CFZ Fixing the Cowboys for 2024

[Bobhaze]

Everyone on this board has been crying for the past week. We went 12-5, won the East and people are still crying like little school girls. So, if the above is true then how is going 8-9 any worse? I much rather start Fresh right now. Roll the dice now and maybe you win, we will never know unless we try it. Sure keep Dak and we go 11-6 or 12-5, who wants that. I rather go 8-9.

Hey I would rather go 5-12 and rebuild than run back what we just did this season.

 

[IceStar-D7]

A Super Bowl ring versus a regular job? One you are not remembered, the other you are a part of history, and always a Super Bowl winning QB? Especially when we are talking about taking $32mil versus $40 mil, when you already make another $20mil at least off endorsements?
People don't remember many QBs if they don't win a ring.
Their endorsement deals dry up often if they don't win a ring.

You have some that still make out like Romo, and a few others... but for the most part... not so much. Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Both Mannings, etc... they can make millions
any time they want.

Job is a job,pal. Dak's salary is minimal compared to what Jerry gets. He's a so called GM and gets paid for doing it. Pays himself of course. But I bet it's a ton more then Dak makes. Heck the Japanese pitcher-hitter is getting close to a billion dollars.You think he's going to shave any off for the team? We just need the GM to do his job. If he had signed Dak a year or so before his contract ended. We could of gotten Dak for half of what he's making now. Jerry betted on Jerry and lost. Can't blame Dak.

 

[Whyjerry]

I wonder what Vegas odds would be for us to make 40????

1:10

 

[Brax]

Let’s talk about what it will take to build this team into a true contender for a championship. So…What does this team need (besides a new GM?, lol) In order to fix this team’s many weaknesses, here are my big picture roster recommendations:

• Before talking about any specific player, the first thing this team needs OVERALL is to recognize they aren’t as close as they like to think. This team is STILL way too soft, too small on defense, not nasty enough at DL, and still incapable of imposing its will on either side of the ball. DT, LB, OL, and RB are huge needs for this team.

• Everyone talks about needing another QB. And honestly, I’m ready to consider that. Dak is not as bad as way too many here think, but sometimes when your QB can’t seem to raise his level of play in the biggest moments, it becomes that much harder to make it happen the next time. BUT…then I start thinking about who will be his replacement? Ugh. It’s not that easy.
  • Trey Lance? Are we willing to just throw him the keys without any test drive? The guy the niners gave up on is our new starter? I’m not ready to say that.
  • The draft? Don’t see how with the 24th pick we can be reasonably sure that can produce someone who can step in and win playoff games. Besides the Jones front office somehow refuses year after to even consider drafting a QB early.
  • Cooper Rush? Please.
  • I wouldn’t mind seeing a trade for Dak because I guarantee there are teams who would like his services. He would have to approve it but he may be ready to consider it. I would if I were him. But his contract situation is complicated. If Dak would approve a trade to a willing partner in a “sign and trade” type deal, some teams might do that for a first round pick.
  • But again…who is your QB then?
• For everyone screaming for Dak to go…have you thought this through? I’m tired of watching Dak suck in big games but do we have better options with this front office?

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• This next point is big IMO. The biggest need for this team is for guys who can bring a physical and tough presence. And those positions of need include DT, LB, G, C and Tackle. Because watching that packer team completely dominate the LOS and impose their physical will on a supposedly better team was eye opening. Remember the Buffalo game? The bills just rammed it down our throats all day long. It was like watching a bully steal lunch money.
  • Only a blind homer would say the Cowboys are a physical team. We aren’t.
  • For those saying our defense dominated at times last year, I say not unless two things happened: 1. We get multiple turnovers and 2. Got a two score lead. When this team had to rely on its defense to keep them in the game while behind, it could not do it.
  • The running game was anemic all year. We need an upgrade to the OL and a new RB.

There are tons of players that could help this team. But as I watch the playoff games this weekend, it seems pretty clear the Cowboys - as they are currently constructed - are NOT that close.

The guy who is the dominant face of this franchise by design has had three decades to build a roster he selected, and coached by coaches he is “comfortable” with. And we have 4 wild card wins to show for all that. I only bring this up to remind us that when he says “we are close”, forgive me if I don’t have any confidence in that statement.

