Hostile;4420629 said:
1. Jerry, the owner needs to fire Jerry the GM, and hire a GM. Owners should stay out of football decisions. He is the constant. He is what is wrong.
That would be true. He is the one constant. He is the guy responsible for all these bad players and failed coaches.
2. Three years ago I explain that the GM duties are multi-faceted and carried out by several people with the Cowboys. It is denied.
Even if that was true, it's a flawed system. You don't have multiple GMs, you have one. Otherwise you have no clear direction.
And even if you disagree, you certainly don't remain in the same structure when it fails year, after year, after year.
One more point. After reading your theory of what a GM is, you might be the last guy I want "explaining" anything to me on the subject.
This isn't a classroom. You're not the teacher.
3. Begrudgingly it is accepted that Stephen Jones does handle contracts.
Who doesn't admit that? What team doesn't have a cap man for this purpose? How is this relevant to the GM discussion? Or did you think GM's routinely handle all contracts? Somebody might need to brush up on NFL Front Office 101.
4. Stephen Jones goes from our hope for the future, to someone who doesn't know what he is doing. As a poster with an anti-Jerry agenda pointed out, we need a patsy.
All we can judge Stephen on is his failed tenure here handling contracts and pretending he's a talent evaluator. This team has been riddled with bad contracts and bad players since he's been here.
Now could he be a good owner once he takes over and hire somebody qualified to run the team? Sure. But he could also be just like his daddy. We don't know. You don't know. You only hope you know.
5. I explain that GM is a title, that it is the duties that matter. It is denied. GM is the great and powerful Oz position. All things revolve around the yellow brick road to the GM.
More of your explanations. As if we're gonna get a test on it later.
Yes. The GM is the alpha male in the room of all NFL front offices. That is true. There simply isn't a more important individual within the team than the guy with final say on player, coaching and scouting decisions.
6. I explain that Tom Ciskowski is our talent evaluator, that before him it was Jeff Ireland, and before him Larry Lacewell. That they have different titles than GM, just like Scott Pioli did in New England, but that they handle the same essential duties. I forgot about Oz again. It is denied.
Tom Ciskowski is the assistant director of personnel. He's the 3rd guy on the totem pole. All teams have these guys within their system. They're nothing like a GM. Tom Ciskowski didn't fire Wade Phillips. He didn't hire Jason Garrett. He's not even making final determinations on player acquisition. He's merely a resource for our true decision makers.
7. In fact it is pointed out that GMs must be so engrossed in their duties of talent evaluation that they have no time for any other duties. Leaves me wondering how Mike Holmgren had time to coach while he carried the GM title in Seattle. How Bill Belichick has time to coach as he carries it in New England.
GM is a full time gig. Rarely can a coach do both. You just mentioned two future hall of famers right there. But I will point out that both had more success with less on their plate.
8. I also explain that all NFL owners are involved in football operations. It is originally denied, then bregrudgingly accepted. Especially in light of what is happening in Pittsburgh, that all owners do have final say in football matters because it is their corporation.
I don't know who accepted that nonsense about all owners being involved in football operations. Certainly not me. Take a look around the league with honest eyes. They're not structured like we are.
As for Pittsburgh, Dodger basically blew that out of the water in the other thread in the news zone. You want it to be the case in Pittsburgh. It simply isn't.
Quick show of hands, who honestly believes the Steelers have been run in the same fashion as the Cowboys since Jimmy left?
9. Now somehow, magically the original argument still exists but it completely ignores the point above. Jerry, as owner, would still have final say on all football matters if he gave someone the GM title. Just like all owners. Nothing would change except the title. Rejected.
He'd have final say in terms of ultimately deciding whether that GM keeps his job. But he wouldn't be making decisions for his GM. You can't have a GM and make decisions for the GM. Because then you become the GM.
I'd highly suggest you brush up on how NFL teams are structured. Because you're all over the map here.
10. I suppose that if the title were given to Ciskowski some here would hate it. I ask how his duties would change. No one has any answers. I'll tell you how they would change. Not in the slightest.
Well, it depends on the lunatic owner. Is it a real GM position where Ciskowski now holds full authority on all coaching, scouting and personnel issues? Because if it's that, it's a huge change and figures to benefit the franchise.
And if that were to ever take place, my first suggestion for GM Tom would be to fire Stephen Jones and get himself a real Director of Personnel.
If it's not a real GM position and Jerry's merely re-arranging titles to take the heat off himself, I agree. There'd be no real change.
11. But what really gets me is how owners are in the loop and have final say, but if Jerry stepped down as GM he wouldn't. Somehow, in Jerry's case, the GM now saves us from him having final say over his corporation.
He'd always have final say in the people running his organization. He wouldn't have final say in the decisions those people make. Big difference.
It is the most remarkable football fairy tale of all time and what gets me is how many otherwise intelligent posters can't see the media worm they are swallowing.
If GMs are the power structure of football how come none of them were involved in the CBA negotiations except Jerry and Mike Brown, two owners? They would be the ones who know what things would be good for football and therefore their teams, right?
Wake up, the coffee's fresh.
I find this comical. Your stance on this issue basically is akin to me in believing in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. It's a theory that Jerry himself tells you is wrong every offseason. We are structured unlike any other team in the league. His words. Not mine.
Why would a GM be involved in CBA negotations? This is another comment of yours that leads me to believe the real issue here is you have no idea what a GM is supposed to do in an organization. The CBA is a league business issue.
