For all those who still believe in Martyb

[Bob Sacamano]

Faint.

I gave him a stern talking to.

 

[iceberg]

Sorry gramps but I never called Jerry a "billionaire hillbilly" and you're trying to correct me on things? LOL Go read through this thread and you'll see I never said that. You obviously confused me with someone else but you have an excuse you're old. All you've done throughout this entire discussion is tap dance around my questions because if you answer them correctly and intelligently you would have to agree with me which would prove my entire argument. You answered ONE question and you AGREED with me and tap danced around my other questions. You started bringing up the Landry/Shramm years in an attempt to divert and work your way out of a corner. You've done nothing but tap dance and post insults which is a clear sign you're losing an argument. I'm a very outspoken tell it like it is fan posting on a site LOADED with rose colored glass wearing homers so naturally they don't want to hear anything negative about the team or specific players. They just want to hear positive comments by the bias Cowboy fans who come here so they can stay positive about the team. This entire argument has centered around my claim that MartyB's lacks maturity off the field and his lack of production on the field. It's also centered on my claim that the Cowboys have had some of the worst second round picks of the last decade. If anyone wants to continue arguing with me stick with those topics because I'm going to ignore all the insults by the biased Cowboy fans who are blinded their homerism and are bothered by the truth. Had everyone seen MartyB's video blog I posted to start this thread this discussion would have never gotten out of hand. Marty promptly pulled the video because he used extremely poor judgment posting it due to his lack of maturity. Here's the questions again and tap dance all you want Fred Astaire.

Do you consider MartyB immature YES or NO? Do you feel his production the past 2 seasons justifies his second round draft status? Are you satisfied with his production and his knowledge of his assignments? He clearly regressed from his rookie season here's his numbers again from 08 and 09. In 08 he caught 20 passes for 283 yards and 4 TD's. He averaged 14.2 a catch and his longest play was 37 yards. In 09 he caught 15 passes for 159 yards and NO TD's. Here's the other question you've been doing the Texas two step around give me an overall grade of the Cowboys second round picks from 2000-2009. My opinion it was a poor overall crop and I grade it an F. Do you AGREE or DISAGREE? Analyze each player and let's debate it or do you want to continue making yourself look bad by tap dancing and firing insults? I'm open to debate MartyB or our past decade of second round picks and will ignore any rude comments by the bias fans who think the team and players are perfect and are satisfied with what the Cowboys accomplished this season. Sorry but my standards for the team and the players are much higher then some here especially the guy who proudly displays the sig that only 4 teams were better than us. That was 4 teams too many!

for someone ragging on bennetts immaturity, you sure do show off a lot of your own.

 

[KJJ]

You are correct. My apologies for that. It was someone else. You called him an idiot. That is the same mentality and I associated the two together and that was wrong.

Apology accepted.

No, that isn't what I have done and that wasn't the purpose of using the example of Landry and Schramm. It was to show you how stupid that stance is. It is beyond dumb. If you can't figure that out, that is not my fault.

You clearly danced around my question about our second round drafts the past decade by diverting into another direction. You claimed my stance is stupid and beyond dumb all because you don't want to answer the question which if answered intelligently and correctly will prove me right. Your continuous dancing and refusal to answer the question proves my case.

If you don't like the site I encourage you to leave. There will be no loss felt here I assure you.

You've been trying to encourage me to leave. LOL I'm sure there would be no loss felt on your part at least I would be one less person for you to lose an argument to Mr rodeo king. :

I have already answered this, so you can stop asking.

Sorry but you never answered if you thought Martyb was immature or not it was just one of the many questions I keep asking and you keep side stepping around like a dancing bear. Here was your tap dance Ben Vereen.

I don't care about your definition of maturity. I don't care whether Martellus Bennett meets your standards of maturity or not. I am no fan of rap music, but he enjoys it. So what? I care about how his being on the football field affects the team. You may call that "Football Maturity" if you wish. If you can figure out how to look up the statistics one thing is going to be crystal clear if your eyes are open. The Dallas Cowboys Offense was more productive when Bennett was playing than when he wasn't.

I don't care about individual production as much as I do team contribution. I have already explained this to you.

Individual production is part of team contribution. If a player isn't producing up to the expectations that were expected according to their draft status they won't be seeing a second contract. Only ONE second round pick the Cowboys drafted the past decade(Gurode)was offered a second contract. If Marty isn't dealt during the offseason he better know his assignments next season and produce alot more than he has his first 2 seasons or his days in Dallas will be numbered. Being called out by Jerry is a good indication of that.

I have already answered this, so you can stop asking.