We need to get bigger, tougher and if many fans have their way, miraculously find a QB who is an improvement. That’s a tall order. But it starts with being honest, something this front office never seems to do. The Star needs a lot of mirrors these days when it comes to figuring out the problems. But they CAN be fixed if they recognize what they really need.

“have you thought this through? I’m tired of watching Dak suck in big games but do we have better options with this front office?”
So you’re ok with insanity of doing nothing, we aren’t winning anything now so I’ll take my chances on a new QB, but the problem is so many fans are happy just like Jerry with regular season success even though most wins are against the crappier teams. I get it this is simply Jerry not admitting he was wrong again.

 

[IceStar-D7]

I would be ok with a trade and moving on too. The real problem is twofold:

1. Jerry will never agree to a rebuild. Which is what moving on from Dak would mean. It might be exactly what this team needs but the clown in the owners box will never ever agree to that. I was ready to move on from Romo too but it took Romo turning into an injury machine for this org to move on from him.

2. I get that Dak is a big game major disappointment. But you can’t get in a big game in the playoffs without some regular season success. There are loads of teams in this league circling the drain every season because they don’t have even a decent QB. I just can’t see the Jones boys ever allowing that to happen.

Jerry and Giggles would rather have ten straight seasons just like the one we just had than have a season or two to rebuild and reload. They just won’t do it.

Giggles the clown....

 

[IceStar-D7]

“have you thought this through? I’m tired of watching Dak suck in big games but do we have better options with this front office?”
So you’re ok with insanity of doing nothing, we aren’t winning anything now so I’ll take my chances on a new QB, but the problem is so many fans are happy just like Jerry with regular season success even though most wins are against the crappier teams. I get it this is simply Jerry not admitting he was wrong again.

In the end it doesn't matter what we think or want. BoZo and Giggles are in charge. What we wanted hasn't mattered to either for nearly 30 years.

 

[McKDaddy]

This next point is big IMO. The biggest need for this team is for guys who can bring a physical and tough presence. And those positions of need include DT, LB, G, C and Tackle. Because watching that packer team completely dominate the LOS and impose their physical will on a supposedly better team was eye opening. Remember the Buffalo game? The bills just rammed it down our throats all day long. It was like watching a bully steal lunch money.

• Only a blind homer would say the Cowboys are a physical team. We aren’t.
• For those saying our defense dominated at times last year, I say not unless two things happened: 1. We get multiple turnovers and 2. Got a two score lead. When this team had to rely on its defense to keep them in the game while behind, it could not do it.
• The running game was anemic all year. We need an upgrade to the OL and a new RB.

GB punched the bully in the face for the majority of the game. Yet our "big name" players can't create even a small hole more than say 5% of the time against even much lesser opponents.

So glad we didn't take Torrence or keep McGovern. Nice watching them playing for a real organization that values moving the other teams player.

 

[zerofill]

Job is a job,pal. Dak's salary is minimal compared to what Jerry gets. He's a so called GM and gets paid for doing it. Pays himself of course. But I bet it's a ton more then Dak makes. Heck the Japanese pitcher-hitter is getting close to a billion dollars.You think he's going to shave any off for the team? We just need the GM to do his job. If he had signed Dak a year or so before his contract ended. We could of gotten Dak for half of what he's making now. Jerry betted on Jerry and lost. Can't blame Dak.

I don't blame Dak that he took the money. That is up to him. I do not in anyway think a Ring is that important to him as it is to many others.
I think he is just more like if a ring comes it comes.

Players can't go by what Jerry makes. Cap is the Cap no matter what Jerry makes. If they want to do something about that they need to bring that up with the NFL.
Although Jerry took all the risks, and not now, but for years and years worked way more than they do. With way more responsibility and financial risk every step of the way.

I wouldn't care what they got paid, if there wasn't a Cap that you had to work around.

 

[Ken]

Let’s talk about what it will take to build this team into a true contender for a championship. So…What does this team need (besides a new GM?, lol) In order to fix this team’s many weaknesses, here are my big picture roster recommendations:

• Before talking about any specific player, the first thing this team needs OVERALL is to recognize they aren’t as close as they like to think. This team is STILL way too soft, too small on defense, not nasty enough at DL, and still incapable of imposing its will on either side of the ball. DT, LB, OL, and RB are huge needs for this team.

