Flozel, Demarcus, PacMan, Martellus, T. Newman

[MrPeanutbutter]

Have to laugh seeing wade phillips with a dominate defense. Idk why he couldnt here

That defense was ready-made for him. Neither Kubiak nor Phillips is as good as this team is.

Ask a Texans fan, Kubes is the king of conservative offense. Thank God that was the only option he had with Manning.

 

[robjay04]

Okay Flozell played his best years with us...

Pacman was cut because he is a jerk, he is still a jerk and that pretty much cost his team a playoff win. He was always very talented but I'm glad he isn't here.

Marcellus didn't start for us because he was behind a top 5 guy.

Newman played his best years with us. He wasn't done when we let him go but he looked like a deer in headlights in his last game with us. He needed a fresh start to regain his confidence. He was a salary cap cut.

Demarcus Ware was a salary cap casualty. We knew he had seen his better days and may have a tough time maintaining his health. Him being successful shocks no one in the Cowboys organization.

Wade was always an excellent coordinator. He wouldn't of won a super bowl as a head coach of Denver though.


You casually leave out the Bruce Carters, Laurent Robinsons, Demarco Murrays, Jay Ratliffs, Rob Ryan's etc. that didn't perform so well on other teams. These same type of arguments can be made with every team in the NFL. It's just easy to look at it as an issue for a 4-12 team(a team that was 4-12 not because they are missing any of the production from the players listed)

 

[visionary]

I think you are assigning him too much blame because it is far too painful to assume he has been resisting the things that we do. I think he is exactly like his father and no more or less culpable.

His fault is that he gives fans the illusion of ' a football coach' while actually being just as incompetent at being a HC as jerry is at being a GM

 

[thechosen1n2]

Every single one of the guys mentioned in the OP were let go at the right time.

That sir was not in dispute. I stated it in the comments. This is not to say we should have resigned them, but the point is they left and played better....better than they were playing at the time that they left that is....

 

[thechosen1n2]

Okay Flozell played his best years with us...

Pacman was cut because he is a jerk, he is still a jerk and that pretty much cost his team a playoff win. He was always very talented but I'm glad he isn't here.

Marcellus didn't start for us because he was behind a top 5 guy.

Newman played his best years with us. He wasn't done when we let him go but he looked like a deer in headlights in his last game with us. He needed a fresh start to regain his confidence. He was a salary cap cut.

Demarcus Ware was a salary cap casualty. We knew he had seen his better days and may have a tough time maintaining his health. Him being successful shocks no one in the Cowboys organization.

Wade was always an excellent coordinator. He wouldn't of won a super bowl as a head coach of Denver though.


You casually leave out the Bruce Carters, Laurent Robinsons, Demarco Murrays, Jay Ratliffs, Rob Ryan's etc. that didn't perform so well on other teams. These same type of arguments can be made with every team in the NFL. It's just easy to look at it as an issue for a 4-12 team(a team that was 4-12 not because they are missing any of the production from the players listed)

I did not casually leave them out. Laurent was a product of Tony. Jay Ratliff didnt want to be here and he forced his way out. Demarco is a good argument. Rob Ryan wasnt great here or there. Now here is where you are missing the point. I agree some needed not be resigned and or not paid, but WE thought many of these guys were done. Flozell Had 2 false starts his first year Pittsburgh. Ware made timely plays the last 3 games in denver. As I stated, this was not to say we should have paid those guys, it was that they were not as declined as they looked in dallas.

 

[thechosen1n2]

There's a little bit of revisionist history here.

Explain the revisionist history?

 

[Doomsday101]

I did not casually leave them out. Laurent was a product of Tony. Jay Ratliff didnt want to be here and he forced his way out. Demarco is a good argument. Rob Ryan wasnt great here or there. Now here is where you are missing the point. I agree some needed not be resigned and or not paid, but WE thought many of these guys were done. Flozell Had 2 false starts his first year Pittsburgh. Ware made timely plays the last 3 games in denver. As I stated, this was not to say we should have paid those guys, it was that they were not as declined as they looked in dallas.

Ware struggled due to persistent injury and given the price tag the Cowboys did what they felt they had to do. It was no secret about these injuries. He is now healthy again and playing great

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Fans have been calling Ware soft for years. The softest most nice guy sack machine in the history of the league. Those same fans are now proudly wearing their old Ware jerseys. Stop trying to rationalize this fan base. They're more fickle than Jerry Jones.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Wait a minute. Flozell left and was worse when he left here. Demarcus Ware....he wanted him back but his contract wasn't supported by his play and its STILL not. Terrence Newman was never really a bad corner here but once again his contract didn't warrant what he was giving us on the field. Wade was a terrible head coach here and his defense had given up on him. Martellus was a goof ball who has been on 3 different teams despite being a great talent.

The culture sucks here. I get it. But i'm not sure if these examples best support that.

