Football is just a sport, what they do should only matter on sunday

[2233boys]

I expect a certain amount of class, winning is important but being a world class team of thugs is nothing I would take pride in and not worth paying money to see. Sorry winning is not everything some where along the line people lost that concept

I guess than we won't agree and we can agree to disagree...

This is a business and the business about winning... The teams are made up or a cross section of our society, the good and the bad... That is the way the world is, if you want a team full of saints the closest you will get is following a team with the name Saints.

 

[2233boys]

I think all you guys should grow up and get jobs in Congress. That way you can change all this stuff and set things right.

Until then, it's against the law.

Yeah, just because something is against the law doesn't make the law fair, right or justified...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I guess than we won't agree and we can agree to disagree...

This is a business and the business about winning... The teams are made up or a cross section of our society, the good and the bad... That is the way the world is, if you want a team full of saints the closest you will get is following a team with the name Saints.

Your right. It's a business and a business has to cater to those who pay the bills. In the NFL, that would be TV. TV sells to business who are trying to do business with those who can afford to do the business. That would not be the segamant of our cross section who sit home and get stoned.

Nothing personal but that's business and that's why its rediculous for the NFL to allow weed to be used openly.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, just because something is against the law doesn't make the law fair, right or justified...

What difference? In this country, anybody can change a law if you can sell it. Go sell it and good luck with that.

 

[2233boys]

Your right. It's a business and a business has to cater to those who pay the bills. In the NFL, that would be TV. TV sells to business who are trying to do business with those who can afford to do the business. That would not be the segamant of our cross section who sit home and get stoned.

Nothing personal but that's business and that's why its rediculous for the NFL to allow weed to be used openly.

You bring up a good point in regards to TV... But in the end each team determines its success by wins and losses. Not how many good people or bad people are on the team.

By the way, I never said that they should allow it openly... I said that pot being illegal was ridiculous.

 

[Doomsday101]

I guess than we won't agree and we can agree to disagree...

This is a business and the business about winning... The teams are made up or a cross section of our society, the good and the bad... That is the way the world is, if you want a team full of saints the closest you will get is following a team with the name Saints.

I don't expect a bunch of church going players or saints but by the same token I don't expect a bunch of criminals either. Your right we will disagree on this because sorry winning is not everything there has to be some line drawn in the sand of right and wrong no matter what business your in.

 

[2233boys]

What difference? In this country, anybody can change a law if you can sell it. Go sell it and good luck with that.

I've been trying. It will happen it is a matter of time. Thanks for the well wishes...

 

[2233boys]

I don't expect a bunch of church going players or saints but by the same token I don't expect a bunch of criminals either. Your right we will disagree on this because sorry winning is not everything there has to be some line drawn in the sand of right and wrong no matter what business your in.

I would prefer that the Cowboys were all great guys, but if they aren't; I am not going to turn in my Cowboys fan membership card...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I've been trying. It will happen it is a matter of time. Thanks for the well wishes...

Absolutly.

 

[cobra]

Oh, boy.

Isn't it cute?

Another post from a... dare I say "youngin"... about how character doesn't matter that transforms into a discussion about weed is ok.

This post and resulting thread is a proof of Freud's theory that he articulated in his book "Civilization and its Discontents."

The law is the law, and we don't get to choose which laws to follow. If you don't like the law, then you pursue changing it through the representative process in our legislatures.

Team sports require the following of various rules, both explicit in terms of on-the-field rules and team policies, and implicit in the nature of developed trust among teammates and with fans.

Those that cannot follow the laws because they choose personal satisfaction over civilized behavior are likely to also be the kind of people who put personal satisfaction and motivations over the team's. Team sports require a commmitment to the team in order to succeed. Individualism is an anthema to the concept of team. It is why the military trains against individualism in favor of team and conformity.

Quite simply, if the goal is to make a great team, why would you consider someone who doesn't put the team ahead of himself? Someone who finds their personal gratification more important than team's?