AGAIN you never gave an overall grade on our second round picks from 2000-2009. I said that second round draft class was poor and asked if you agreed or disagreed and ONCE AGAIN you danced around the questions and refused to answer. Your dancing and refusing to answer continues to make my case.

Here's the thing Skippy. You're the one who started firing insults at others in this thread. Don't piss and moan when they get fired back. You want respect? Earn it.

I started this thread by insulting MartyB and rightfully so for a video he posted and later pulled. Any insult I fired later was in retaliation to the insults I was receiving for giving an honest opinion about a talented but lazy player who appears more interested in being a rapper than a football player. My insults were very minor compared to the ones I've been receiving. You're an administrator and should be held to a higher standard than the rest of the members here. To go around referring to someone as "Skippy" and firing insults just because you're losing an argument makes you look bad. I have to watch what I say or they'll be consequences for me. If people want to be treated with respect then they need to treat me with respect. We all have a opinions and I'm going to share mine honestly. I never said one unkind thing to any member here until the insults started coming my way. If a few members here can't take brutally honest opinions about the team or some of the players then I suggest they stay out of my threads. If there's an ignore feature then they can ignore so everything I say doesn't cause a mass suicide. Go back and follow this thread from the beginning and look at the abuse I've taken for giving MY opinion that I know alot of others share but don't want to comment in fear of taking abuse. If someone insults me I'll insult them it's that simple but I certainly don't go as far as others have because I know where that will get me. The only way you get respect on this board is to be a cheerleader. As long as you always see the glass as half full and keep your comments about the team rosy and uplifting you'll get along just fine here.

 

[KJJ]

for someone ragging on bennetts immaturity, you sure do show off a lot of your own.

All you do is follow me around posting insults and never want to debate the issues what does that say about your maturity?

 

[iceberg]

All you do is follow me around posting insults and never want to debate the issues what does that say about your maturity?

you've yet to show the ability to debate. when you get cornered you scream OPINION!!! then dismiss everyone elses to protect your own.

when you find some common sense, i'll give it a shot. till then, i see no point.

 

[Hostile]

You clearly danced around my question about our second round drafts the past decade by diverting into another direction.

No, that is not what I did. I posted that to show you that one round of the Drafts in any decade is foolish.

If you honestly believe the 2nd round of the decade of the 2000's is an indicator of Draft ability that is really sad. One round of the Draft in any decade for any team is a silly place upon which to base an opinion.

You claimed my stance is stupid and beyond dumb all because you don't want to answer the question which if answered intelligently and correctly will prove me right. Your continuous dancing and refusal to answer the question proves my case.

I answered the question. You don't like the answer so you ignore it.

You've been trying to encourage me to leave. LOL I'm sure there would be no loss felt on your part at least I would be one less person for you to lose an argument to Mr rodeo king. :

I encouraged you one time after you have pointed disapproving fingers at the entire forum. Judas Priest, if we're that bad, leave. How hard is that?

I get sick and ****ing tired of you piss ants who whine about this entire forum. Pack your bags and spare us your opinions of our unworthiness as fans. I could give a flying damn when I see that nonsense.

Sorry but you never answered if you thought Martyb was immature or not it was just one of the many questions I keep asking and you keep side stepping around like a dancing bear. Here was your tap dance Ben Vereen.

Yes, I did. In post #143 before you couldn't figure out who another poster was talking about when he posted MB I gave a pretty thorough opinion of the hysteria about maturity.

In post #174, responding directly to your question about Bennett's maturity. I answered. Learn to read.

Individual production is part of team contribution. If a player isn't producing up to the expectations that were expected according to their draft status they won't be seeing a second contract. Only ONE second round pick the Cowboys drafted the past decade(Gurode)was offered a second contract. If Marty isn't dealt during the offseason he better know his assignments next season and produce alot more than he has his first 2 seasons or his days in Dallas will be numbered. Being called out by Jerry is a good indication of that.

Whatever you say guru of imaginary dancing.

AGAIN you never gave an overall grade on our second round picks from 2000-2009. I said that second round draft class was poor and asked if you agreed or disagreed and ONCE AGAIN you danced around the questions and refused to answer. Your dancing and refusing to answer continues to make my case.

I have repeatedly told you one round of a decade's worth of drafts is a silly premise. I am now telling you again. Either you get it or you don't. The bottom line is there were 10 players drafted in that round in the previous decade and 6 of them are still in the NFL 2 are not because their careers were cut short by injuries. That means we missed on 2 of them as far as their football ability. If you are daft enough to think 31 other NFL teams are more accurate than that, then you simply do not know what you are talking about. It is really just that simple.

