For the Ware vs Merriman debate

[goshan]

Ravi
Ware had his big game against a horrible left tackle last year.
Someone remind me who it was.
I don't care if it was Carolina-the guy was terrible.
Quit being such a homer.

 

[Vintage]

You've got to love this board....

We don't know how Merriman would perform in our system or how Ware would perform in theirs.

What we do know, is Merriman does a great job in their system.

Ware does well in ours too.

That's it.

Comparing them is getting old. Merriman is a great player. Discrediting him is very amusing. Every time I read someone trying to explain why Merriman's sack total is inflated bec. he got blocked by a RB, I laugh. As if somehow, it takes away from what he did.

The end result is a sack. It doesn't matter how it came about. He made the plays he should have.

Good players are supposed to.

 

[Vintage]

Ravi
Ware had his big game against a horrible left tackle last year.
Someone remind me who it was.
I don't care if it was Carolina-the guy was terrible.
Quit being such a homer.

Travelle Wharton

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

rumor has ti we were about to select him when the Pats did. then we called them up and congratulated them on finding the next great QB.

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[superpunk]

Ahhh a cry baby Wah Wah pedal.

Check out my newest toy...

sweet sassy mollassey! That's purrrrty. Do I see the tribute to Dimebag Darrell up top?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

sweet sassy mollassey! That's purrrrty. Do I see the tribute to Dimebag Darrell up top?

Nah that is the dean logo.
Although it is labled a Dime Razorback.

The razorback with the tribute pic on it is the rust razorback but that bad boy is too much for me.

 

[bayarealightning]

You agree with him, then. Bad move, considering his rep.

Does your rpesence on the board and this thread, feeling the necessity to defend Merriman vs. Ware, indicate that you may think Ware is the better player, and you're afraid to accept it?

Because that's the ridiculous logic you're agreeing with.

No, I actually find it quite ammusing for the most part. I am on record of saying that they are both very good players and I am happy that we have Merriman. However, some people are consumed with identifying who is the better player. That's o.k. What I find funny is that they both have played 1 year and two games. It is a tad early, also, the fact that there is a comparison every week. I pretty much view most teams message boards. There will alway be a connection between the two teams because of the 2005 draft. Just like there is a connection between the Giants and Chargers because of the 2004 draft and trade.

I post here because most of the posters are well informed and I can get information in here that I cannot get on a consistant basis on any other board - Thanks Woody's Girl! Since I will never act like I know more about the 'Boys than there own fans, I will join in any general football discussion that interest me, or where the Chargers are mentioned (eithier by clarifying points that may not be known or if someone is wrong about a player or the organization, I will set them straight). I try to be a gratious visitor to your house so I will not talk smack unless smack is given to me.

P.S. Where are the Ware/Spears and Merriman/Castillo discussions. They were all drafted in 2005 and are OLB/DEs?

 

[mmohican29]

I would like to remind people that Jason Ferguson is our starting NT not Luis Castillo who was drafted to also put pressure on the QB. Our NT is a true 3-4 NT which means 80% of pass rushing duties fall to the OLB's and DE's. Merriman gets alot of clean up sacks while Ware must be 1 on 1 with a RT to get to the QB. Both are amazing can we just move on from this please?

 

[marchetta]

what everrrrrr...quality of opponents shouldnt matter for either of these guys. i think their numbers come down to how they are used.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Nothing more to see hear folks, now move on.

 

[superpunk]

Nah that is the dean logo.
Although it is labled a Dime Razorback.

The razorback with the tribute pic on it is the rust razorback but that bad boy is too much for me.

Still. Verruh nice. I'm looking at Paul's right now, trying to decide whether to go for that, or a motorcycle. With gas prices, the bike prolly wins out. I love to play, but haven't started really collecting guitars yet. All I have is a stock Fender Strat and an Ovation. I'd like to get a softer sounding acoustic and some more electrics.

 

[superpunk]

No, I actually find it quite ammusing for the most part. I am on record of saying that they are both very good players and I am happy that we have Merriman. However, some people are consumed with identifying who is the better player. That's o.k. What I find funny is that they both have played 1 year and two games. It is a tad early, also, the fact that there is a comparison every week. I pretty much view most teams message boards. There will alway be a connection between the two teams because of the 2005 draft. Just like there is a connection between the Giants and Chargers because of the 2004 draft and trade.

I post here because most of the posters are well informed and I can get information in here that I cannot get on a consistant basis on any other board - Thanks Woody's Girl! Since I will never act like I know more about the 'Boys than there own fans, I will join in any general football discussion that interest me, or where the Chargers are mentioned (eithier by clarifying points that may not be known or if someone is wrong about a player or the organization, I will set them straight). I try to be a gratious visitor to your house so I will not talk smack unless smack is given to me.