I don't expect this statement to convince those whom I am chastising. People who think And1 individual match-ups are more interesting and entertaining than teamwork aren't apt to accept the value of teamwork and committment to the team.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would prefer that the Cowboys were all great guys, but if they aren't; I am not going to turn in my Cowboys fan membership card...

But you will turn in the membership if we don't win it all?

 

[Kittymama]

You guys are joking, right? Can you imagine what our reaction would be if Extremeskins or an Iggles board were having this type of discussion?

You really want to claim that drugs didn't affect how Quincy played or acted? Ricky Williams should be one of the greatest running backs in history. He's now become just a sad shadow of what he could/should have been--because of drugs. Those who think pot (& yes alcohol) don't affect your brain & your physical abilities are fooling themselves.

And you're really sitting there typing that off-the-field activities like beating up people, rape, shooting guns, acting like a thug shouldn't matter? Let me ask you this--which team do you think will get to the Super Bowl sooner: the Pats or the new Jailblazers currently known as the Bengals? If nothing else, their inability to control themselves off the field means there are some emotional issues in play. That's eventually going to take a toll on the field or in the lockerroom.

Sorry, but I expect that players for a team I support should be players that I at least don't have to apologize to my kids about (sweetie, I know I told you not to take drugs, but Ricky Williams runs really really fast, so it's ok). I don't expect choirboys, but I also don't expect murderers (Ray Lewis), dopeheads (Ricky Williams), wife beaters (too many athletes to count), rapists (Kobe Bryant) to be representing my team. I'm certainly not going to excuse a co-worker of mine for doing something like that just because he/she is a good worker--why would I excuse an athlete for that?

 

[BigDFan5]

Dude, it is just weed. It never hurt no one.

My cousin was killed in a head on collision, the driver of the other car was stoned and drifted into her lane. I think she may disagree with "it never hirt no one" if she was able to.

 

[doomsday81]

people are saying, oh he does this dont want him on my team. For example chris henry, great player but got into trouble that shouldnt even matter if what he does on sunday is play. People go deep into players lifes and anything they do they will hold against them. Its insane i say if he shows up on sunday let him smoke all the pot he wants do drugs. its not our bussiness. Granted i do not condone drugs, raping pulling guns. But that is there personal life and should not be included with the players nfl life.

Raping people is "personal?" This may be a knee-jerk reaction but this post is so stupid, I think the person who started it should be banned. Sure, football is just a sport and I don't like it when fans say, "Oh, he's a class act" just because the guy plays for their favorite team, despite the fact they know nothing about him. However, when superstars break the law, it's going to be reported. I'm actually embarassed that I responded to this post. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it differs from mine, but this post is the epitome of stupidity. If a player rapes someone and you think it's just their own personal business and you don't mind rooting for him, you have much bigger problems than me calling you an idiot my friend.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

My cousin was killed in a head on collision, the driver of the other car was stoned and drifted into her lane. I think she may disagree with "it never hirt no one" if she was able to.

I believe Abersonic was teasing with that statement. If you review his posts, you may see him to be in disagreement with that position but your statement is relivant. I do not agree with the statement, "it never hurt anybody."

 

[BigDFan5]

I believe Abersonic was teasing with that statement. If you review his posts, you may see him to be in disagreement with that position but your statement is relivant. I do not agree with the statement, "it never hurt anybody."

Sorry to Abe is he was joking, I have seen that before in a non teasing manner on other boards and it is kind of a touchy thing for me so I miss the sarcasm in it. No offense abe my mistake.

 

[locked&loaded]

You guys are joking, right? Can you imagine what our reaction would be if Extremeskins or an Iggles board were having this type of discussion?

You really want to claim that drugs didn't affect how Quincy played or acted? Ricky Williams should be one of the greatest running backs in history. He's now become just a sad shadow of what he could/should have been--because of drugs. Those who think pot (& yes alcohol) don't affect your brain & your physical abilities are fooling themselves.

