding me. I am not saying cut everyone or set a standard per par. That would be stupid to cut someone every time that make a mistake.

I think we all agree that Courtney Brown is on thin ice and so is Stanback.

By cutting one of them or both, you send a message to the team, you won't put up with sloppy playing or dumb mistakes or the continual penalty mistakes.

That gets the attention of the team, makes them focus more.

Is Stanback or Brown or Proctor ever going to be an all pro or great player. I dont think so. I think you would agree with me on that. And if you read my post, you might have read where I said on players making mistakes, like Columbo did, when he jumped offsides. I said, Columbo produces and plays hard. What you might do is, during practice, if he jumps offsides, you have him do extra laps or have the whole offensive line do extra laps.

Remember, when Jimmy Johnson first came here, and all pro Nate Newton would do same in practice. Jimmy made the whole offensive line do extra reps, till they got it right. Thats what I am saying, you correct the mistakes some way and you send a message to the team, that your not a good ole boy as head coach anymore, but your going to make them work, when they mess up. Make the players accountable in some form or fashion.

 

[Alexander]

Is Courtney Brown or Stanback or Proctor a NFL caliber player like Irvin. No! So, by cutting a player like one of them you send that message. You keep hammering that home, till the players get it through their thick head, to keep their head in the ball game.

What message?

If you aren't very good and make mistakes in preseason, you will get cut?

I think the players already know this, especially at this time of year.

This idea you have really only has the effect you are talking about if the team is playing games that count.

Messages can be sent by cutting a Curvin Richards or trading a John Roper when there is something significant at stake. Johnson made an impact then because the team was preparing for the playoffs (in the case of Richards) and that mistakes wouldn't be tolerated. What team doesn't have players that make mistakes in preseason? That's why they have the games not count in the first place.

Someone might care about Proctor or Brown because they've been around a while, but this is the time of year where you end up seeing people come and go.

 

[Hostile]

If you cut Brown or Stanback or say traded Proctor, you send a message to the team, that your not going to put up with stupid mistakes. If you don't send some message, then your doing the opposite, everything is oke dokey and don't worry. I am good ole wade, and I won't cut you. So, why would you worry or practice harder or play harder or concentrate better.

You can cut Rudy Carpenter, but that wouldnt send a message that your going to correct mistakes or sloppy playing. In other words, I will use your own words hostile, your allowing placating pissy players to remain on the team and not do their job. In that way, your allowing penalties to continue and not correct them. For example, what did you do to Brown that made the sloppy play with his interference on the wr, or what did you do to proctor with the bad exchange between himself and kitna. You have to show the players that your not going to put up with mistakes. Remember, what did wade say, we are going to do it the right way, and the cowboy players said, we're going to do it the cowboy way.


See above!

Oh, I got it now Hostile, the cowboys are going to keep allowing penalties, dumb plays, so the Cowboys will keep losing games, especially during critical games.

With proctor, I say wait till the day or 2 before the last cut, a team's starting og or center might go down, and a team might make a trade for him. To me, proctor has some value in a trade.



I never said cut watkins yet, he is still on the roster due to his special teams play. That could change friday night with hodge finally playing possibly. And if the Cowboys still have their eyes on keith davis as I think they do. I am talking football here Hostile. Not trying to please any fans or myself, but what I feel is good for the team.

Is there even any hope that you would ask about how to split the quotes? Once again I had to go back and edit your post so it makes some sense. I explained it once in this thread. Take some time to learn it please. This translation crap is brutal.

As to your responses I don't care about any of them enough to say anything but this, the original idea was ridiculous. It remains ridiculous, and I completely dismiss it as a worthless stunt.

You send a message to a team by releasing a Terrell Owens. No one on the team is going to get any message from releasing a Courtney Brown. There's nothing shocking about it. You release a Terrell Owens the players say, "whoa, are you kidding?" You release an Isaiah Stanback and the players say, "I expected that."

Utterly ridiculous and not rising above that level

 

[Hostile]

I would keep Carpenter. Let him play most of the Minnesota game. Throw it to Stanback a lot, who cares.

I know I don't want Romo playing much nor Kitna for that matter. McGee's health has to factor into this a little. If he's not able to play, I see no reason to expose our other healthy QBs.

I think our two roster spots might just be I.R. moves (Williams and Brewster).

I am pretty sure you are exactly right on the two roster moves. It sure sends a powerful message doesn't it?

I hate the idea of actually seeing Carpenter in a Cowboys uniform in the game, but ultimately I don't mind if he takes a few licks.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I am pretty sure you are exactly right on the two roster moves. It sure sends a powerful message doesn't it?