• Everyone talks about needing another QB. And honestly, I’m ready to consider that. Dak is not as bad as way too many here think, but sometimes when your QB can’t seem to raise his level of play in the biggest moments, it becomes that much harder to make it happen the next time. BUT…then I start thinking about who will be his replacement? Ugh. It’s not that easy.
  • Trey Lance? Are we willing to just throw him the keys without any test drive? The guy the niners gave up on is our new starter? I’m not ready to say that.
  • The draft? Don’t see how with the 24th pick we can be reasonably sure that can produce someone who can step in and win playoff games. Besides the Jones front office somehow refuses year after to even consider drafting a QB early.
  • Cooper Rush? Please.
  • I wouldn’t mind seeing a trade for Dak because I guarantee there are teams who would like his services. He would have to approve it but he may be ready to consider it. I would if I were him. But his contract situation is complicated. If Dak would approve a trade to a willing partner in a “sign and trade” type deal, some teams might do that for a first round pick.
  • But again…who is your QB then?
• For everyone screaming for Dak to go…have you thought this through? I’m tired of watching Dak suck in big games but do we have better options with this front office?

​

• This next point is big IMO. The biggest need for this team is for guys who can bring a physical and tough presence. And those positions of need include DT, LB, G, C and Tackle. Because watching that packer team completely dominate the LOS and impose their physical will on a supposedly better team was eye opening. Remember the Buffalo game? The bills just rammed it down our throats all day long. It was like watching a bully steal lunch money.
  • Only a blind homer would say the Cowboys are a physical team. We aren’t.
  • For those saying our defense dominated at times last year, I say not unless two things happened: 1. We get multiple turnovers and 2. Got a two score lead. When this team had to rely on its defense to keep them in the game while behind, it could not do it.
  • The running game was anemic all year. We need an upgrade to the OL and a new RB.

There are tons of players that could help this team. But as I watch the playoff games this weekend, it seems pretty clear the Cowboys - as they are currently constructed - are NOT that close.

The guy who is the dominant face of this franchise by design has had three decades to build a roster he selected, and coached by coaches he is “comfortable” with. And we have 4 wild card wins to show for all that. I only bring this up to remind us that when he says “we are close”, forgive me if I don’t have any confidence in that statement.

We need to get bigger, tougher and if many fans have their way, miraculously find a QB who is an improvement. That’s a tall order. But it starts with being honest, something this front office never seems to do. The Star needs a lot of mirrors these days when it comes to figuring out the problems. But they CAN be fixed if they recognize what they really need.

Agree with most of this....open to a trade of Dak for a haul but it would really hamper us doing anything this year bc 61 mill would accelerate.

So...I am all for getting him extended, ceedee and Micah extended. Freeing up.a bunch of money and filling in the holes you mentioned.

We have to run the ball. Give me Josh Jacobs and a draft pick.

Grab a couple of plug type DL and let our FAs walk. Draft a Big athletic LB. Deep draft at OT...grab one in the first.

Then we are ready to go to war next year.

 

[IceStar-D7]

GB punched the bully in the face for the majority of the game. Yet our "big name" players can't create even a small hole more than say 5% of the time against even much lesser opponents.

So glad we didn't take Torrence or keep McGovern. Nice watching them playing for a real organization that values moving the other teams player.

All about atmosphere and coaching. Most Dallas players do well after getting out of the Big Top Circus.

 

[Bobhaze]

Exactly, this FO has no urgency or never been good at being proactive and anticipating issues with player status/development. Collins, Cooper, Zeke and now Pollard all let go with no one in mind to replace. Tyron issue as well. This FO has to be forced into looking for outside options and it will be the same with Dak. I have no pity for them since they placed themselves in this predicament by never looking for any competent backup who could threaten him for playing time or push him to get better. Especially mentally. He is coddled and handled with kid gloves and now you are in the same position when Romo was up for his contract extension. Stuck over a barrel. Rip the band aid off, and look for someone.. in the meantime develop Lance who you have currently and you may need to resign Rush who we have seen can be adequate replacement for a while. Of course with MM's neck on the line this season, i am sure none of this will be considered and status quo will be the solution. Just saying, answers and solutions are there, but they can't handle the truth. So they deserve to be where they are.

