For those who don't think Drew makes the HOF

[Hostile]

That's exactly my point.

What player can be great great with poor talent around him. But people are saying that Bledsoe shouldn't make the HOF, because he did not win championships, or have a big enough impact on the game.

He did not have enough good players around him to win Superbowls.

And when the Patriots did get the supporting cast in there to win the superbowl, he got hurt and they went on that winning streak with Brady, so Bellichek rightly decide to keep Brady in there.

You guys don't have to buy it, and you can put up all the smileys you want, but none of you can honestly claim that Aikman played at a hall of fame level when the talent around him went down from '97 until the end of his career.

But you hold it against other qb's when they don't succeed with poor talent around them.

So I'm going to pull a Nor's and stamp my feet and shout it until you finally give up and admit that I am right.

Now (while picturing Sam Kinison) admit that I am right......

SAAAAY IIIIIIT. SAAAAAAAAAY IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT. SAAAAAAAAAAAAAY IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT.
OH.... OH..... OH......

Nice post. Sorry, simply don't agree. Put them on the same team and Bledsoe sits behind Aikman with the possible exception of the year Aikman was really hurt.

Aikman's legend > Bledsoe's passing yardage

 

[Danny White]

Good post, and I agree with much of this. I'm certainly not saying he's incapable. But he has not been spectacular as some have been. That is why I have been discussing impact.

I was the one who brought up his contemporaries. To compare them you went right ot stats. I'm simply not doing that. The QBs of his early years were legendary figures.

Marino

Elway

Young

Favre

Aikman

Kelly

To be in the top 5 of that era you'd have to tell me he is better than one of those guys. I don't see it.

Now in the latter part of his his career there is a new era of QB.

Manning

Brady

McNabb

Culpepper

Vick

Again, in comparison he's going to lag behind. That is no fault of his. He just happened to land in the NFL at a time when there are some QBs grabbing bigger headlines than he does.

Is it fair? I can't answer that. It's reality and it's about impact.

I'd put him ahead of Vick and Culpepper -- although they still have a lot of years left in them, and possibly in front of McNabb, although his story isn't finished either.

This is probably a case of me not being objective again, but I don't think Young or Kelly are slam-dunk favorites over him either. I'm not sure how either of those clowns are "legendary."

 

[Doomsday101]

You tell me. Jim Plunkett won 2 Super Bowls. Hurt or help his chances?

Plunkett though never had 1 season where he threw for 3,000 plus yards and had only 4 season where he threw more TD passes than ints. and only had 3 season where he had a decent passers rating most of the time they were below 70.0 If there was any positive to his career it is the 2 SB.

 

[Hostile]

I'd put him ahead of Vick and Culpepper -- although they still have a lot of years left in them, and possibly in front of McNabb, although his story isn't finished either.

This is probably a case of me not being objective again, but I don't think Young or Kelly are slam-dunk favorites over him either. I'm not sure how either of those clowns are "legendary."

Put yourself in the position of Head Coach.

You'd bench Young, Kelly, Vick, or Culpepper for Bledsoe? Some might. I think most wouldn't.

Look what happened when Brady stepped up to the plate. Suddenly he was expendable.

He's good. I'm not saying he isn't. But those guys make you notice what they are doing. That's impact.

 

[Hostile]

Plunkett though never had 1 season where he threw for 3,000 plus yards and had only 4 season where he threw more TD passes than ints. and only had 3 season where he had a decent passers rating most of the time they were below 70.0 If there was any positive to his career it is the 2 SB.

He was never in an offense that did that or an era where they did either.

The question is does it help his case. I think it can be debated either way. How many QBs have 2 rings? Rare company.

 

[dbair1967]

To me, really only his last season was horrible. The 97 season, his QB ranking was only 78% but as I recall, that was the year that the influence of Jimmy kinda faded. That team, IMO, was coached by Switzer or not coached may be a better way to discribe that. Completion percentage really dropped in that 97 season, only 56.4%. That was lowest it ever was outside of his rookie year. Still in all, many on this board would have killed for stats like that a year ago.

I don't know, I don't think his performance was all that horrific his last 4 years. Not vintage but certainly acceptable from a Professional NFL QB IMO.

Aikman actually had pretty solid years in 98 and 99 in Chan Gailey's dink and dunk system that clearly didnt play to Aikman's strengths...

in 98 he missed 5 1/2 games but still threw 12 tds and only 5 picks with a QB rating of 88.5...in 99 he missed 2 games but threw 17 tds and only 12 picks with a rating of 81.1...both yrs he completed just under 60% of his throws

his only bad yr was 2000, and injury/severe talent deficiencies and poor coaching brought him down more than anything else...the guy was an awesome player...alot of the dolts on here who bash him hardly saw him play, and if they did it was probably only his last yr in the league

David

 

[joseephuss]

Plunkett though never had 1 season where he threw for 3,000 plus yards and had only 4 season where he threw more TD passes than ints. and only had 3 season where he had a decent passers rating most of the time they were below 70.0 If there was any positive to his career it is the 2 SB.