I started this thread by insulting MartyB and rightfully so for a video he posted and later pulled. Any insult I fired later was in retaliation to the insults I was receiving for giving an honest opinion about a talented but lazy player who appears more interested in being a rapper than a football player. My insults were very minor compared to the ones I've been receiving.

Fire insults, and expect none back. Good theory. Oh brother.

You're an administrator and should be held to a higher standard than the rest of the members here. To go around referring to someone as "Skippy" and firing insults just because you're losing an argument makes you look bad.

I am held to the exact same standards as anyone else. I haven't lost an argument to you. That's quite an imagination. You still believe Adam didn't shoot your stupid theory full of holes. Post #132 is him making your opinion look like Swiss cheese.

I have to watch what I say or they'll be consequences for me. If people want to be treated with respect then they need to treat me with respect.

My turn.

LMAO

We all have a opinions and I'm going to share mine honestly. I never said one unkind thing to any member here until the insults started coming my way. If a few members here can't take brutally honest opinions about the team or some of the players then I suggest they stay out of my threads.

Oh shut the hell up. Self important crap like this is Junior High "I'm going to take my ball and go home." Anyone who says something stupid is going to get harpooned on this forum and you said plenty that was stupid.

If there's an ignore feature then they can ignore so everything I say doesn't cause a mass suicide. Go back and follow this thread from the beginning and look at the abuse I've taken for giving MY opinion that I know alot of others share but don't want to comment in fear of taking abuse. If someone insults me I'll insult them it's that simple but I certainly don't go as far as others have because I know where that will get me.

Poor, poor pitiful you. I noticed that you didn't report one single "insult" you have received. Instead you joined right in. So why cry about it later? Boo freaking hoo.

The only way you get respect on this board is to be a cheerleader. As long as you always see the glass as half full and keep your comments about the team rosy and uplifting you'll get along just fine here.

Yeah, that's a complete load of crap. bbgun isn't a cheerleader. He is highly respected by many posters here. Alexander isn't. Very respected. Juke99 isn't, respected. Chief isn't. May be one of the most respected members here. On top of that Om, Henry, and several other Commanders fans are hardly Cowboys cheerleaders and people respect them a lot. Phoenix Talon is an Eagles fan and he is respected. Tom, a Giants fan and respected. I could go on until this is a novella.

Get down off your cross, we need the firewood.

 

[KJJ]

you've yet to show the ability to debate. when you get cornered you scream OPINION!!! then dismiss everyone elses to protect your own.

when you find some common sense, i'll give it a shot. till then, i see no point.

That's just another delusional comment from a hater. You don't see any point in debating me because you know you'll end up like Hostile having to divert and tap dance your way through it. LOL You find it much easier following me around firing insults then tackling the issues and ending up cornered.

you've yet to show the ability to debate. when you get cornered you scream OPINION!!! then dismiss everyone elses to protect your own.for someone ragging on bennetts immaturity, you sure do show off a lot of your own.

I don't need to show any maturity here I'm not a member of the Dallas Cowboys. I'm an anonymous poster just like most everyone here. No one knows who I am so I can speak freely. When Martyb tweets on Twitter and broadcasts his streaming live feeds and posts his YouTube video's he represents the Dallas Cowboys. He's not an anonymous poster who can say and do as they please like everyone else. He has a responsibility to his organization and to the NFL to uphold himself to a higher standard then a regular joe blow who works at Walmart. What Marty says and does online can affect alot of people including his team. Being an athlete on a high profile NFL team makes him a role model and his actions can influence kids. I have no problem with some of his video's he posts they're all in fun but I had a problem with the one he posted the other day and I'm sure alot of other people did as well that's why he pulled it. If anyone wants to argue Marty isn't immature then state your case and let's debate it. The challenge is there for anyone who wants to take it.

 

[Bleu Star]

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At least he's funny.

:laugh2: Gotta love his sense of humor.

 

[KJJ]

No, that is not what I did. I posted that to show you that one round of the Drafts in any decade is foolish.

If you honestly believe the 2nd round of the decade of the 2000's is an indicator of Draft ability that is really sad. One round of the Draft in any decade for any team is a silly place upon which to base an opinion.

You clearly diverted to avoid answering the question. Anyone who's not bias can see it. As for our second round picks the past decade no one ever said it was an indicator of our overall drafting ability. I mentioned the "second round" because our picks in that round have been dreadful and Martyb was a second round pick who has yet to live up to his draft status. Our bad second round drafts in the early 2000's contributed to those lean years we had. Like I keep mentioning 2 of those picks were our TOP picks those years.

