Fire Wade Please

[GimmeTheBall!]

Fire our pillar of inspiration? Insane.

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Show me a guy who reacts like this instead of a HC whose veins are bulging in his forehead and neck and is showing teeth like a hungry hiyena and I will show you a born loser. Wade is a born loser as a HC. He's called a defensive genius, but you can only live off that reputation for a while until reality catches up to you.

Fire the Clown Wade Phillips and let's get started on our future before our talent starts eroding.

We've already been delayed two years by this witless, clueless cupcake of a coach.

Make the hurting stop.

 

[rcaldw]

Have you ever seen the America's Game on the 70s Steelers teams? All the players -- not some, all -- talked about how incredibly bland, boring, and dull Chuck was. They all made fun of his motivational speeches that went over like lead balloons and how he was the worst story teller of all time.

Maybe if you didn't want people focusing on the PC aspect, you shouldn't have started the thread with "Seeing the PC yesterday sealed it for me."

One thing I do think is that Wade, like Parcells, is even more drained than usual on Mondays. IMO that's part of having 60+ year-old-coaches doing such an incredibly demanding job. It's also why I'm not so sure about Holmgren.

But speaking of him, who do you want? Firing someone just for the sake of firing someone never does any good unless you have someone better ready to go.

Here is where you and I might differ. I don't have to have a "name" in mind. I have a TYPE in mind. Then I would go and find that guy.

I want someone who is:

a. Energetic - tank is full and he is excited and ready for the job and wants it to be long term.

b. Strong - Note, I didn't say loud. I want a strong personality. Someone who won't be a lap dog for Jerry and who will tell Jerry at the outset what his boundaries are, or he won't take the job. (you can do that and still be completely respectful of the fact that Jerry owns the team, etc. etc. You have to sell Jerry on the idea that a coach can't be successful unless he has the final word, and unless he is SEEN to have the final word by his team. That is, players DO NOT go to Jerry directly, and Jerry DOES NOT come into the lockeroom except to OBSERVE. He doesn't come in to give speeches unless the coach asks him to.)

c. Demands Discipline - See Jimmy Johnson
d. Smart - Knows the game, relates to players well, yet isn't their buddy. Knows enough to know what he doesn't know, but won't settle for any coordinator who isn't excellent.

e. Won't settle for losing - Not satisfied with anything less than championships.

Now, that is not a complete list, but its a good start, and I would go find me that guy. Jerry has the money to make it happen, and if he is smart, with that new stadium coming, he WILL make it happen.

I still say that I would go after Nick Saban. Yes, yes, I know what happened in Miami and I don't care, that guy is a COACH.

Cowher would be a good choice.

But what I know for certain is NO MORE MEDIOCRITY, no more TIRED AND WORN OUT OLD GUYS. (And I'm not necessarily talking age.)

Go get a guy who can be with us for 10 years and has an insatiable desire to win and won't settle for less than excellence.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This is the lamest excuse in the world for keeping a coach, unless you truly believe that Wade Phillips is the at least 32nd best head coach in the entire universe.

And Cowher or Holmgren would be a good place to start looking when we evaluate the rest of the universe.

It's lame to say that if you don't have a better idea in mind, you fire Wade anyway? Why?

Cowher would be fine. Holmgren I'm lukewarm on, but I could see the thinking behind it.

But what if those guys aren't available?

And rcaldw... The coach you describe is what pretty much everyone wants. But unless you have a specific name in mind who is in fact willing and able to take the job, what good do all these generalities do?

And are you sure Saban (who was a disaster in Miami and then QUIT) and Cowher make it ten years, even if they want to come here?

 

[bbgun]

Wade's just lucky he doesn't work in a town with tabloids.

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[5Countem5]

Here is where you and I might differ. I don't have to have a "name" in mind. I have a TYPE in mind. Then I would go and find that guy.

I want someone who is:

a. Energetic - tank is full and he is excited and ready for the job and wants it to be long term.

b. Strong - Note, I didn't say loud. I want a strong personality. Someone who won't be a lap dog for Jerry and who will tell Jerry at the outset what his boundaries are, or he won't take the job. (you can do that and still be completely respectful of the fact that Jerry owns the team, etc. etc. You have to sell Jerry on the idea that a coach can't be successful unless he has the final word, and unless he is SEEN to have the final word by his team. That is, players DO NOT go to Jerry directly, and Jerry DOES NOT come into the lockeroom except to OBSERVE. He doesn't come in to give speeches unless the coach asks him to.)

c. Demands Discipline - See Jimmy Johnson
d. Smart - Knows the game, relates to players well, yet isn't their buddy. Knows enough to know what he doesn't know, but won't settle for any coordinator who isn't excellent.

e. Won't settle for losing - Not satisfied with anything less than championships.

