FO did an impressive job with Brock Hoffman

[1942willys]

Had a little to do with Washington playing multiple backups I'm sure. I mean, Hoffman wasn't even worth keeping on the 53 at the start of the season. I don't think he's advanced to the point where he looks like a capable replacement for Martin, which he did yesterday. It was just a backup going against other backups and winning. The only legit DL the Commanders had out there was Daron Payne. Now, we want our backups to be better than other teams' backups, but that's really all we should take out of this. Hoffman is Cory Proctor at best.

He might make it to Kyle Kosier territory which would be pretty good

 

[gimmesix]

He might make it to Kyle Kosier territory which would be pretty good

I think that may be pushing it. Hoffman held his own against a primarily backup line. That's it. We don't need to overrate him for that. He looked pretty bad at times this preseason, which led to him being waived and brought back on the PS. We knew there was a good chance that nobody would claim him.

 

[Kingofholland]

Isn't it ironic in the Taylor Smith thread yesterday I had to calm everyone down and say hey I've seen both these kids play and I thought they did pretty well this year in spot duty and everyone said Brock Hoffman was trash and they rather have a doga and I said I don't know what you've been watching and here we are now giving props to these guys.. Do I need to go back and bookmark my responses pregame not having to backtrack and now give them props..

We had three backup offensive lineman in Arizona had our best run production game of season that game.. Last night very similar it's very odd that with the backups we seem to run the ball better I don't know if it's an attitude a scheme play calling change but I don't know what it is the starting five have not seem to be that consistent in the run game but these backups seem to be more fresh younger better in the run game then they are the pass game but they held up fine yesterday...
Use Hunter and rico more, more 2 man backfields, use the FB much more , keep tp fresh. In my opinion this should be the new playoff blueprint for the run game...

I think you also have to consider the quality of the opposition, but it is possible that though Tyler Smith is a good linemen he may be a far better a pass blocker than run blocker. Still wondering about him being a better LT than guard.

 

[1942willys]

I think that may be pushing it. Hoffman held his own against a primarily backup line. That's it. We don't need to overrate him for that. He looked pretty bad at times this preseason, which led to him being waived and brought back on the PS. We knew there was a good chance that nobody would claim him.

LIke I said he MIGHT make it
But at least he shows something
unlike Chuma

 

[DripTooHard]

I'm concerned that our running game looks better with backup guards in the lineup

I’m not surprised. Perhaps they haven’t fully grasped the bad run blocking scheme the starters have been coached to use.

 

[blueblood70]

I think you also have to consider the quality of the opposition, but it is possible that though Tyler Smith is a good linemen he may be a far better a pass blocker than run blocker. Still wondering about him being a better LT than guard.

Well no one's really saying that our backups are better than our starters they just happen to play better yes we are considering that but they're playing against talent that are considered equal and they played really well that's all you can ask but at least we know there's not gonna be a giant drop off in real games against better talent you have confidence in your backups that's all we're saying that it's nice to know that we're not gonna have a Chaz green game where the whole game is lost by losing 1 lineman... And no I think Tyler Smith is a better left guard than a left tackle he's been great all year until he got injured it's Tyler biotech that's the problem in the run game he don't have a big enough lower body he gets bull rushed a lot he's better in the past game than the run game Zach Martin's getting a little older but no one's saying that our backups are better than our starters we're literally just trying to give them a little bit of love here... If you saw the overreactions in pregame when they found out Zach Martin was out we were gonna have two backup left guards they act like the whole game was going to change and they were running to change their predictions to a closer game or a loss that's how bad it was so we're just trying to tell people to calm down it wasn't really going to be that bad... And yes the opponent is part of the equation...

 

[Beaker42]

I'm concerned that our running game looks better with backup guards in the lineup

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. Smith and Martin book ending Biadasz are not getting it done in the run game.

 

[pansophy]

I'm concerned that our running game looks better with backup guards in the lineup

Washington had the league worst defense in yards allowed even with their starters, and they were missing guys. I’d be worried if we couldn’t even run against those guys.

 

[Coogiguy03]

It's very impressive what the front office has done with the back up oline with Brock Hoffman and Bass.

we got lucky

 

[jujoboys]

It looked better because the competition was crap.

As soon as they play a real team this thread can be universally laughed at.

So you are saying that John Ridgeway is not good? I can't believe they were able to hold that guy to only 1 tackle. lol

On a serious note, it was nice to see those guys get some reps. Hopefully we won't need them in the playoffs but you never know. Them getting a little game action and some confidence can't hurt regardless of who they were going against.

 

[VaqueroTD]

FO is last one that deserves credit for last night other than they signed the dude.

No practice entire week, thought that Zack Martin was playing. Coaching staff kept same plays and made it work.

And of course huge kudos to Hoffman for preparing as if he would be starter, sacking up and making it work last second. He looks pumped and full of confidence as leaves game.

 

[glimmerman]

Isn't it ironic in the Taylor Smith thread yesterday I had to calm everyone down and say hey I've seen both these kids play and I thought they did pretty well this year in spot duty and everyone said Brock Hoffman was trash and they rather have a doga and I said I don't know what you've been watching and here we are now giving props to these guys.. Do I need to go back and bookmark my responses pregame not having to backtrack and now give them props..

We had three backup offensive lineman in Arizona had our best run production game of season that game.. Last night very similar it's very odd that with the backups we seem to run the ball better I don't know if it's an attitude a scheme play calling change but I don't know what it is the starting five have not seem to be that consistent in the run game but these backups seem to be more fresh younger better in the run game then they are the pass game but they held up fine yesterday...
Use Hunter and rico more, more 2 man backfields, use the FB much more , keep tp fresh. In my opinion this should be the new playoff blueprint for the run game...

