For all those who still believe in Martyb

[KJJ]

How do you know I am going to disagree with everything you say unless you already know you're always wrong?

Agreeing with me will only make my case. LOL It's clear you don't want that to happen that's why you keep tap dancing and taking sides with everyone else like you who has no stance. :toast:

After 2 years in the NFL you don't have the skins on the wall to say someone is a bust. Until you can show me some NFL credentials all you have is your opinion. I hate to break this to you Skippy, but that and a buck 25 will buy you a Coke.

I haven't been in the NFL for 2 years. LOL I've never been in the NFL period but I golf with alot of active players and have been watching the game long enough to know when a player isn't living up to their draft status. Let's see your NFL skins Lombardi throw out your name and allow me to google you. LOL Unless you've been a GM you don't know anymore than me. All you'll be providing is your opinion just like the talking heads do on ESPN and NFL Network. Do you agree with everything they say? They're giving their opinions and they're wrong alot of the time.

The Dallas Cowboys Offense was more productive when Bennett was playing than when he wasn't.

That is a bust in your eyes? Then I say you need to open them.

The Cowboys sure looked pretty productive against the Saints with Bennett out and Phillips in. In my opinion we would do just fine trading Bennett and going with Phillips. So far Bennett has been a bust. He CLEARLY regressed from his rookie year in 08. In 08 he caught 20 passes for 283 yards and 4 TD's. He averaged 14.2 a catch and his longest play was 37 yards. In 09 he caught 15 passes for 159 yards and NO TD's. He averaged 10.6 a catch and his longest play was 21 yards. He was down in every category from his rookie year and he was suppose to be a big part of our two TE offense. Even Jerry Jones called him out. :toast:

I know that Skippy. That is why I made the comment that using one round of those Drafts is pigeonholing an empty argument. It completely ignores previous decades under the same management and is reliant upon very faulty premises. You forget to mention that many of the players we drafted are still in the NFL with other teams. A convenient oversight that I think is intentional bitterness due to head impaction in hindquarters.

Just more tap dancing and diverting. :beatit: This discussion is about this "last" decade so stop trying to squirm around it. As for the other players we drafted that are still in the NFL with other teams they're with other teams because they didn't pan out for us. Most of them are just average players who are filling a role. You're making this WAY too easy for me. LOL You said I wasn't in your league you must have been referring to a powderpuff league? :laugh2:

Here's a little test for you. Ron Francis, Darryl Clack, Jesse Penn, Malcolm Moore, Victor Scott, Mike Walter, Jeff Rohrer, and Doug Donley.

Does that open your eyes? Or are you too baffled to have any idea what I am talking about? I will guess the latter. Those are the 2nd round picks of Hall of Famers Tex Schramm and Tom Landry in the 1980s.

Boy you're really tap dancing now MC. :mchammer: I have you so rattled you've gotten completely off the topic. LOL You're doing EXACTLY what I predicted TAP DANCING! The more you respond the more you keep proving me right. This is has become so easy you're starting to bore me and you think you got game?

Now before you try and spin control that I am dissing Landry and Schramm, just stop. I can show you great draft choices throughout the decade of the 80's just like I can the previous decade.

Keep dancing! LOL :dance3:

No, I totally reject your definition for the reason I stated above. I don't give two hoots in hell about one round of a Draft in a given decade. It doesn't prove one damned thing.

We're not talking about just ONE round in a given decade we're talking about 10 rounds this past decade. Stay on topic and stop dodging the questions.

Did you know that the 2nd round is the round that most teams gamble? Of course you didn't. That is the round where teams will roll the dice on a guy who if he had stayed one more year in school might have been a 1st round talent. Not every gamble pays off. In the decade you are decrying as abject failure we have had several players who are pretty decent football players. It is ignorant to say that means failure.

Who's your source that says most teams gamble in the second round? I've been watching the draft ever since it hit ESPN and most teams start gambling after the first two rounds when the talent starts thinning out. The draft becomes more of a crapshoot after the second round. There's alot of solid talent in the second round so teams usually stick with their draft board and pick the best player available. Most teams feel they can come up with a "starter" with their first two picks. Players that come out early that teams feel have first round talent usually go in the late first round. LOL If a player is considered to have first round talent then how much of a gamble can it be to take them in the second round? And you claim to know football? LOL

Agree.