I hate the idea of actually seeing Carpenter in a Cowboys uniform in the game, but ultimately I don't mind if he takes a few licks.

In all of the highlights or low lights of Rudy I have seen he's good at taking hits. :laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

Ok, wade and jerry jones started out good at the start of the year, releasing pacman, tank johnson, tony curtis-whom writers say has lost interest in playing football, T O and greg ellis.

There was stupid mistakes as you all know last night. Proctor was called for holding that negated a field goal, and then either he or kitna fumbled the snap.

Courtney Brown had a sure touchdown but didnt drive through for that interception, then committed a stupid penalty.

which was all set up by stanback fumbling, and his poor performance last night. One of stanbacks comments covered about if he was on the hot seat or not of bubble in wr openings and could be cut. Stanback remarked he wasnt worried if he was with this team or not. That is the wrong attitude.

YOU could look at both players eyes last night browns and stanbacks and see lost confidence etc. You cant allow that on your team.

Finally, the moose daryl said it last night, the 49ers were a good tackling team, because they had physical practices with pads on every day except for 3-4 days. The moose went on to say that teams are going back to being more physical, contradictary to what wade said about being physical and playing in the heat etc to get your players ready.

The cowboys led in penalities again last night!

If you dont tackle in practice, how can you get your players ready. To top that off, we all know how roy williams almost got hurt because in a goal line drill, no pads were on.

Wade had better wake up. Send that message and take note yourself wade, you cant get these players ready for the season, if you dont allow them to tackle.

Dallas tackles about as much as any team out there. Wade it not going to get his team beat up at practice

 

[cowboyjoe]

Best I remember alexander, you cant put brewster on the cut list, till the last cut, then you can put him on ir. Thats what I remember reading best to my memory. A writer wrote about that a few days ago.

 

[Hostile]

Best I remember alexander, you cant put brewster on the cut list, till the last cut, then you can put him on ir. Thats what I remember reading best to my memory. A writer wrote about that a few days ago.

If you put him on IR, he's no longer on the active list and it counts the exact same as making a roster cut.

Neither Robert Brewster nor Brandon Williams have been place don IR yet though both will miss the entire season.

We are at 77 players and need to be at 75 by tomorrow. Placing them on IR puts us at...hold your hat...75.

If you are saying no one can be place don IR until the last cuts please explain why other teams have already done it?

 

[Alexander]

I am pretty sure you are exactly right on the two roster moves. It sure sends a powerful message doesn't it?

I hate the idea of actually seeing Carpenter in a Cowboys uniform in the game, but ultimately I don't mind if he takes a few licks.

At this point, it doesn't make sense to try to send "messages". Players already know the drill at this time of year--Don't Play Well, Get Cut.

We are getting beat up at a bad time. It makes more sense to let the injuries calm down and use the disposable bodies at least for a week.

I feel pretty confident we will keep some players longer than intended just for that purpose. We will take our 53 into Tampa, but I would be surprised if that group remains intact after that first game. I expect some veteran acquisitions after that first game so we aren't on the hook for the whole year.

 

[Hostile]

At this point, it doesn't make sense to try to send "messages". Players already know the drill at this time of year--Don't Play Well, Get Cut.

We are getting beat up at a bad time. It makes more sense to let the injuries calm down and use the disposable bodies at least for a week.

I feel pretty confident we will keep some players longer than intended just for that purpose. We will take our 53 into Tampa, but I would be surprised if that group remains intact after that first game. I expect some veteran acquisitions after that first game so we aren't on the hook for the whole year.

Couldn't have said it better if I had wanted to.

How'd you do that?

 

[Alexander]

Best I remember alexander, you cant put brewster on the cut list, till the last cut, then you can put him on ir. Thats what I remember reading best to my memory. A writer wrote about that a few days ago.

From the official site a few weeks ago:

The Cowboys will be unable to place Brewster on injured reserve until the team trims the roster from 80 to 75 after the third preseason game.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Rudy Carpenter is a player that can take hits, thats one big thing in his favor, in college rudy would take the hits, for the benefit of the team to win.

In time, with experience, rudy might be a serviceable QB, but will take time.

As far as pure QB, with the intangibles, rudy doesnt have that, but some QBs with time have developed into adequate QBs.

 

[casmith07]

If you put him on IR, he's no longer on the active list and it counts the exact same as making a roster cut.

Neither Robert Brewster nor Brandon Williams have been place don IR yet though both will miss the entire season.