On another team these guys could be starters. They just need experience..

 

[gimmesix]

LIke I said he MIGHT make it
But at least he shows something
unlike Chuma

I think Edoga had plenty of opportunities to prove himself as a tackle (specifically a left tackle) before we signed him. Making him the backup left tackle was asinine. He's a guard backup and maybe right tackle backup at best. Put Hoffman out at left tackle and he'd probably look worse than Edoga did.

I really think our hope in the preseason was that Waletzko would prove worthy of being the LT backup. Once that failed, though, I think we would have been better off planning on kicking Tyler out to LT and inserting Edoga at LG when Tyron missed games. If Edoga struggled, then we could have given Bass a try.

 

[rambo2]

it is easier to get guards then it is tackles so no real surprise

It seemed to surprise the people that complained all year about the oline and the draft.

 

[HungryLion]

Thanks Stephen

 

[Kingofholland]

Well no one's really saying that our backups are better than our starters they just happen to play better yes we are considering that but they're playing against talent that are considered equal and they played really well that's all you can ask but at least we know there's not gonna be a giant drop off in real games against better talent you have confidence in your backups that's all we're saying that it's nice to know that we're not gonna have a Chaz green game where the whole game is lost by losing 1 lineman... And no I think Tyler Smith is a better left guard than a left tackle he's been great all year until he got injured it's Tyler biotech that's the problem in the run game he don't have a big enough lower body he gets bull rushed a lot he's better in the past game than the run game Zach Martin's getting a little older but no one's saying that our backups are better than our starters we're literally just trying to give them a little bit of love here... If you saw the overreactions in pregame when they found out Zach Martin was out we were gonna have two backup left guards they act like the whole game was going to change and they were running to change their predictions to a closer game or a loss that's how bad it was so we're just trying to tell people to calm down it wasn't really going to be that bad... And yes the opponent is part of the equation...

Its definitely nice to get the backups some work and not see the offense struggle, but you're right fans jump to conclusions after a single game or occurence. Many fans talent evaluations stretch 1 game which is why every week we see this specific player is trash and this player should get more time type of threads. Regardlesa is seems we're building some solid depth on the interior of the line.

 

[conner01]

no I'm pointing out the fact that pregame I was pointing out that we need to relax because I had confidence in these guys so yeah I keep receipts there are a lot of people in there that were absolutely out of control go look at the Tyler Smith thread then after that I won't be replying to you anymore but I just wanted to keep it real I get tired of the just out of control exaggerations and the overreactions before a game and then everyone coming in and acting like they have to apologize and backtrack it's ridiculous... So yeah I have a right to come back and keep receipts when people are telling me I don't know what I'm talking about and they're glad I'm not a coach yeah that was one dude maybe that was you but I literally was trying to steady the ship people were literally thinking we were gonna lose to Washington because we were missing our two guards it literally they started changing their predictions etc

I thought Hoffman played ok at center earlier in the year. I’d be interested in seeing an in depth look at his play. I think we will need a center next year but he might be a nice center/guard guy who can develop

 

[blueblood70]

I thought Hoffman played ok at center earlier in the year. I’d be interested in seeing an in depth look at his play. I think we will need a center next year but he might be a nice center/guard guy who can develop

I'm still telling you it takes reps it takes time they showed enough that there is some confidence here like say we gotta move on from TB who by the way pretty good in the past game I like the way he pulls gets out in the zone but he's still too light and gets bull rushed real easy I can see us transitioning to another center like Hoffman in in time that's what training camp is preseason is for you get enough reps he might be better we don't know this until he gets significant playing time.... You remember when everyone said that Terrence Steele was trash lot of people didn't like Doug free literally a lot of us saw small things in spot duty that could make these guys good players and you know what the coaches were right the supporters were right put them on the field let them play they will grow...

And I know Terrence Steele post injury is not the same but he was our best run blocker bar none before his injury it affected our whole season and our run game last year after he went down.... All we're saying here and I see it even in a guy like Richards has some raw talent these guys can be groomed and we're just trying to point out that all the overreactions before the game work for not that we're trying to tell people that we have some backups that possibly could could grow into starters eventually....

 

[blueblood70]

I think Edoga had plenty of opportunities to prove himself as a tackle (specifically a left tackle) before we signed him. Making him the backup left tackle was asinine. He's a guard backup and maybe right tackle backup at best. Put Hoffman out at left tackle and he'd probably look worse than Edoga did.

I really think our hope in the preseason was that Waletzko would prove worthy of being the LT backup. Once that failed, though, I think we would have been better off planning on kicking Tyler out to LT and inserting Edoga at LG when Tyron missed games. If Edoga struggled, then we could have given Bass a try.

First of all the jury still out on Wally I think he actually has something he can't stay healthy... I believe the coaches know a little bit more than you because they see the guy in practice breakdown game tape and I believe they know what positions these guys are stronger at and that is why Edoga has been playing swing tackle... Why would you move your swing guards how to tackle when they possibly could be Chaz green and I believe the coaches have inside information on who might be better at these positions or they would have already did it they're not purposely making that guy your backup tackle because of what you think he's blackmailing them?? But again we have ball and Wally but in my opinion Richards probably has more raw talent that I believe he will get that opportunity next year at left tackle... I mean tyron might be back but we're gonna need a guy who can take some significant snaps and I believe it's gonna be Richards I know he's not been active a lot but the stuff I've seen from him he's got the body type he's physical but he's really raw I think he's what we all thought Tyler Smith was gonna be and didn't realize he was gonna be good right away but Richards is a raw talent....

 

[CCBoy]

It looked better because the competition was crap.

As soon as they play a real team this thread can be universally laughed at.

That true? Now tell us just what it was that was looking so easy...not projecting maybe's and just doubts.