Fitzgerald, to the people who do not want to trade for him

[Muhast]

Is a 3rd rounder really gonna sway your opinion?

theres no way that 3rd rounder (Almost a 4th rounder) is going to start on this team in the near future.

If it came down to having Fitz or that extra 3/4th rounder, give me fitz.

if you look at the type of talent we've gotten in the 3rd and 4th rounds the last 3-4 drafts yes it sways my opinion

 

[Muhast]

Yeah, but the Bengals also say Chad isnt going anywhere either. They're just covering their rear ends in case something goes wrong.


ABOUT THE CAP HIT:

We got all of our players under the cap when it was like 50 million for like 52 players. Why cant we do it when its 104 million for 52 players? Thats my question.

I think question is kinda obvious man. The players didnt ask for nearly as much money when it was lower. The more money you have each year, the larger the contracts will be. In the NFL there is almost no point in holding back on your money, if you have it, and there IS talent worth spending it on then you have to spend it.

 

[wileedog]

No, my argument is more that the best teams aren't built around WRs.

When you say, "Go out and get" a great WR, don't you think it matters what the cost is? If it's a first and a third, like the OP suggested, I think that might be too much.

If Fitzgerald were older I would agree with you.

But he's younger than Newman was when we drafted him. While a 1st and a 3rd may be steep, first round draft picks are a crap shoot on WRs anyway. Ask Fuzzy.

To know for sure you are acquiring proven elite talent and a guy who will wear a star and produce at a high level perhaps 7-10 years is worth a lot. Especially a WR.

And considering the vast majority of our high level picks the past years have gone to Defense, its tough to say that this is a team "built around" WRs, just because we happen to finally invest some in a really, really good one.

Its not like we're pulling a Detroit here and drafting them constantly year after year. In fact we haven't been drafting them at all.

 

[Muhast]

for a first i'd do it. I would not offer 2 picks for him. Sorry, but I just wouldnt.

I like Bolden better anyways

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Well get this... Galloway just said that when he was at the Super Bowl, he was introduced to Fitzgerald's father, and Mr. Fitz said -- totally unprompted -- that Larry wanted out of Arizona and he wanted to play for Dallas. Because he loves Tony Romo.

Had anyone heard that before? It was news to me.

Gotta love it!

 

[masomenos]

That's all fine and dandy but what if he doesn't want to negotiate, do you still want to acquire him and his salary?

Oh, no way, lol.

 

[2much2soon]

No, my argument is more that the best teams aren't built around WRs.

When you say, "Go out and get" a great WR, don't you think it matters what the cost is? If it's a first and a third, like the OP suggested, I think that might be too much.

There was somebody, don't think it was you, making this same argument about a year ago.
I didn't buy it then, and don't buy it now.
The Pats winning with pedestrian WRs a few years ago was an anomaly. If it wasn't, if you don't need great WRs, why did they go out and get Moss, Welker, and Stallworth this season?
You can look all through the history of the NFL and the dominant, championship teams had top notch WRs.
Theres a reason for that.

 

[playmakers]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab
No, my argument is more that the best teams aren't built around WRs.

When you say, "Go out and get" a great WR, don't you think it matters what the cost is? If it's a first and a third, like the OP suggested, I think that might be too much.

I hear what your saying about winning Superbowls but im looking also at the long haul. We are going to need a reciever down the road and he fits the bill. I just think it makes sense getting him.

 

[ajk23az]

The Cardinals would be insane to let him go.

But I wouldnt mind it at all being i live in AZ and would LOVE LOVE LOVE to razz everyone around here..

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Larry Fitz is the man and if he came to the cowboys I would buy his jersey this is exactly the type of person we need. Young stud WR experience 4 years and can play along side Romo for the next 8 years i mean let's build a dynasty Larry Fitz and Witten and Romo is going to be on the level of Manning Clark and Harrison. Loved Fitz in college wanted him to go to the boys so badly never understand why we took dat bum Antonio Bryant.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The thing is not only do you give up a first and a third, but you pay a ton of money to do so. Plus, Dallas really just needs another legit deep threat opposite of Owens, something they could find for a lot cheaper than what Fitzgerald, who is not a top tier deep threat will cost.

In order to get Fitzgerald, Dallas would essentially be killing their depth at other positions. Not only that, but you have to rely on Fitzgerald picking up the system quickly. A big case for not giving up draft picks for already pricey veterans.