We are at 77 players and need to be at 75 by tomorrow. Placing them on IR puts us at...hold your hat...75.

If you are saying no one can be place don IR until the last cuts please explain why other teams have already done it?

Stop....making.....sense!

 

[cowboyjoe]

As to your responses I don't care about any of them enough to say anything but this, the original idea was ridiculous. It remains ridiculous, and I completely dismiss it as a worthless stunt.

You send a message to a team by releasing a Terrell Owens. No one on the team is going to get any message from releasing a Courtney Brown. There's nothing shocking about it. You release a Terrell Owens the players say, "whoa, are you kidding?" You release an Isaiah Stanback and the players say, "I expected that."

Utterly ridiculous and not rising above that level

Thats where I disagree with you, Jimmy Johnson made his point when he cut richards, after he fumbled twice.

If you cut or release enough players, then the team gets the point.

Now, I do agree with you, by releasing just one player, say Brown or Stanback, the team wouldnt get the message, but if you released two players, before cuts are mandatory, then the team gets the message.

Maybe not the veterans, but the rookies get the message, and the young players.

It's just like you believed best to my memory, that you thought John Beck, the ex QB that was with the Dolphins was a good player, and you wanted the cowboys to get him.

I disagreed with you, I didnt think it was a stunt or anything that you wanted Beck, you just liked him. I didnt. Its as simple as that. I didnt knock you for your beliefs in Beck, you said what you thought, and I respected that, but I disagreed with you about him.

Same way as the sending the message post, i disagree with you

 

[Alexander]

Now, I do agree with you, by releasing just one player, say Brown or Stanback, the team wouldnt get the message, but if you released two players, before cuts are mandatory, then the team gets the message.

They would get the message alright: You are going to have to play an entire worthless preseason game against Minnesota because we wanted to scare you by parting ways with these two players.

I don't know about you, but I would be upset if we had to play Jenkins, Scandrick or Austin more than we should just because of some silly message cut of Isaiah Stanback or Courtney Brown.

 

[Hostile]

They would get the message alright: You are going to have to play an entire worthless preseason game against Minnesota because we wanted to scare you by parting ways with these two players.

I don't know about you, but I would be upset if we had to play Jenkins, Scandrick or Austin more than we should just because of some silly message cut of Isaiah Stanback or Courtney Brown.

Right on the friggin' :money:

 

[Hostile]

Thats where I disagree with you, Jimmy Johnson made his point when he cut richards, after he fumbled twice.

If you cut or release enough players, then the team gets the point.

First I guess it is useless for me to continue to beg that you let me teach you the split quote stuff. My head hurts. It's your fault. So once again I have fixed the post.

The situations we are facing are not similar. When Jimmy Johnson cut Curvin Richards it was not a pre-season roster move. he was cut after the 1992 season finale (that means the last game of the year) and we were on our way to the playoffs and Super Bowl XXVII.

Swing and a miss.

]Now, I do agree with you, by releasing just one player, say Brown or Stanback, the team wouldnt get the message, but if you released two players, before cuts are mandatory, then the team gets the message.

Maybe not the veterans, but the rookies get the message, and the young players.

No they don't. Roster cuts in pre-season are expected and you can bet even the players speculate with each other on who is going to get the axe or meet the Turk. There's no message.

It's just like you believed best to my memory, that you thought John Beck, the ex QB that was with the Dolphins was a good player, and you wanted the cowboys to get him.

I disagreed with you, I didnt think it was a stunt or anything that you wanted Beck, you just liked him. I didnt. Its as simple as that. I didnt knock you for your beliefs in Beck, you said what you thought, and I respected that, but I disagreed with you about him.

Same way as the sending the message post, i disagree with you

Are you trying to tell me that you don't want me to ever disagree with your ideas because you didn't publicly disagree with mine?

I got two words for ya...get real. Disagree with me all you want. Others do. I think the premise of this thread is ridiculous and plenty of people are shooting holes in your cheese. Swiss anyone?

 

[adbutcher]

We are at 77 players right now.

The cutdown to 75 players is September 1st.

The cutdown to 53 is September 5th.

So 2 people will be cut by Tuesday, maybe more. But I sincerely hope no one here will be all butt hurt if those cuts don't happen today, right now, immediately. The staff will get these things done, but not necessarily on our time schedule.

You are crazy if you think that we shouldn't stock up on preparation H, unfortunately butthurts has become the zone's modus operandi.

 

[joseephuss]

Curvin Richards was not cut for fumbling twice in the 1992 season finale. Those two fumbles were just the last straws of his poor tenure in Dallas.

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