What about all the guys who left here and played terrible? What about Roy Williams? UT Roy Williams? Tank Johnson? Marion Barber? Kingpin Sam Hurd? Patrick Crayton? Jay Ratliff? Laurent Robinson? You can find a list of guys that go against your argument as well.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I did not casually leave them out. Laurent was a product of Tony. Jay Ratliff didnt want to be here and he forced his way out. Demarco is a good argument. Rob Ryan wasnt great here or there. Now here is where you are missing the point. I agree some needed not be resigned and or not paid, but WE thought many of these guys were done. Flozell Had 2 false starts his first year Pittsburgh. Ware made timely plays the last 3 games in denver. As I stated, this was not to say we should have paid those guys, it was that they were not as declined as they looked in dallas.

But they were. All of those guys were far better in Dallas then they were when they left except Martellus and we know Martellus didn't stand a shot of showing ANYTHING behind Witten.

 

[Silver N Blue]

T.O., Wade Phillips, Joe DeCamillis and we can add the Krakken and Carr to this list next year once we cut or dont sign them again. This is not a thread that we should have kept or paid all of these players to stay. To take it further, I would venture to say that we should not have paid many of them based on their performance on or off the field. The point of this thread is to state that when we they left we thought they were all done, yet they left playing poorly (all but TO) and then they perform better for their new teams.

This points to the culture of the Dallas Cowboys. Im not placing the blame at anyone in particulars feet, but there is something wrong with the culture of the Dallas Cowboys and it funnels down to the product on the field.

Troy hit on this very problem a couple of weeks ago by down playing the lack of practice he showcased an overwhelming internal problem.

 

[Wheeltax]

It's worth pointing out that Ware also has help in Denver, unlike he did here for his last few years.

 

[LittleD]

Most of your criticisms are silly. You & I know nothing will materially change because Jerry doesn't
have to change anything. He continues to fill his stadium, even with the other teams fans. He
continues to sell merchandise buy the Chinese boatloads. He continues to get Dallas area suckers
to pony up big bucks for corporate boxes and suites. He continues to get the biggest audiences
for Dallas Cowboy games. His net worth and the value of the Cowboys franchise continues to
grow. What else could you or he want. Everything is ducky, right?

 

[Alexander]

Have to laugh seeing wade phillips with a dominate defense. Idk why he couldnt here

Because he was trying to run the whole team.

I also think he made a serious mistake trying to do it all himself and really not have a defensive coordinator he could entrust to free him up some. Brian Stewart was awful.

 

[remdak]

It's worth pointing out that Ware also has help in Denver, unlike he did here for his last few years.

Oh come on, Spencer was at least as good as Von Miller.

 

[Nova]

Yeah the Cowboys have released way, way more guys who were unsuccessful elsewhere too.

Don't get bent out of shape for no reason.

On the flip side of things Rolando McClain and Darren McFadden have really turned their careers around here very recently.

 

[Alexander]

On the flip side of things Rolando McClain and Darren McFadden have really turned their careers around here very recently.

Actually they are both one year wonders until they do it again. McClain was unreliable in spurts last year. McFadden played over his head. That is a little different than "turning around their career".

 

[AmishCowboy]

Okay Flozell played his best years with us...

Pacman was cut because he is a jerk, he is still a jerk and that pretty much cost his team a playoff win. He was always very talented but I'm glad he isn't here.

Marcellus didn't start for us because he was behind a top 5 guy.

Newman played his best years with us. He wasn't done when we let him go but he looked like a deer in headlights in his last game with us. He needed a fresh start to regain his confidence. He was a salary cap cut.

Demarcus Ware was a salary cap casualty. We knew he had seen his better days and may have a tough time maintaining his health. Him being successful shocks no one in the Cowboys organization.

Wade was always an excellent coordinator. He wouldn't of won a super bowl as a head coach of Denver though.


You casually leave out the Bruce Carters, Laurent Robinsons, Demarco Murrays, Jay Ratliffs, Rob Ryan's etc. that didn't perform so well on other teams. These same type of arguments can be made with every team in the NFL. It's just easy to look at it as an issue for a 4-12 team(a team that was 4-12 not because they are missing any of the production from the players listed)

Excellent points!

 

[Nexx]

I hate this argument so much. Its so ********. There is so much turnover in this league. So I guess Houston is ruing letting go Owen Daniels, Ryan Harris, Antonio Smith and Gary Kubiak? All former Texans. I'm sure if I look more than 5 minutes to look this up I can find more instances of this.

 

[YosemiteSam]

T.O., Wade Phillips, Joe DeCamillis and we can add the Krakken and Carr to this list next year once we cut or dont sign them again. This is not a thread that we should have kept or paid all of these players to stay. To take it further, I would venture to say that we should not have paid many of them based on their performance on or off the field. The point of this thread is to state that when we they left we thought they were all done, yet they left playing poorly (all but TO) and then they perform better for their new teams.

This points to the culture of the Dallas Cowboys. Im not placing the blame at anyone in particulars feet, but there is something wrong with the culture of the Dallas Cowboys and it funnels down to the product on the field.

We were 12-4 last year. We were 4-12 this year with the loss of Dez, Romo, and Murray. I think for the most part, my math is better than yours.