Well said. What’s even crazier to me, is watching Jerry give up a 4th round pick for Lance with apparently no intentions of actually making him a viable starter at QB. It almost looked at the time like he was just using the Lance trade as a bargaining chip with Dak’s contract negotiations.

This organization locks down on a QB without any thoughts about developing a successor until they have no choice.

Imagine SF just saying “TreyLance is our guy” and never hedging their bet by drafting Purdy. Or the pats saying we have a real starter in Bledsoe and never draft Brady. It’s incredibly short sighted and exactly the kind of thinking that would get 30 other GMs fired for malpractice.

 

[McKDaddy]

The Dak thing has never seemed complicated to me. He can't do what he's paid to do. So move on and try the next guy. Whether that's Trey Lance or a draft pick. Why the soap opera goodbye?

We're not risking anything by letting him go. If the next guy is a flop we won't win. Just like we don't win with Prescott. I don't see the difference. In fact I'll trade you a meaningless division title and first round playoff exit for a higher draft pick and an opportunity to audition a new QB who may be the guy. I already know the guy we have now isn't him.

I don't get why this is even in question.

I also fully understand we have the worst owner in professional sports and this stiff will get a new contract.

I have been saying this for years. Losing with a guy you know will deliver the loss is no better than losing with a coin flip guy. Roll on Risen Star. Roll on.

 

[charron]

Biggest thing to address is the fact that most of the Dallas cowboys players are ok with losing. I know they say all the right things but look at some facts:

No vocal emotional leader- You need guys like Dak. Stand up good guy that everyone likes but you also need guys who will get in people's face.
Same goes for the coaches. You can't have wade without having a parcels type to help balance things out and push players. McCarthy is a players coach, most like him but what coach is currently pushing these guys to not accept mediocrity abd to be better?

These guys need a leader/gm who benches players for celebrating lowly wins. You don't party all night because you beat the Giants. You don't celebrate making the playoffs. Parcels was a master motivator and got more with less. McCarthy needs a few guys like that on staff cause it won't come from the GM.

Then start getting rid of players who dumb, penalty prone, with no heart. Start collecting guys who hate to lose, not afraid to be vocal, smart situationally aware guys who study study study.

 

[IceStar-D7]

I don't blame Dak that he took the money. That is up to him. I do not in anyway think a Ring is that important to him as it is to many others.
I think he is just more like if a ring comes it comes.

Players can't go by what Jerry makes. Cap is the Cap no matter what Jerry makes. If they want to do something about that they need to bring that up with the NFL.
Although Jerry took all the risks, and not now, but for years and years worked way more than they do. With way more responsibility and financial risk every step of the way.

I wouldn't care what they got paid, if there wasn't a Cap that you had to work around.

I don't know what Dak thinks. But most players don't give a dime about an extra 150,000 or whatever they get now for a SB win. It's peanuts compared to what they make and some probably blow a SB 150,000 dollar check in one night. Not just NFL players but every sport. Your player is not wired like a Mahomes-Michael Jordan- Irving or Tom Brady. Good luck.....

 

[CCBoy]

There is no fixing it without getting a GM. We've already traded out QBs, traded out all manners of players, got new Jerry friendly coaches, etc.

The culture will remain the same, we'll get the same soft coaching and we'll only go into the season trying to build through the draft and wonder why we got bounced again. Nothing changes without an actual accountable GM.

McCarthy has that power this season at least...he has power to do that. The GM is involved more in group discussion. McCarthy still has lot's of power here.

 

[john van brocklin]

Build a winner? Sure. My simple solution…


New owner.

There ya go!

 

[john van brocklin]

Biggest thing to address is the fact that most of the Dallas cowboys players are ok with losing. I know they say all the right things but look at some facts:

No vocal emotional leader- You need guys like Dak. Stand up good guy that everyone likes but you also need guys who will get in people's face.
Same goes for the coaches. You can't have wade without having a parcels type to help balance things out and push players. McCarthy is a players coach, most like him but what coach is currently pushing these guys to not accept mediocrity abd to be better?

