Five fascinating NFL Supplemental Draft picks

[Plankton]

Jimmy was in love with Francis he was the player he had targeted entering the 1990 draft unless you have a link that disputes it.

Johnson had tried to trade up for Ray Agnew prior to focusing on Francis, but the Patriots took Agnew at #10 in the draft.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

It worked out for the best the Cowboys got a #1, #2 and #3 in return and one of those picks ended up being Emmitt. Had they had the #1 overall pick in 1990 they would have ended up with Blair Thomas who Jimmy had rated ahead of Emmitt. What a disaster that would have been.

Ironically, Blair Thomas would wind up backing up Emmitt later in his career.........

 

[KJJ]

Johnson had tried to trade up for Ray Agnew prior to focusing on Francis, but the Patriots took Agnew at #10 in the draft.

That's news to me where did you read that?

 

[KJJ]

Ironically, Blair Thomas would wind up backing up Emmitt later in his career.........

Yep, I remember.

 

[Plankton]

That's news to me where did you read that?

Skip Bayless' The Boys.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050211

Several Cowboy scouts had told me Johnson was dead-set on drafting a defensive difference-maker -- North Carolina State defensive end Ray Agnew or Baylor linebacker James Francis. As the draft unfolded, Johnson, indeed, tried and failed to trade up from No. 21 to get Agnew, who went 10th to New England, and Francis, who went 12th to Cincinnati.

 

[KJJ]

Skip Bayless' The Boys.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/050211

Several Cowboy scouts had told me Johnson was dead-set on drafting a defensive difference-maker -- North Carolina State defensive end Ray Agnew or Baylor linebacker James Francis. As the draft unfolded, Johnson, indeed, tried and failed to trade up from No. 21 to get Agnew, who went 10th to New England, and Francis, who went 12th to Cincinnati.

May have to read that book.

 

[Alexander]

I can't believe there is still confusion about how Emmitt Smith ended up in Dallas. I thought it was fact by this point.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2005/02/04/super-notes-how-emmitt-became-cowboy

 

[joseephuss]

Jimmy was in love with Francis he was the player he had targeted entering the 1990 draft unless you have a link that disputes it.

How would I have a link for a hypothetical situation? If Dallas had the #1 overall pick in 1990 it would have changed everything. I doubt that Johnson would have passed over higher rated players in order to draft Francis no matter how much he liked him. Sure he targeted Francis and was willing to trade up to #13 to get him. The #13 pick is a far cry from the #1 pick. Common sense says that Kennedy was not a realistic option for Dallas in 1990 because it would have cost too much to move up all the way up to the top spot to get him. Moving up to #13 was realistic move.

 

[joseephuss]

Jimmy the genius wasted a first rounder there

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1990-12-30/sports/9003050388_1_saints-trade-steve-walsh

he got a 1st, 2nd and 3rd back.

Jimmy made a bad move, but got bailed out by a worse move by the Saints. Johnson would be lying if he told anyone that at the time he drafted Walsh he knew he could flip him for multiple high picks. It obviously didn't turn out to be a wasted pick, but that doesn't mean it was a good choice at the time. It just illustrates just how poorly run the Saints origination was at that time.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Actually I remember wanting Walsh over Aikman to start.Man, I don't know what I was thinking.

Yep, same here. I can only explain it by saying I used to do a lot of hard drugs.

 

[KJJ]

How would I have a link for a hypothetical situation? If Dallas had the #1 overall pick in 1990 it would have changed everything. I doubt that Johnson would have passed over higher rated players in order to draft Francis no matter how much he liked him. Sure he targeted Francis and was willing to trade up to #13 to get him. The #13 pick is a far cry from the #1 pick. Common sense says that Kennedy was not a realistic option for Dallas in 1990 because it would have cost too much to move up all the way up to the top spot to get him. Moving up to #13 was realistic move.

I knew you wouldn't come up with a link because I checked. lol Had the Cowboys had the #1 overall pick in 90 they would have traded down for another boatload of picks because Jeff George was the unanimous #1 overall pick. The Cowboys would have reaped the farm from someone moving down just far enough to still grab James Francis that's my opinion. Let's all be glad it didn't play out that way because Emmitt likely wouldn't have been a Cowboy.

 

[AmericasTeam81]

So the 1990 Dallas Cowboys 1st round draft choice was Steve Walsh who was drafted in the 1989 NFL supplemental draft. If Dallas didn't select anyone in the 1st round of the 1989 supplemental draft, they would have had the 1st pick in the 1990 NFL draft by virtue of having the worst record in the NFL in 1989 (1-15).

