Fitzgerald, to the people who do not want to trade for him
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Jeez...I think most would love to trade for Fitzgerald.
The problem?
Do you actually think Arizona will give him up without asking a king's ransom?
Personally, I'd love to trade for the guy. But I wouldn't give up more than one first and one third. Multiple firsts? No WAY!
The problem?
Do you actually think Arizona will give him up without asking a king's ransom?
Personally, I'd love to trade for the guy. But I wouldn't give up more than one first and one third. Multiple firsts? No WAY!
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If we can get either Fitz or Roy for less then a first then I would do handsprings. Moss went cheap because he was a head case. You have two recievers who have put up serious numbers for teams that frankly stank most of the time. They were first rd picks and have proven themselves worth it. I really do not see either Arizona or Detroit letting them go for less. Now maybe as the draft gets closer they will get more desperate, but its something to think about.
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My main reason, really the only one, is the cap hit.
The fact that his whole contract, for this year, is guarunteed at 16.5 million makes him next to impossible to move because if Arizona has to eat all of that they're not going to eat 16.5 million dollars in dead money to move the guy and if another team has to eat all of that (I'm not sure if the fact that it's all guarunteed rather than some signing and some base means that you split the contract or one team or the other incures the entire hit) for him they're not going to. No one, regardless of how good he is, is goin to give him 16.5 million dollars for one year and to do so would be stupid, stupid, stupid.
That's the reason people don't want to make the move. It's not cause they don't think he's talented enough, or worthy of being moved for, it's the fact that his cap number is entirely too large for anyone to even think about making a move.
The tough choses that Arizona will have to make likely have ZERO to do with him, cause to cut him if his whole years salary is guarunteed is to eat 16.5 million dollars to cut him. The tough choices are likely who they'd have to get rid of in order to make up the needed space in their cap thanks to his huge contract.
The fact that his whole contract, for this year, is guarunteed at 16.5 million makes him next to impossible to move because if Arizona has to eat all of that they're not going to eat 16.5 million dollars in dead money to move the guy and if another team has to eat all of that (I'm not sure if the fact that it's all guarunteed rather than some signing and some base means that you split the contract or one team or the other incures the entire hit) for him they're not going to. No one, regardless of how good he is, is goin to give him 16.5 million dollars for one year and to do so would be stupid, stupid, stupid.
That's the reason people don't want to make the move. It's not cause they don't think he's talented enough, or worthy of being moved for, it's the fact that his cap number is entirely too large for anyone to even think about making a move.
The tough choses that Arizona will have to make likely have ZERO to do with him, cause to cut him if his whole years salary is guarunteed is to eat 16.5 million dollars to cut him. The tough choices are likely who they'd have to get rid of in order to make up the needed space in their cap thanks to his huge contract.
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I believe it had to do with a lot of incentives being met that kicked it way up. Apparently they loaded his deal with incentives, I guess thinking he'd never fullfill most of them, only to watch in horror as he hit pretty much all of them.
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Saw it mentioned on the NFL Network, in the DMN, and several blogs about Fitzgerald working with Owens.
The NFL network did show during the pro bowl after one practice where Romo, Owens and Fitzgerald worked out for an hour after everyone else on routes and catching from Romo.
Like I said before, right now no one really knows. Although several mags are reporting that both Fitzgerald and Williams from Detroit will be traded soon, i.e. before the draft.
The NFL network did show during the pro bowl after one practice where Romo, Owens and Fitzgerald worked out for an hour after everyone else on routes and catching from Romo.
Like I said before, right now no one really knows. Although several mags are reporting that both Fitzgerald and Williams from Detroit will be traded soon, i.e. before the draft.
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Umm Arizona has already come out and stated Fitzgerald isn't going anywhere....
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I believe according to Fitzgerald contract, he met certain incentives in the 2007 season that made his salary $14.5 million in 2008 and 17.3 million in 2009 plus the obvisous prorated bonus when he first signed his contract.
The way I understand it, if Arizona traded him then they would only be responsible for his prorated bonus, same goes for a trade.
Any team that does try and trade for him will only do so if he agrees to a new contract. No team is going to have him on the books for a salary of $14.5 million which would be at least 8 percent of the total cap for a single player. Not even Dallas.
Arizona might ask for the Moon for him but realistically, they aren't going to get even close. He will be a financial obligation to the new team as well as what they have to give up to get him. It will drive down the price of what Arizona takes. And on top of that, the closer we get to free agency, the more desparate Arizona will get in making a trade.