You might want to change your calendar though. 2000 and 2001 were a long freaking time ago. Oh and so you know, the exclamation point at the end of all your sentences makes the whole point look juvenile.

You had no choice but to agree on that I cornered you. You're sitting here telling me how long ago 2000 and 2001 was but that didn't stop you from from bringing up our drafts from the Landry years. LOL So the exclamation points at the end of my sentences bother you? Too bad! : I have one guy pulling his hair out about all the emoticons I use and another one crying about all my exclamation points.

I have a problem with you? When did that happen? I must have been asleep.

Then that explains why I'm having such an easy time in this debate. Better wake up sleepy head!

I could be wrong but I think correcting you on who MB was is the first time I have ever conversed with you. Where I come from we call that an assist, not a problem with you.

Me thinks you need an assist on answering all the questions you've been tap dancing around. LOL

Oh yeah, he schooled you badly. He provided input on every teams success or failure in the 2nd round in this decade using your criteria and he proved your analysis wrong. It is not my fault if you can't stand being contradicted. He took you out behind the woodshed. That's just the truth. He actually did research and you didn't. Therein lies the difference.

Yeah riiiight! LOL He took off because he didn't want to end up behind the woodshed like I have you right now. : Adam Ant didn't provide anything but claim 19 teams had worse second round drafts the past 10 years than the Cowboys. He listed a bunch of teams and claimed almost each teams entire 10 years of second round drafts were busts. You're going to take his word for that? He gave his OPINION and you can bet he never did a thorough evaluation of EACH player and how much their lack of development set their teams back. In his eyes just because Gurode panned out and had a couple of more pro bowls than another player that makes the other 8 players we drafted who didn't pan out look better. LOL Carter, Goodrich and Rogers alone buries that decade of second round picks. Even with one good score the Cowboys grade an F for their second round selections the past decade.

Most here? Skippy, I don't see anyone agreeing with you or backing you up. I think you must be listening to voices in your head if you hear agreement.

Better read through the thread there were several who agreed that Bennett needs to mature. There's several here who don't like my negativity so they scream TROLL. Why should anyone back me and have several jumping on their back calling them a troll? LOL There's alot of lurkers out there who agree 100% with what I've said about Bennett he's IMMATURE but they don't want to get involved and have the homers jump on them. The two main arguments I've had in this thread have centered around questioning Martyb's lack of maturity and production on the field and how poorly the Cowboys have drafted this past decade in the second round. I'm still waiting for challengers to prove me wrong that Martyb isn't immature and that our second round draft picks this past decade haven't been bad. :tunes:

Skippy, you're the one making an issue of it. The poster himself told he meant Bennett. Everyone got what he said except you. The rest of us have merely tried to explain it to you. You thought he meant Barber. You were wrong. Go ahead and say it. "I was wrong." It is crystal clear to everyone else.

You're the one who keeps bringing it up. LOL He said MB so that's his problem. It's not that hard to spell out Marty. I'm arguing with several people so I skim over the posts of those who aren't addressing me. MB is Marion Barber to me so better get over it Mr two step and slide! Oooops another exclamation point. LOL

If you are honest and smart, you will realize that I not only exposed the theory presented as worthy of being in a horse pasture, but I also gave you two avenues to study that will also slam the door on your pathetic argument.

The only thing that's been exposed is your propensity to tap dance around questions when you've been cornered.

I don't dance unless I enjoy the music Skippy.

Well you must be lovin the music because I have you doing the jitterbug Travolta.

Please tell me you aren't capable of researching the effectiveness of the Offense when Bennett is on the field versus when he is not and you want to continue getting your butt handed to you by this old man. I warned you that I was out of your league. You should have listened. This ain't my first rodeo.

Had I known you were an old man I would have taken it easy on you gramps. LOL This explains why you're so slow. You must be saddle sore after this rodeo ride. Better dust your self off pardner this ain't my first rodeo either....YEEEEE HAWWW! LOL :whip:

 

[KJJ]

Man that was a LONG post....WHEW! At least one thing I learned in high school came in handy...typing! LOL

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

His post is like a Christmas tree decorated with emoticons.