P.S. Where are the Ware/Spears and Merriman/Castillo discussions. They were all drafted in 2005 and are OLB/DEs?

I don't really need to hear your stance on the issue.

However, you congratulated Qwickdraw for his post, said you couldn't have said it better. If you agree with that bizarro logic, fine. Just recognize that by agreeing with it, you fall into his categorization yourself, as you consistently feel the need to get involved in these discussions.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Ware could be much more dominate if he played in a defensive scheme that allowed him to free lance and rush the passer like Merriman does......

I will stick with Ware!

 

[YosemiteSam]

The very fact that so many here feel the need to constantly debate this topic is proof that you think Merriman may just be the better player and you're afraid to accept it.

I bet the SD boards don't have "here's why Merriman is better than Ware" threads.

Lets debate "Better". This is an open topic within itself. Is better a guy who can make 2-3 game changing plays a game or is a better player someone who just makes the plays he should make all game long?

At the end of the day, I think that will be the difference between the two players. Now, ask yourself this. Do you want a game breaking player that produces big time plays in big time situtations or do you want a more consistant type player?

Like I've always said. I would be happy with either one of them. Ware is a Cowboy so I'm rooting for Ware.

 

[YosemiteSam]

take him WHERE??? it's not a freaking option to take him ANYWHERE and these debates are just stupid cause it's NOT gonna change a thing.

wah - i didn't get my player. wah - i will whine about it for the rest of my life - wah my player did better than the cowboys player wah.

wah.

Umm, did you actually make a point or just post to see yourself post? Who didn't get "their" player? Anything that happens on this board changes nothing about the games played or the players that play them. So, why are you here if anything you do here isn't going to change a thing? Thats right! Because we are fans and we like to discuss anything Cowboys. Anything for me includes Ware vs Merriman.

Thanks.

 

[YosemiteSam]

this the same one who says they'll take merriman but now ware is more of a complete player?

i need a dizzy smiley that does nothing but spin around.

Let me quote myself:

The Chargers have Ravens, Steelers, and 49ers up and the Cowboys have Titans, Eagles, and Texans up. My question is, who has better stats at the end of this 3 game stint.

I'm a huge Ware fan, but until he can prove to me he is more of an impact player in his own style of defense. I have to take Merriman.

So, basically I said. Who will have better stats after the next three games. I said I think Merriman will, but I still happen to think Ware is a more complete player.

Ummm... Nope, I don't see any contradiction within my statement.

 

[YosemiteSam]

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The other was a black Fender Strat.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have my Jackson Dinky at a friends house.

He is doing a custom marble/lava paint job on it and upgrading the pickups to the emg 81/85 set.

I should get it later this week.

 

[iceberg]

Umm, did you actually make a point or just post to see yourself post? Who didn't get "their" player? Anything that happens on this board changes nothing about the games played or the players that play them. So, why are you here if anything you do here isn't going to change a thing? Thats right! Because we are fans and we like to discuss anything Cowboys. Anything for me includes Ware vs Merriman.

Thanks.

my *point* is simply that these debates are stupid. we got ware, they got merriman, but let the floodgates of hell go - we must debate the two players it seems after every freaking game.

like i said, we need a "dead horse" forum and anything that gets debated more than 10x goes there so the rest of us can move on in life and let it be.

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

Unless the NFL is going to let us go back & draft all over again, all of this is moot. All I know is that we have two VERY good players in Marcus Spears & DeMarcus Ware. Both are better than last year, and will continue to improve because they love the game. #s 96 & 94 are Dallas Cowboys, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Our total defense is ranked 4th in the league, due in part because of the continued maturation of Spears and Ware.

Case dismissed.

 

[ravidubey]

Ravi
Ware had his big game against a horrible left tackle last year.
Someone remind me who it was.
I don't care if it was Carolina-the guy was terrible.
Quit being such a homer.

And the great Julius Peppers was playing against Rob Petitti, so what? Other pass rushers faced Wharton that year too, none did what Ware did to him. Then there's the three forced fumbles, which I view to be a biggeer statistic than sacks. I guess Wharton was responsible for those too .

Merriman goes crazy against the Oakland Raiders, a team that could be compared with the 89 Cowboys, still doesn't post the same numbers that Ware did, and suddenly he's a Hall of Famer.

The casual fan looks for the ESPN hype package, which is Merriman. Meanwhile Ware is doing it all and bringing a pass rush.

Watching that Washington running back try and block Ware was amusing. In Ware's case, it's not being a homer to admire his game. Not at all.