It's the same type of reasoning that has made Washington a laughing stock. Sure, veterans are "proven", but often times they just don't translate to new teams as well as they did with their former teams. And in order to get them, they wind up paying less money for other crucial positions and more often than not they get what they pay for at those other positions.

I remember a day when the Skins signed Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd as receivers along with Adam Archuleta and Andre Carter on defense and most people thought they were great FA moves that couldn't go wrong as long as they stayed healhty. Well, they did stay healthy and outside of Carter (whom I'm not all that impressed with) they did the opposite of working out.

I think people get infatuated with what the Pats did last year by getting Welker, Stallworth and Moss. But the Pats were still smart enough to leave themselves with outs and not giving up draft picks (except for the 4th round pick to Moss) for these veterans. Unlike the Commanders the Pats made calculated risks instead of outright gambling. It worked out great for the Pats, but if it didn't, they didn't kill their cap or sacrifice their future by giving away draft picks. If Dallas gave up a first and a third to get Fitzgerald, they would be making the same type of gamble that people laugh at the Commanders for making.





YAKUZA

 

[DaBoys4Life]

The thing is not only do you give up a first and a third, but you pay a ton of money to do so. Plus, Dallas really just needs another legit deep threat opposite of Owens, something they could find for a lot cheaper than what Fitzgerald, who is not a top tier deep threat will cost.

In order to get Fitzgerald, Dallas would essentially be killing their depth at other positions. Not only that, but you have to rely on Fitzgerald picking up the system quickly. A big case for not giving up draft picks for already pricey veterans.

It's the same type of reasoning that has made Washington a laughing stock. Sure, veterans are "proven", but often times they just don't translate to new teams as well as they did with their former teams. And in order to get them, they wind up paying less money for other crucial positions and more often than not they get what they pay for at those other positions.

I remember a day when the Skins signed Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd as receivers along with Adam Archuleta and Andre Carter on defense and most people thought they were great FA moves that couldn't go wrong as long as they stayed healhty. Well, they did stay healthy and outside of Carter (whom I'm not all that impressed with) they did the opposite of working out.

I think people get infatuated with what the Pats did last year by getting Welker, Stallworth and Moss. But the Pats were still smart enough to leave themselves with outs and not giving up draft picks (except for the 4th round pick to Moss) for these veterans. Unlike the Commanders the Pats made calculated risks instead of outright gambling. It worked out great for the Pats, but if it didn't, they didn't kill their cap or sacrifice their future by giving away draft picks. If Dallas gave up a first and a third to get Fitzgerald, they would be making the same type of gamble that people laugh at the Commanders for making.





YAKUZA

Man a first and a 3rd is steep your right but this is different than washington. One they bring in old veteran players the best player they brought in was Clinton Portis. LLoyd nad Randle El where jokes Moss is decent Spring was good in Seattle. Larry Fitz is a legit WR two time pro bowler undoubtedly one of the top 10 WR in the league for his age he the best at his position. Scared money don't make money and this kid is money. I think he deserves his pay check and we need to fill him in. 1 st round don't let that fool you how have carp and spears worked out for his if it isn't a high 1st round pick it normally doesn't mean to much. You say you want the depth but a whole lot of crap just leaves you with more crap and the fact that we have two 1st round picks i think we could trade one. He is better than RW from Detriot

 

[wileedog]

I remember a day when the Skins signed Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd as receivers along with Adam Archuleta and Andre Carter on defense and most people thought they were great FA moves that couldn't go wrong as long as they stayed healhty...

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If Dallas gave up a first and a third to get Fitzgerald, they would be making the same type of gamble that people laugh at the Commanders for making.


YAKUZA

Not even close. Nobody not on ES thought Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuleta or even Andre Carter were "great FA moves" - I remember most people laughing their buts off that the Skins actually signed Lloyd to a huge extension before he played a down. Even Randal El was more of a "they paid how much for him?" move.

Fitzgerald is not in the same category as any of these clowns. He has 4 seasons in the NFL at the ripe old age of 24 and 2 of those were 1400 yard seasons with 10TDs. And he did that with Boldin producing opposite of him and not much QB support.

And you want to compare that to Brandon Lloyd?