 

[KJJ]

I would have said "raped", LOL...

If KJJ had any credibility before this thread, he surely doesn't any more... then again, nobody who tries to argue with Adam on the facts survives with his credibility intact...

My credibility is just fine because there hasn't been one person prove that MartyB isn't immature or that our second round drafts the past 10 years haven't been some of the worst. If you consider someone who comes here claiming 19 teams had worst second round drafts than the Cowboys and starts saying this teams drafts were a BUST and that teams drafts were a BUST and that makes them credible you'll believe anything. LOL

 

[KJJ]

ROTFLMAO!!!!

You'll find that Hos almost never disagrees with people who are right... he's kind of gifted that way...

I've been so right I have him tap dancing around like he has ants in his pants. LOL He'll never agree with me because I'm a smart *** LOL I know the score here trust me!

Then your capacity for logical reasoning must be called into question... or didn't it occur to you that Bennett's initials were "MB"??

Barbers initials are "MB" and he has seniority over Marty. LOL

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, troll...

The only TROLLS are you and the rest who just entered the thread to attack me because you don't agree MartyB is Immature. Appears to me some of you can relate to his ways. The dude was nothing but a wasted second round pick. He's LAZY! Even Jerry Jones called him out which is something Jerry never does.

 

[KJJ]

You're getting plunged in this thread, by the way.

 

[KJJ]

Well, let's see here-- this thread is about Martellus Bennett... since you started this thread, you ought to know that...

The topic changed course and other players started coming up you might want to go back and follow the thread if you can keep up.

Why you wanna be like that?? I mean, most of us have already figured out that you're kind of a jerk, there's no reason to belabor the obvious...

I said Bennett was an immature idiot because he posted a Youtube video cursing fans out who don't like his rap music and that makes me a jerk? LOL That's what started all the attacks. Why don't you knock off the attacks and give your opinions on Bennett and his productivity the past 2 seasons.

I'll probably get an infraction for that last sentence, I'll just console myself with the knowledge that I'm saying what a lot of posters in here would like to say to you...

I wouldn't worry about getting an infraction it appears I'm open game for attacks. It's looking like this is not a level playing field here.

 

[Hostile]

LOL

you keep tap dancing
:toast:

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Just more tap dancing and diverting.
:beatit:
stop trying to squirm around it.



LOL

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Boy you're really tap dancing now MC.
:mchammer:

LOL

You're doing EXACTLY what I predicted TAP DANCING!





Keep dancing!

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Stay on topic and stop dodging the questions.

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you've been tap dancing around.

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:tunes:


LOL

Mr two step and slide!

LOL

to tap dance around questions

Well you must be lovin the music because I have you doing the jitterbug Travolta.






:whip:

This is a post you want people to read and take you seriously? Do you honestly think that just because you repeat your opinions over and over it means you are right?

Hells bells Skippy, it isn't just me who is out of your league. The entire forum is.

Prior to yesterday I would have had no earthly idea who you were. I doubt I will ever forget again. In the immortal words of Ron White, "you can't fix stupid." And I am not going to try anymore.

The funniest thing is a line I didn't include in the echoing drone of the repetitive screed above...

"Unless you've been a GM you don't know anymore than me."

This is one of the funniest things I have ever read on this forum. The problem is the humor is unintentional by you. You were trying to be serious. That is sad.

Earlier in the thread you called Jerry Jones a billionaire hillbilly. That line above is your confession that the billionaire hillbilly knows more about football than you do, because he has been a GM for 20 years now. He's the billionaire hillbilly leading the staff making the Draft picks you think are evidence of some kind of deficiency. He knows more than you by your own admission. It's your definition of how someone can know more than someone else Skippy.

I can't stop laughing at that line. Skippy, I have forgotten more about football than you will ever know, and I haven't forgotten much. There are a couple of posters on this forum who know more than I do. There are many who know enough so that I read their comments very carefully and give weight to their opinions. You have no prayer of ever being in that group of posters. Not after this rambling, bumbling, boring diatribe of crap.

15 LOLs and 20 emoticons wrapped around 11 different comments about dodging and dancing. You really think you had something to say? You couldn't find something to say with a map, GPS, guide dog, and sherpa. Like I said, I will never forget you now. That isn't a compliment to you. That's the sad thing about it.