Now, that is not a complete list, but its a good start, and I would go find me that guy. Jerry has the money to make it happen, and if he is smart, with that new stadium coming, he WILL make it happen.

I still say that I would go after Nick Saban. Yes, yes, I know what happened in Miami and I don't care, that guy is a COACH.

Cowher would be a good choice.

But what I know for certain is NO MORE MEDIOCRITY, no more TIRED AND WORN OUT OLD GUYS. (And I'm not necessarily talking age.)

Go get a guy who can be with us for 10 years and has an insatiable desire to win and won't settle for less than excellence.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Wade's just lucky he doesn't work in a town with tabloids.

I don't follow the Jets closely at all, but IMO it would be dumb to fire Mangini. Haven't they had the one awful year last year when they had no QB, and then two winning ones?

And he's still so young.

Just saying.

 

[Alexander]

I don't follow the Jets closely at all, but IMO it would be dumb to fire Mangini. Haven't they had the one awful year last year when they had no QB, and then two winning ones?

And he's still so young.

Just saying.

I don't think it is just Mangini. It is also Tannenbaum. They are tied at the hip and it doesn't appear that the Brett Favre gambit has paid off like they expected it to. If the GM goes, whatever GM comes in is going to want his coach. Too bad we do not have that type of set up.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Yea, and you can keep pretending that all this supposed lack of discipline stuff is all the stuff of DREAMS. By the way, where are we ranked in penalties? Did I hear you say #32? Yea, you are right. Wade runs a real tight ship.

This lack of discipline also occurred under Parcells. So, you have a consistency between two coaches, one a noted disciplinarian, and the other, who is also one but not in the same manner. If I recall from memory correctly, both BP and WP had rather disciplined teams in their prior engagements. This points to the notion that it is either the players, or a conspiracy waged against Dallas via the officiating crews. Take your pick.

 

[Bach]

Mort said last night that Jerry was emphatic in the fact that Wade was not going to be fired, regardless of the outcome of this season.

End of story.

Also see: http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141407

If this is the case, then Jerry's a fool. It'd just show Jerry found someone he's "comfortable" with. It'd take the stars and planets aligning for Wade to get a team to the Super Bowl.

 

[rcaldw]

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And rcaldw... The coach you describe is what pretty much everyone wants. But unless you have a specific name in mind who is in fact willing and able to take the job, what good do all these generalities do?

I don't agree with you. I don't think it IS the coach that everyone wants. I'm not sure it is the coach that Jerry wants. I KNOW it isn't the coach that Al Davis wants. Don't forget one of the things I listed. A strong personality who will draw lines in the sand with the owner. I don't think Jerry wants that.

And in terms of specifics there are many, many guys to "explore" a hiring with and then you have to find out if they are actually the type of guy you are looking for.

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
Bill Cowher
Bob Stoops
maybe even explore Pete Caroll's interest

You may find that NONE of them matches the list I gave, but you will never know as long as you have captain cup cake at the helm. Fire him and get to work interviewing and think THE BEST COACH MONEY CAN BUY when you start your search. And think YOUNG, ENERGETIC AND COMMITTED TO EXCELLENCE.

Let me know when Jerry really wants to do this. He was FORCED to do it with Parcells, his franchise had become a laughing stock again. Parcells turned out to be old and tired, but at least he rebuilt the talent base.

 

[zrinkill]

Fire Wade Please

Yaa!!! an original thread!!!

 

[rcaldw]

Yaa!!! an original thread!!!

Doesn't have to be original to be right.

 

[wileedog]

It's lame to say that if you don't have a better idea in mind, you fire Wade anyway? Why?

Because why settle for proven mediocrity? Is two years of regression really not enough?

Heck of the top of my head Rex Ryan just completely out and out schooled our red-haired genius Heir Apparent, so there's another idea. I'm sure if I started even thinking about it we could compile a list of talented coordinators with promise, or older guys like Capers that might be worth a look. Heck early returns are looking like we would have been better off promoting Sparano than hiring Wade, so you can't just say "there's nobody better available". Good GMs find better people. Look what Atlanta did plucking Smith off the Jaguars.