I can understand the argument that its a steep price to pay, especially when the contract comes with it. But if you are going to use a 1st round pick on a WR anyway, a third seems like a decent price to pay to ensure that the 1st round investment is a sure fire, bona fide elite WR.

We don't just need a speed threat to go opposite TO - we need a replacement for TO, who is not getting any younger. Fitz could be here for years, and potentially is still *entering* his prime. Speed is cheap, and we can always find a Berrian or Stallworth to keep defenses honest. Heck we got Glenn for a 6th.

Again, you're right the price tag is steep. But I don't think this is anywhere close to the Skins overpaying for proven mediocrity - Fitzgerald has proven the opposite and he fills a huge need.

 

[masomenos]

:signmast:

 

[Jay]

I am praying that I just misunderstood what was said and that poster didn't compare Larry Fitzgerald to Randle El or Brandon Lloyd. Let's get real here buddy...

Apples and Oranges.

I'd love to get Fitzgerald on the team. He is unbelievable, one of the premiere wide receivers in the league. Throw a 2nd at them and see if they bite.

QB: Romo
RB: Barber, draft pick
TE: Witten, Fasano, Curtis
WR: Owens, Fitzgerald, Crayton, Austin, Hurd, Stanback

Seriously, you want to talk about a future.. wow. Romo resigned, get Barber resigned, Witten is signed, Crayton resigned, you have 2 guys who have done well in spot duty with Austin/Hurd and a project in Stanback. The tight ends are as solid as you will find anywhere in the league, and we have a QB who is only getting better.

Get it done, Jerry.

The day I wake up or come home and see "Dallas trades for Larry Fitzgerald", that will be the "WOW" that Deion was talking about. I'd be happy to go after Roy Williams, but I'd definitely prefer Fitz.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I would love to get Fitz on our team.....he is legit and very young.....we would be unstoppable.

 

[Clove]

The thing is not only do you give up a first and a third, but you pay a ton of money to do so. Plus, Dallas really just needs another legit deep threat opposite of Owens, something they could find for a lot cheaper than what Fitzgerald, who is not a top tier deep threat will cost.

In order to get Fitzgerald, Dallas would essentially be killing their depth at other positions. Not only that, but you have to rely on Fitzgerald picking up the system quickly. A big case for not giving up draft picks for already pricey veterans.

It's the same type of reasoning that has made Washington a laughing stock. Sure, veterans are "proven", but often times they just don't translate to new teams as well as they did with their former teams. And in order to get them, they wind up paying less money for other crucial positions and more often than not they get what they pay for at those other positions.

I remember a day when the Skins signed Antwaan Randle El and Brandon Lloyd as receivers along with Adam Archuleta and Andre Carter on defense and most people thought they were great FA moves that couldn't go wrong as long as they stayed healhty. Well, they did stay healthy and outside of Carter (whom I'm not all that impressed with) they did the opposite of working out.

I think people get infatuated with what the Pats did last year by getting Welker, Stallworth and Moss. But the Pats were still smart enough to leave themselves with outs and not giving up draft picks (except for the 4th round pick to Moss) for these veterans. Unlike the Commanders the Pats made calculated risks instead of outright gambling. It worked out great for the Pats, but if it didn't, they didn't kill their cap or sacrifice their future by giving away draft picks. If Dallas gave up a first and a third to get Fitzgerald, they would be making the same type of gamble that people laugh at the Commanders for making.





YAKUZA

Who replaces TO?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Yeah, but the Bengals also say Chad isnt going anywhere either. They're just covering their rear ends in case something goes wrong.


ABOUT THE CAP HIT:

We got all of our players under the cap when it was like 50 million for like 52 players. Why cant we do it when its 104 million for 52 players? Thats my question.

Compare the average salaries of superstars 10-15 years ago to now. It's apples and oranges. You have to pay WAY MORE across the board now then you did then. That's why.

 

[Nors]

Ask yourself WHY would his current team be ridding him?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I would love to have Fitz, as well, as many have stated but NOT at the price he's currently commanding. Sorry but I'm not giving ANY WR (And that includes Moss) 15 or 16 million dollars for a single season.

No, no, no, no, no, and just incase it wasn't clear enough NO.

Unless he's willing to seriously restructure his deal and get his salary to no more than half that amount for a season then, again, no.

He's a great talent, I'd love to have him, but this isn't Madden. You don't get to have him and then just magically have none of the cap implications happen.