 

[Hostile]

Man that was a LONG post....WHEW! At least one thing I learned in high school came in handy...typing! LOL

You're out of High School? I admit, I am shocked to learn that. Never would have guessed it.

 

[Bleu Star]

15 LOLs and 20 emoticons wrapped around 11 different comments about dodging and dancing. You really think you had something to say. You couldn't find something to say with a map, GPS, guide dog, and sherpa. Like I said, I will never forget you now. That isn't a compliment to you. That's the sad thing about it.

& I thought I was bad... :laugh2:

 

[jobberone]

& I thought I was bad... :laugh2:

Well........

 

[Bleu Star]

Well........

Smooches

 

[KJJ]

Earlier in the thread you called Jerry Jones a billionaire hillbilly. That line above is your confession that the billionaire hillbilly knows more about football than you do, because he has been a GM for 20 years now. He's the billionaire hillbilly leading the staff making the Draft picks you think are evidence of some kind of deficiency. He knows more than you by your own admission. It's your definition of how someone can know more than someone else Skippy.

Sorry gramps but I never called Jerry a "billionaire hillbilly" and you're trying to correct me on things? LOL Go read through this thread and you'll see I never said that. You obviously confused me with someone else but you have an excuse you're old. All you've done throughout this entire discussion is tap dance around my questions because if you answer them correctly and intelligently you would have to agree with me which would prove my entire argument. You answered ONE question and you AGREED with me and tap danced around my other questions. You started bringing up the Landry/Shramm years in an attempt to divert and work your way out of a corner. You've done nothing but tap dance and post insults which is a clear sign you're losing an argument. I'm a very outspoken tell it like it is fan posting on a site LOADED with rose colored glass wearing homers so naturally they don't want to hear anything negative about the team or specific players. They just want to hear positive comments by the bias Cowboy fans who come here so they can stay positive about the team. This entire argument has centered around my claim that MartyB's lacks maturity off the field and his lack of production on the field. It's also centered on my claim that the Cowboys have had some of the worst second round picks of the last decade. If anyone wants to continue arguing with me stick with those topics because I'm going to ignore all the insults by the biased Cowboy fans who are blinded their homerism and are bothered by the truth. Had everyone seen MartyB's video blog I posted to start this thread this discussion would have never gotten out of hand. Marty promptly pulled the video because he used extremely poor judgment posting it due to his lack of maturity. Here's the questions again and tap dance all you want Fred Astaire.

Do you consider MartyB immature YES or NO? Do you feel his production the past 2 seasons justifies his second round draft status? Are you satisfied with his production and his knowledge of his assignments? He clearly regressed from his rookie season here's his numbers again from 08 and 09. In 08 he caught 20 passes for 283 yards and 4 TD's. He averaged 14.2 a catch and his longest play was 37 yards. In 09 he caught 15 passes for 159 yards and NO TD's. Here's the other question you've been doing the Texas two step around give me an overall grade of the Cowboys second round picks from 2000-2009. My opinion it was a poor overall crop and I grade it an F. Do you AGREE or DISAGREE? Analyze each player and let's debate it or do you want to continue making yourself look bad by tap dancing and firing insults? I'm open to debate MartyB or our past decade of second round picks and will ignore any rude comments by the bias fans who think the team and players are perfect and are satisfied with what the Cowboys accomplished this season. Sorry but my standards for the team and the players are much higher then some here especially the guy who proudly displays the sig that only 4 teams were better than us. That was 4 teams too many!

 

[Draegerman]

I check his twitter alot. He seems to be working out everyday. Not sure what else you expect him to do outside of that.

[sigh]...you know that you're getting older when someone claims to have "checked your twitter" use to be an entirely different meaning.

 

[Hostile]

Sorry gramps but I never called Jerry a "billionaire hillbilly" and you're trying to correct me on things? LOL Go read through this thread and you'll see I never said that. You obviously confused me with someone else but you have an excuse you're old.

You are correct. My apologies for that. It was someone else. You called him an idiot. That is the same mentality and I associated the two together and that was wrong.