These guys need a leader/gm who benches players for celebrating lowly wins. You don't party all night because you beat the Giants. You don't celebrate making the playoffs. Parcels was a master motivator and got more with less. McCarthy needs a few guys like that on staff cause it won't come from the GM.

Then start getting rid of players who dumb, penalty prone, with no heart. Start collecting guys who hate to lose, not afraid to be vocal, smart situationally aware guys who study study study.

Need more Michael Irving's
Less the drugs

 

[CTcowboy203]

Let’s talk about what it will take to build this team into a true contender for a championship. So…What does this team need (besides a new GM?, lol) In order to fix this team’s many weaknesses, here are my big picture roster recommendations:

• Before talking about any specific player, the first thing this team needs OVERALL is to recognize they aren’t as close as they like to think. This team is STILL way too soft, too small on defense, not nasty enough at DL, and still incapable of imposing its will on either side of the ball. DT, LB, OL, and RB are huge needs for this team.

• Everyone talks about needing another QB. And honestly, I’m ready to consider that. Dak is not as bad as way too many here think, but sometimes when your QB can’t seem to raise his level of play in the biggest moments, it becomes that much harder to make it happen the next time. BUT…then I start thinking about who will be his replacement? Ugh. It’s not that easy.
  • Trey Lance? Are we willing to just throw him the keys without any test drive? The guy the niners gave up on is our new starter? I’m not ready to say that.
  • The draft? Don’t see how with the 24th pick we can be reasonably sure that can produce someone who can step in and win playoff games. Besides the Jones front office somehow refuses year after to even consider drafting a QB early.
  • Cooper Rush? Please.
  • I wouldn’t mind seeing a trade for Dak because I guarantee there are teams who would like his services. He would have to approve it but he may be ready to consider it. I would if I were him. But his contract situation is complicated. If Dak would approve a trade to a willing partner in a “sign and trade” type deal, some teams might do that for a first round pick.
  • But again…who is your QB then?
• For everyone screaming for Dak to go…have you thought this through? I’m tired of watching Dak suck in big games but do we have better options with this front office?

​

• This next point is big IMO. The biggest need for this team is for guys who can bring a physical and tough presence. And those positions of need include DT, LB, G, C and Tackle. Because watching that packer team completely dominate the LOS and impose their physical will on a supposedly better team was eye opening. Remember the Buffalo game? The bills just rammed it down our throats all day long. It was like watching a bully steal lunch money.
  • Only a blind homer would say the Cowboys are a physical team. We aren’t.
  • For those saying our defense dominated at times last year, I say not unless two things happened: 1. We get multiple turnovers and 2. Got a two score lead. When this team had to rely on its defense to keep them in the game while behind, it could not do it.
  • The running game was anemic all year. We need an upgrade to the OL and a new RB.

There are tons of players that could help this team. But as I watch the playoff games this weekend, it seems pretty clear the Cowboys - as they are currently constructed - are NOT that close.

The guy who is the dominant face of this franchise by design has had three decades to build a roster he selected, and coached by coaches he is “comfortable” with. And we have 4 wild card wins to show for all that. I only bring this up to remind us that when he says “we are close”, forgive me if I don’t have any confidence in that statement.

We need to get bigger, tougher and if many fans have their way, miraculously find a QB who is an improvement. That’s a tall order. But it starts with being honest, something this front office never seems to do. The Star needs a lot of mirrors these days when it comes to figuring out the problems. But they CAN be fixed if they recognize what they really need.

I agree with most of your thoughts with some minor exceptions. 1) while you covered most bases in regards o the quarterback very rationally, we just have face and accept reality that everything moving forward with this team starts with dak as the qb bc that’s what’s gonna happen when we want or don’t want it to happen.

2) while the team may not be as close as they think, I don’t think they are as far away as you are making them seem either. With a few roster tweaks at positions of need (LB comes to mind) and some small scheme changes the team will be very competitive.

In terms of physicality, i agree the team is not nearly physical enough but I truly feel adding some linebackers who actually play the position and have size will go alone way with stuffing the run.

 

[Whyjerry]

Need more Michael Irving's
Less the drugs

And the scissors

 

[john van brocklin]

And the scissors

Lol, true
But Mike was passionate about winning and verbal about it.
We need more players like that.