Personally, I would give our 2nd round, Bobby Carpenter and Marcus Spears and call it even. In fact that might be to much right there. I would offer it and say there it is, it goes down after that.
Some blogs have New England and Philadelphia offering there 1st round picks, 2nd round picks and more to get him. I think that is a bunch of BS, based on how those two teams usually do business.
As to Arizona saying he wasn't going anywhere, it is the same thing all teams say at one time or another and it usually holds no water. Just a marketing and contract ploy most of the time.
Guess we will see over the next 10 days.
The way I understand it, if Arizona traded him then they would only be responsible for his prorated bonus, same goes for a trade.
Any team that does try and trade for him will only do so if he agrees to a new contract. No team is going to have him on the books for a salary of $14.5 million which would be at least 8 percent of the total cap for a single player. Not even Dallas.
Arizona might ask for the Moon for him but realistically, they aren't going to get even close. He will be a financial obligation to the new team as well as what they have to give up to get him. It will drive down the price of what Arizona takes. And on top of that, the closer we get to free agency, the more desparate Arizona will get in making a trade.
Personally, I would give our 2nd round, Bobby Carpenter and Marcus Spears and call it even. In fact that might be to much right there. I would offer it and say there it is, it goes down after that.
Some blogs have New England and Philadelphia offering there 1st round picks, 2nd round picks and more to get him. I think that is a bunch of BS, based on how those two teams usually do business.
As to Arizona saying he wasn't going anywhere, it is the same thing all teams say at one time or another and it usually holds no water. Just a marketing and contract ploy most of the time.
Guess we will see over the next 10 days.
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Everybody loves Fitz as a player.
But did anyone happen to notice that the team that won it all this year was the one with the excellent pass rush combined with a solid, no-frills offense and not the one with the megastar WR and QB that set all the passing records?
But did anyone happen to notice that the team that won it all this year was the one with the excellent pass rush combined with a solid, no-frills offense and not the one with the megastar WR and QB that set all the passing records?
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No one, anywhere, is going to give up 1st and 2nd round picks along with taking on a 14.5 million dollar salary for Fitz, good as he is not withstanding.
The only way he gets out of Arizona is part of a signing a restructured deal and trade scenerio. Otherwise he's a Card again next season.
The only way he gets out of Arizona is part of a signing a restructured deal and trade scenerio. Otherwise he's a Card again next season.
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wileedog;1959915 said:
How about the last eight, nine, ten years? Just wondering.
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Chocolate Lab;1959920 said:
So your argument is not to go out and get a great 24 year old WR, perhaps one of the best in the league, because the Giants didn't have one?
Plus, if the Giants were to play the Pats again today, would you bet on the Giants to win again? I sure wouldn't.
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ThreeSportStar80;1959890 said:
Yeah, but the Bengals also say Chad isnt going anywhere either. They're just covering their rear ends in case something goes wrong.
ABOUT THE CAP HIT:
We got all of our players under the cap when it was like 50 million for like 52 players. Why cant we do it when its 104 million for 52 players? Thats my question.
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i'm sure some are smarter than me when it comes to the cap, but my understanding is if you trade for a guy you can't lower his contract. you can spread it out and lower the cap hit but you can't lower the amount of the contract. if so then it's not just the 14 mil this year but a total of nearly 32 mil you would have to spread out. now you could spread that money out and still keep his cap number somewhat reasonable but you would have to gamble nearly 32 mil in gauranteed money. if my understanding is correct then why would you on top of all of that want to give up a 1st rnd pick? i don't think any team would assume 32 mil and give a high pick for any wr
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we're one or 2 players away IMO
if it's conceivable, do it
if it's conceivable, do it
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wileedog;1959929 said:
No, my argument is more that the best teams aren't built around WRs.
When you say, "Go out and get" a great WR, don't you think it matters what the cost is? If it's a first and a third, like the OP suggested, I think that might be too much.
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Chocolate Lab;1959901 said:
Is anyone saying to get Fitz and ignore the defense altogether? One move does not prevent other moves from being made unless the price of draft picks is too high. If that is the case, you don't make the move. If it is reasonable, then you go after Fitz. Sure the defense and pass rush needs to be more consistent and you try to address that as well this off season as well as some other aspects of the team.
The team with the megastar WR and QB did still make it to the Superbowl. A megastar WR would have helped Dallas beat NY. Dallas had one, but he was not 100%. The other receiver(Crayton) decided not to truly show up to the game.