All you've done throughout this entire discussion is tap dance around my questions because if you answer them correctly and intelligently you would have to agree with me which would prove my entire argument. You answered ONE question and you AGREED with me and tap danced around my other questions. You started bringing up the Landry/Shramm years in an attempt to divert and work your way out of a corner.

No, that isn't what I have done and that wasn't the purpose of using the example of Landry and Schramm. It was to show you how stupid that stance is. It is beyond dumb. If you can't figure that out, that is not my fault.

You've done nothing but tap dance and post insults which is a clear sign you're losing an argument. I'm a very outspoken tell it like it is fan posting on a site LOADED with rose colored glass wearing homers so naturally they don't want to hear anything negative about the team or specific players. They just want to hear positive comments by the bias Cowboy fans who come here so they can stay positive about the team.

If you don't like the site I encourage you to leave. There will be no loss felt here I assure you.

This entire argument has centered around my claim that MartyB's lacks maturity off the field and his lack of production on the field. It's also centered on my claim that the Cowboys have had some of the worst second round picks of the last decade.

Boring.

If anyone wants to continue arguing with me stick with those topics because I'm going to ignore all the insults by the biased Cowboy fans who are blinded their homerism and are bothered by the truth. Had everyone seen MartyB's video blog I posted to start this thread this discussion would have never gotten out of hand. Marty promptly pulled the video because he used extremely poor judgment posting it due to his lack of maturity. Here's the questions again and tap dance all you want Fred Astaire.

I saw it. My reaction is big damned deal.

Do you consider MartyB immature YES or NO?

I have already answered this, so you can stop asking.

Do you feel his production the past 2 seasons justifies his second round draft status? Are you satisfied with his production and his knowledge of his assignments? He clearly regressed from his rookie season here's his numbers again from 08 and 09. In 08 he caught 20 passes for 283 yards and 4 TD's. He averaged 14.2 a catch and his longest play was 37 yards. In 09 he caught 15 passes for 159 yards and NO TD's.

I don't care about individual production as much as I do team contribution. I have already explained this to you.

Here's the other question you've been doing the Texas two step around give me an overall grade of the Cowboys second round picks from 2000-2009. My opinion it was a poor overall crop and I grade it an F. Do you AGREE or DISAGREE?

I have already answered this, so you can stop asking.

Analyze each player and let's debate it or do you want to continue making yourself look bad by tap dancing and firing insults? I'm open to debate MartyB or our past decade of second round picks and will ignore any rude comments by the bias fans who think the team and players are perfect and are satisfied with what the Cowboys accomplished this season.

Here's the thing Skippy. You're the one who started firing insults at others in this thread. Don't piss and moan when they get fired back. You want respect? Earn it.

Sorry but my standards for the team and the players are much higher then some here especially the guy who proudly displays the sig that only 4 teams were better than us. That was 4 teams too many!

Boring.

 

[Jon88]

[youtube]5lP8fHN53t0[/youtube]

At least he's funny.

 

[khiladi]

[youtube]5lP8fHN53t0[/youtube]

At least he's funny.

He needs to retire a Cowboy for that...

 

[Jon88]

He needs to retire a Cowboy for that...

LOL at the :55 mark.

:laugh2:

 

[Monster Heel]

I would've taken a first for Marty B if it was on the table, but I still think he has enormous potential. If he can translate his training camp Pro Bowl selection onto the field, we'll be set. Try to remember that we heard the same things about Anthony Spencer not all that long ago and while we had to wait to see him apply it in actual games, he eventually did. Now I think I speak for most of us when I say Spencer is one of the players that intrigues the most going into the 2010 season. Who's to say Marty B can't be 2010's Anthony Spencer or Mike Jenkins for that matter?

 

[Hostile]

I would've taken a first for Marty B if it was on the table, but I still think he has enormous potential. If he can translate his training camp Pro Bowl selection onto the field, we'll be set. Try to remember that we heard the same things about Anthony Spencer not all that long ago and while we had to wait to see him apply it in actual games, he eventually did. Now I think I speak for most of us when I say Spencer is one of the players that intrigues the most going into the 2010 season. Who's to say Marty B can't be 2010's Anthony Spencer or Mike Jenkins for that matter?

Faint.