And again, the very best thing about Jerry is that if he really wants Cowher, odds are he can sell him the job. My hat's off to him there he is one of the best recruiters in the business. Plus he's good friends with Holmgren to boot if we want to go that way.

 

[dfense]

We all know that Super Bowls are won in the press conference.

Without a good rousing PC, we have nothing. And Romo's "aw shucks" attitude is costing us victories as well, and so is Bennet's body language and him not tucking his shirt in.

And the stadium beer really isn't cold enough and the Valley Ranch toilet paper is scratchy AND it's single-ply -and the Cowboys need that little circle on their pants with their number in it again -and Jason needs a better haircut -and, well I guess that's about it...

It seems that way doesn't it? Even though the Parcell's tough guy press conference couldn't generate a playoff win either.

 

[dfense]

I don't agree with you. I don't think it IS the coach that everyone wants. I'm not sure it is the coach that Jerry wants. I KNOW it isn't the coach that Al Davis wants. Don't forget one of the things I listed. A strong personality who will draw lines in the sand with the owner. I don't think Jerry wants that.

And in terms of specifics there are many, many guys to "explore" a hiring with and then you have to find out if they are actually the type of guy you are looking for.

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
Bill Cowher
Bob Stoops
maybe even explore Pete Caroll's interest

You may find that NONE of them matches the list I gave, but you will never know as long as you have captain cup cake at the helm. Fire him and get to work interviewing and think THE BEST COACH MONEY CAN BUY when you start your search. And think YOUNG, ENERGETIC AND COMMITTED TO EXCELLENCE.

Let me know when Jerry really wants to do this. He was FORCED to do it with Parcells, his franchise had become a laughing stock again. Parcells turned out to be old and tired, but at least he rebuilt the talent base.

Nick Saban? ha ha ha

 

[RainMan]

I don't think it is just Mangini. It is also Tannenbaum. They are tied at the hip and it doesn't appear that the Brett Favre gambit has paid off like they expected it to. If the GM goes, whatever GM comes in is going to want his coach. Too bad we do not have that type of set up.

No, we do. It's just unfortunate that every time Jerry has secretly fired himself as GM, he found himself to be the most qualified of all the candidates and was re-hired.

 

[dfense]

Because why settle for proven mediocrity? Is two years of regression really not enough?

Heck of the top of my head Rex Ryan just completely out and out schooled our red-haired genius Heir Apparent, so there's another idea. I'm sure if I started even thinking about it we could compile a list of talented coordinators with promise, or older guys like Capers that might be worth a look. Heck early returns are looking like we would have been better off promoting Sparano than hiring Wade, so you can't just say "there's nobody better available". Good GMs find better people. Look what Atlanta did plucking Smith off the Jaguars.

And again, the very best thing about Jerry is that if he really wants Cowher, odds are he can sell him the job. My hat's off to him there he is one of the best recruiters in the business. Plus he's good friends with Holmgren to boot if we want to go that way.

Rex Ryan's defense has schooled about 30 other coordinators to. Caper's was a bust as a head coach and he's a defensive coordinator anyway. What does that have to do with Garrett?

The Cowboys defense right now is better than it has been at anytime under Parcells.

 

[wileedog]

No, we do. It's just unfortunate that every time Jerry has secretly fired himself as GM, he found himself to be the most qualified of all the candidates and was re-hired.

My real fear is that it looks like Jerry thinks he has "learned" enough from Parcells and is putting himself back in the primary driver seat again as he did post-Jimmy. That's why he hired Wade, a yes-man's yes-man, and why he is considering sticking with him. Because he doesn't want to go back to a situation where a strong, experienced coach like a Parcells or Cowher or Holmgern will demand the type of control and input Jerry doesn't feel he needs to give up anymore.

 

[lane]

ric flair has a message for wade phillips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRbdlST-NGA

 

[dfense]

I'm sorry, I've tried to stay positive this week, think about the fact that we still have a meaningful game to play, etc., etc., but hearing Wade Phillip's press conference yesterday just sealed it for me. What a weak voiced, ZERO motivation of a coach. If Jerry Jones keeps him as a HEAD COACH he will get what he deserves, and it won't be a Super Bowl Championship.

I say the same thing everytime Tony Dungy talks. Or Andy Reid for that matter.

Fire their soft spoken, must not know whats going on ***.

If they can't bang the podium in a threatening manner, sweat profusely and call out players, they ain't worht a damn.

I want a coach who spits big gobbers in all directions everytime he talks.