Fire Zimmer Now!!!

[Yakuza Rich]

fire your calculator. mine says .8 TD/ game....

Now, THAT'S funny.


Rich........

 

[HTownCowboysFan]

His defense has given up 4 Touchdowns in the last 5 games!!! Man we could do so much better.

LOL! :laugh2:

Zimmer is a hell of a coach. Look what having a bit of talent does for one's D.

 

[Mike 1967]

I thought this was Parcells defense

 

[Doomsday101]

I thought this was Parcells defense

Only on the good days. LOL

 

[scottsp]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with critiquing part(s) of this team when its deserved, just as there is absolutely nothing wrong with heaping praise when we feel its justified. I try not to bang pots when things look bleak and I will not pump sunshine on days like today. If I am right in my assessments, great. If not, I will admit as much.

As to this defense, what's not to like? The late TDs surrendered against Washington and Seattle remain unfortunate, but I agree with Parcells on this one. Once the pass rush steps it up in those late game situations, those problems will be remedied. And I definitely think we have that to look forward to.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah, it's not like Anthony Henry actually scored or we're getitng sacks either.

[/sarcasm off]

 

[Kilyin]

According to my math, this defense has given up 4 touchdowns in our opponents last 58 possessions. Let's get rid of Zimmer and bring in Dom Capers.

 

[Mike 1967]

All kidding aside

I believe that it is safe to say that the move away from 4-3 to the 3-4 was a good move.

I think it is also safe to say that Parcells is better at selecting talent for the 3-4 than the previous decision makers were at selecting talent for the 4-3.

I also like the number Ellis is putting up. He is doing very well for someone who is basically flying under the radar. He beat a double team yesterday on one of his sacks.

 

[Hostile]

All kidding aside

I believe that it is safe to say that the move away from 4-3 to the 3-4 was a good move.

I think it is also safe to say that Parcells is better at selecting talent for the 3-4 than the previous decision makers were at selecting talent for the 4-3.

I also like the number Ellis is putting up. He is doing very well for someone who is basically flying under the radar. He beat a double team yesterday on one of his sacks.

We have a good group of defenders who could succeed in just about any scheme. 4-3, 3-4, 5-2, Nickel, Dime. They are smart. They are versatile. They have decent cohesion. I don't know that we could ask for much more than that.

 

[Mike 1967]

We have a good group of defenders who could succeed in just about any scheme. 4-3, 3-4, 5-2, Nickel, Dime. They are smart. They are versatile. They have decent cohesion. I don't know that we could ask for much more than that.

I cannot completely agree with you on that point. Parcells has made the comment on numerous occasions that Ware would not hold up if used constantly as a 4-3 end. And there are different speed and size requirements between the two schemes.

But...even if I were to grant you your point.....I would still beg the question: Who do you give the credit to for creating this group of players. Not last years group...but this years group.

 

[Hostile]

I cannot completely agree with you on that point. Parcells has made the comment on numerous occasions that Ware would not hold up if used constantly as a 4-3 end. And there are different speed and size requirements between the two schemes.

But...even if I were to grant you your point.....I would still beg the question: Who do you give the credit to for creating this group of players. Not last years group...but this years group.

Ware can take a breather if we use a 4-3 scheme on some plays. This team changes up a lot. It's cool to watch.

I credit Parcells, Jones, Ireland, and the coaching staff as well as the players themselves. It's a good job all the way around.

 

[Mike 1967]

Ware can take a breather if we use a 4-3 scheme on some plays. This team changes up a lot. It's cool to watch.

I credit Parcells, Jones, Ireland, and the coaching staff as well as the players themselves. It's a good job all the way around.

It is definitely cool to watch.

I give 90% of the credit to Parcells. He appears to be a great defensive mind and personnel evaluator.

Now if he will just stay out of the offensive play calling

 

[Hostile]

It is definitely cool to watch.

I give 90% of the credit to Parcells. He appears to be a great defensive mind and personnel evaluator.

Now if he will just stay out of the offensive play calling

I don't care who gets the credit. It's a team effort or it wouldn't be working.

The great thing is they can still get better.

 

[Mike 1967]

I don't care who gets the credit. It's a team effort or it wouldn't be working.

The great thing is they can still get better.

Sounds good...but....

Root Cause is an extremely important thing to identify.

Because without it...you cannot expect to repeat success...and you can expect to repeat failure.

I am not interested in giving credit....but I am interested in identifying root cause.

And as far as the Defense goes. It is a clear result of the draft and the change in scheme. And the root cause behind both of those is Parcells.

And hopefully PArcells will (1) be with us for some time to come and (2) will install these same talents in the staff around him.

 

[lcharles]

:fogeys: yep!

 

[Hostile]

Sounds good...but....

Root Cause is an extremely important thing to identify.

Because without it...you cannot expect to repeat success...and you can expect to repeat failure.

I am not interested in giving credit....but I am interested in identifying root cause.

And as far as the Defense goes. It is a clear result of the draft and the change in scheme. And the root cause behind both of those is Parcells.

And hopefully PArcells will (1) be with us for some time to come and (2) will install these same talents in the staff around him.

If that makes you feel better about the defense it's okay by me. I don't disagree. I will say that they are equally yoked together. The players have to be able to play. The scouting department has to know what to look for. The management has to be able to afford them. The coaches have to eb able to coach them.

It's all inter-related. I don't care who people want to give the credit to. I'm giving it out to all of them. No one is falling down on the job.

 

[jem88]

you're not funny and all the "I told you so" posts are getting old and have lost any small degree of funniness they ever possessed (or didn't)

This definately gets a post of the day nod. It would be funny if any of these posts had just slightest amount of wit, but they're all so obvious.

 

[Mike 1967]

This definately gets a post of the day nod. It would be funny if any of these posts had just slightest amount of wit, but they're all so obvious.

Funny thing is....I am not a big Zimmer fan and nobody has shown me any reason why I should be.

Parcells took over the scheme and the personnel. And this is supposed to make me change my position on Zimmer ?

I suppose next someone will be telling me that 2+3 = 12

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

what?! 4 TDs in 5 games!! that averages out to .5 a TD a game!! that's terrible, I agree, fire Zimmer and steal Wolverine's sig

From the man who claims Im stupid

 

[Mike 1967]

If that makes you feel better about the defense it's okay by me. I don't disagree. I will say that they are equally yoked together. The players have to be able to play. The scouting department has to know what to look for. The management has to be able to afford them. The coaches have to eb able to coach them.

It's all inter-related. I don't care who people want to give the credit to. I'm giving it out to all of them. No one is falling down on the job.

What was the original point of the originator of this thread ?

Would be one thing if I just pulled my comments out of thin air. But...I did not. I was simply responding to an obvious attempt to slam those who questioned Zimmer's ability.

I question the logic of that position. Unless I am expected to give Zimmer credit for being under Parcells lead.