 

[joseephuss]

I knew you wouldn't come up with a link because I checked. lol Had the Cowboys had the #1 overall pick in 90 they would have traded down for another boatload of picks because Jeff George was the unanimous #1 overall pick. The Cowboys would have reaped the farm from someone moving down just far enough to still grab James Francis that's my opinion. Let's all be glad it didn't play out that way because Emmitt likely wouldn't have been a Cowboy.

I didn't come up with a link because I didn't bother to even look for a link for a hypothetical situation. Rationale observation says Dallas would not have drafted Francis in 1990 if they held the #1 overall pick.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So the 1990 Dallas Cowboys 1st round draft choice was Steve Walsh who was drafted in the 1989 NFL supplemental draft. If Dallas didn't select anyone in the 1st round of the 1989 supplemental draft, they would have had the 1st pick in the 1990 NFL draft by virtue of having the worst record in the NFL in 1989 (1-15).

That is correct. Part 2 of that is when we traded Walsh to NO for a 1, 2 and 3.

 

[KJJ]

I didn't come up with a link because I didn't bother to even look for a link for a hypothetical situation. Rationale observation says Dallas would not have drafted Francis in 1990 if they held the #1 overall pick.

With all the talk about Jimmy trying to trade up for Francis and even trade with Cinn after they took him tells me had the Cowboys traded the #1 overall pick one of those picks they acquired in the trade would have been used on Francis who was taken at #12. All we can do is speculate and that's my opinion.

 

[ShiningStar]

With all the talk about Jimmy trying to trade up for Francis and even trade with Cinn after they took him tells me had the Cowboys traded the #1 overall pick one of those picks they acquired in the trade would have been used on Francis who was taken at #12. All we can do is speculate and that's my opinion.

which doesnt mean 1 speculation is right over the other, and not everyone gets the stories correct. and it could have been mentioned one or at a spur of the moment. we dont know, but we clearly dont know how everything went down. wasnt like we had the saints back than recording everything or the patriots taping everything.

 

[Dodger12]

I can't believe there is still confusion about how Emmitt Smith ended up in Dallas. I thought it was fact by this point.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2005/02/04/super-notes-how-emmitt-became-cowboy

It's become fairly common for folks to alter some facts to fit their argument. I had to see your link just to make sure I wasn't losing my mind at my old age. I also saw something interesting in your link.

"So as Wooten recalls, he had done some groundwork with Pittsburgh general manager Tom Donahoe prior to the draft, talking to him about trading the Steelers' 17th pick down to the Cowboys' 21st spot and a third-round draft choice. The Steelers wanted tight end Eric Green, and Wooten pitched to Donahoe they could still get Green with the 21st pick and convinced him they wanted nothing to do with Green.

"So when they were on the clock, the Steelers called, and I handed Jimmy the phone and he talked with Chuck Knoll," Wooten said."

 

[KJJ]

which doesnt mean 1 speculation is right over the other, and not everyone gets the stories correct. and it could have been mentioned one or at a spur of the moment. we dont know, but we clearly dont know how everything went down. wasnt like we had the saints back than recording everything or the patriots taping everything.

We're all speculating so it's going to be different with everyone. No one knows for sure how exactly everything went down because all we have is here-say from sources that weren't directly involved.

 

[dfan32]

???
Walsh won starting QB...no, Aikman started, got injured, Walsh played until Aikman was ready to return.

I thought Walsh did start over Aikman at first.

 

[ringmaster]

Manning/Leaf tells you all you really need to know about how much you really do or do not discover about players in the run up to the draft. And how much development, coaching, and experience can come into play. We tend to think it's just the players, but great players are made more than they're just born.

I remember both of those useless debates and when Manning and Leaf got drafted in 1998, the media just fawned over Leaf beating Manning in a irrelevant bowl game and there were even talk that Leaf was the better QB and would have a better NFL career than Manning and I almost fell out of my chair in laughter we know how that turned out. As for Aikman and Walsh as we both know that Aikman, was lightyears the better QB than Walsh and there was even a comment Jimmy Johnson made that if Aikman, was his QB at Miami they wouldn't have lost a game and Jimmy really tried hard to recruit Aikman to Miami but was turned down that is how highly JJ thought of Aikman. Walsh really was a good QB in his own right at Miami and I remember I read somewhere where Skip Bayless made a statement that Walsh, was better than Aikman and that JJ really didn't like him and wanted Walsh to be his starting QB that showed how lazy Bayless was at thorough journalism and he's still is that way today and we know again how that turned out and had Walsh actually been the starter there is no way the Cowboys win 3 Super Bowls even with all the talent they had back then.