And you're really sitting there typing that off-the-field activities like beating up people, rape, shooting guns, acting like a thug shouldn't matter? Let me ask you this--which team do you think will get to the Super Bowl sooner: the Pats or the new Jailblazers currently known as the Bengals? If nothing else, their inability to control themselves off the field means there are some emotional issues in play. That's eventually going to take a toll on the field or in the lockerroom.

Sorry, but I expect that players for a team I support should be players that I at least don't have to apologize to my kids about (sweetie, I know I told you not to take drugs, but Ricky Williams runs really really fast, so it's ok). I don't expect choirboys, but I also don't expect murderers (Ray Lewis), dopeheads (Ricky Williams), wife beaters (too many athletes to count), rapists (Kobe Bryant) to be representing my team. I'm certainly not going to excuse a co-worker of mine for doing something like that just because he/she is a good worker--why would I excuse an athlete for that?

HA, cocaine didnt seem to affect michael irvin. Pot deffinetly didnt affect rickys playing he was great, he fought for ever damn yard he got. Quincy was talented, the drugs did not affect his playing, if he was clean he woudl of played the same. and if you disagree you have no proof. And to the guy who called me a youngin'. Thats awsome stereotyping younger kids saying they dont know anything about life because we havent lived long enough. I said i dont condone drugs alcohol etc. i dont do any of them. But people dig to deep into players life, its a childs game. They play a sport and get paid for it, its for the fans entertainment dotn start judging players about what there life is like. People melt when the players have had a hard life and said "ma when im older you wont have to work" thats great im sure many kids said it, heck i said it. And than if someone does drugs they have there torches and pitch forks. look at the Owens deal, everything gets blown out of perportion. thats the fans fault, who cares hes cocky as all heck. But he backs it up he shows up on sunday. thats all that should matter, people obsess. its just a sport dont buy to much into the player, root for them. Cheer but dont involve yourself in there personal life.

 

[Doomsday101]

HA, cocaine didnt seem to affect michael irvin. Pot deffinetly didnt affect rickys playing he was great, he fought for ever damn yard he got. Quincy was talented, the drugs did not affect his playing, if he was clean he woudl of played the same. and if you disagree you have no proof. And to the guy who called me a youngin'. Thats awsome stereotyping younger kids saying they dont know anything about life because we havent lived long enough. I said i dont condone drugs alcohol etc. i dont do any of them. But people dig to deep into players life, its a childs game. They play a sport and get paid for it, its for the fans entertainment dotn start judging players about what there life is like. People melt when the players have had a hard life and said "ma when im older you wont have to work" thats great im sure many kids said it, heck i said it. And than if someone does drugs they have there torches and pitch forks. look at the Owens deal, everything gets blown out of perportion. thats the fans fault, who cares hes cocky as all heck. But he backs it up he shows up on sunday. thats all that should matter, people obsess. its just a sport dont buy to much into the player, root for them. Cheer but dont involve yourself in there personal life.

That is your version of sports, nothing matters as long as you win. Sorry I can't bring myself to say winning matters at any and all cost. I see nothing to be proud of. It would be like saying several members of my team gang rape a girl but we won the SB. who cares

 

[locked&loaded]

That is your version of sports, nothing matters as long as you win. Sorry I can't bring myself to say winning matters at any and all cost. I see nothing to be proud of. It would be like saying several members of my team gang rape a girl but we won the SB. who cares

thats the worst analogy ever.

 

[Doomsday101]

thats the worst analogy ever.

Sorry if you don't like it. For me I'm not paid one red cent to watch the games I do so because of the love of the game and have been a fan of this club for over 40 years win or lose and I do expect a player to conduct himself as a professional on and off the field, to stay out of trouble and to keep clean. They are getting paid well enough to expect nothing less than that. If all you care about in sports is winning at any and all cost that is your right to do so but I can't agree with it. Too bad people have lowered their expectation to this level.