I get sick and ****ing tired of you piss ants who whine about this entire forum. Pack your bags and spare us your opinions of our unworthiness as fans. I could give a flying damn when I see that nonsense.

Yes, I did. In post #143 before you couldn't figure out who another poster was talking about when he posted MB I gave a pretty thorough opinion of the hysteria about maturity.

You did not. LOL I just checked post #143 and first of all you never addressed that post to me. You said Marty was intelligent but never directly said whether you thought he was immature or not. If anything what you said could be taken that you're saying Marty isn't immature. You refuse to spit it out. Just because a person is intelligent doesn't mean they're not immature. Here's your comments from post #143. It's just another example of how you dance around questions to avoid giving an answer.

I find Martellus Bennett to be a bright kid with incredible potential and hopefully a bright future. Much of that is up to him. I objected to his video that had him wearing a Cowboys helmet as he rapped controversial things. But everything else I have seen from the kid is harmless fun. He's hilarious.

Whether people ever grasp it or not he is also a vital cog in the engine that is our Offense. Too many don't grasp the nuances of the game like blocking. Way too many. Far too many people write off players early in their careers because they are not immediately all world. Premature evaluation. I am never more grateful that some people aren't employed by the team than I am in some of these threads.

In post #174, responding directly to your question about Bennett's maturity. I answered. Learn to read.

AGAIN you never answered the question you just said learn to read. LOL Just more of your dancing. :dance2: As for learning to read speak for yourself. You're the one who claimed I said earlier in the thread that Jerry was a "billionaire hillbilly" which was totally false. LOL

I have repeatedly told you one round of a decade's worth of drafts is a silly premise. I am now telling you again. Either you get it or you don't. The bottom line is there were 10 players drafted in that round in the previous decade and 6 of them are still in the NFL 2 are not because their careers were cut short by injuries. That means we missed on 2 of them as far as their football ability. If you are daft enough to think 31 other NFL teams are more accurate than that, then you simply do not know what you are talking about. It is really just that simple.

Yes you've repeatedly told me that so you could divert and repeatedly dance around the question....LMAO! It's not a silly premise when your team has only chosen ONE solid player who was extended. Six of those players we drafted may still be in the league but they're average players playing on other teams because they didn't pan out for us. We missed on all of them but ONE. If they were solid players they would have been resigned. Two of them Goodrich and Carter set the team way back because they were our top choices in 2000 and 01. We desperately needed a corner and all Goodrich produced in 3 seasons was 8 tackles. We needed a QB to replace Aikman and Jerry reached for QC and he set the team back by at least 3 years.

Fire insults, and expect none back. Good theory. Oh brother.

I didn't start insulting any of the members here they started insulting me and I retaliated. I never started insulting you, you started insulting me. LOL

I am held to the exact same standards as anyone else. I haven't lost an argument to you. That's quite an imagination. You still believe Adam didn't shoot your stupid theory full of holes. Post #132 is him making your opinion look like Swiss cheese.

You should be held at a higher standard you're an administrator. You shouldn't lower yourself to the standards of some of the members by calling someone a piss ant. That's not very administrative. LOL In your deluded mind you don't lose any arguments. I run into tap dancers like you all the time who claim victory no matter how much bobbing and weaving they do to avoid giving direct answers. As for Adam Ant he listed 19 teams and claimed 12 of them drafted one solid player in the second round from 2000-2009 which is the same number of solid players Dallas drafted in the second round from 2000-2009. He claims 7 teams second rounders from 2000-2009 were all busts. That was HIS opinion and I'm sure you never bothered to look that up you just took his word based of HIS opinion and the fact you're trying back him against me. So if 12 teams drafted ONE solid player in the second round between 2000-2009 then they would be in the same boat as the Cowboys which means ACCORDING to GM Adam only 7 teams would have been worse than the Cowboys. I said I would wager the Cowboys would be in the top 5 worst drafting teams in the second round from 2000-2009 without even looking because of how poorly the Cowboys have drafted in the second round. I'm certainly not going to take the opinion of a fan on this board seriously when it comes to 10 years of 32 teams drafting in the second round. No two people would agree on his finding because it's all based on personal opinion. The one opinion that would be shared by many is that the Cowboys have drafted terrible in the second round this past decade. That can't be argued.

Oh shut the hell up.

Sounds like you need another dosage of Flomax. LOL Gettin a little cranky in your old age. :bang2:

Get down off your cross, we need the firewood.

You need to get off your high horse pardner and pull out all those splinters from your behind from the rough ride you just got taken on and use those for your firewood. LOL Now you can lock the thread! :