The 2 SB wins help Plunkett. It has to, but that is not all. It has to be a combination of many things. It may very slightly for everyone. I look at as stats, wins, rings, impact and aura or however you want to describe it. Not listed in any order of importance.

I look at Staubach as an example.

Stats: Retired as the highest rated QB.

Wins: High winning percentage

Rings: 2 SB wins and 2 more appearances

Impact: Everydefense knew Roger and that they had to stop him. Ran a complex system.

Aura: Team leader. The team truly believed he could do anything. Fans did, too.

 

[ravidubey]

Take a look at the legend of John Elway and the comeback wins.

I told you, it isn't about the stats, it's about the impact on the game.

Vinny, DeBerg, and Kreig have great stats. They aren't in.

Impact, impact, impact.

Legendary plays, stats, pedigree, and associate all factor in. Bob Griese was a bus driver for a team that went undefeated and won back-to-back Superbowls. In.

Drew Pearson has a Superbowl Ring, was on the all decade team of the 70's, caught *THE* Hail Mary, and was part of numerous Cowboy comeback victories. Decent stats, no pedigree, not in.

50000 passing yards and the pedigree of being a #1 overall pick could get Bledsoe in-- especially if Dallas has playoff success with Bledsoe. But 50000 yards will not come easy-- that's like three more really good seasons as a starter.

 

[Doomsday101]

He was never in an offense that did that or an era where they did either.

The question is does it help his case. I think it can be debated either way. How many QBs have 2 rings? Rare company.

SB rings help anyone’s case just as the lack of rings by some of the 70's Cowboys have kept them out. I do disagree with the voters of the HOF because SB rings are a team accomplishment and the HOF should be based on an individual’s accomplishment.

 

[dbair1967]

Put yourself in the position of Head Coach.

You'd bench Young, Kelly, Vick, or Culpepper for Bledsoe? Some might. I think most wouldn't.

Look what happened when Brady stepped up to the plate. Suddenly he was expendable.

He's good. I'm not saying he isn't. But those guys make you notice what they are doing. That's impact.

Vick? why the heck would you list him? are you wanting to run the option or the single wing?

the guy is a pathetic passer

Culpepper is an enigma...Kelly and Young I'd player over Bledsoe though

David

 

[dbair1967]

Nice post. Sorry, simply don't agree. Put them on the same team and Bledsoe sits behind Aikman with the possible exception of the year Aikman was really hurt.

Aikman's legend > Bledsoe's passing yardage

wasnt just the legend thing...Aikman was a better player in his prime than Bledsoe was...

and IMO Aikman was the best QB in football from 91-95 by a good bit...he was a tremdnous passer and leader, and while his regular seasons were good his postseasons were exceptional...alot of players crumble when it counts the most, but Aikman thrived on postseason play

David

 

[dbair1967]

You tell me. Jim Plunkett won 2 Super Bowls. Hurt or help his chances?

niether...he isnt a HOF QB

David

 

[Nors]

The 2 SB wins help Plunkett. It has to, but that is not all. It has to be a combination of many things. It may very slightly for everyone. I look at as stats, wins, rings, impact and aura or however you want to describe it. Not listed in any order of importance.

I look at Staubach as an example.

Stats: Retired as the highest rated QB.

Wins: High winning percentage

Rings: 2 SB wins and 2 more appearances

Impact: Everydefense knew Roger and that they had to stop him. Ran a complex system.

Aura: Team leader. The team truly believed he could do anything. Fans did, too.

Plunkett had like 30 or 40 more Ints than TD's.

 

[joseephuss]

Plunkett had like 30 or 40 more Ints than TD's.

I didn't say Plunkett was HOF worthy. Just that it takes more than looking at his two SB wins. Those certainly help, but aren't enough in my opinion to offset everything else.

 

[joseephuss]

Vick? why the heck would you list him? are you wanting to run the option or the single wing?

the guy is a pathetic passer

Culpepper is an enigma...Kelly and Young I'd player over Bledsoe though

David

You add Vick because you can't just look at his passing abilities. The guy is a leader at his position and leads his team to wins and into the playoffs. Without Vick, Atlanta doesn't make the NFC championship game last year.

 

[Nors]

Bledsoes Era will be 1993-2007

I'll throw in

Favre
Manning
Brady (SB)

Bledsoe is in the mix to be in that next grouping - you could argue top 5 in this era.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Somebody please help out a poor confused Cowboy fan here. Plunkett isn't in the hall. What relivance does he play here?

 

[Jimz31]

The only thing that hurts Bledsoe is that he is now playing for the Cowboys.

 

[dbair1967]

You add Vick because you can't just look at his passing abilities. The guy is a leader at his position and leads his team to wins and into the playoffs. Without Vick, Atlanta doesn't make the NFC championship game last year.

they beat an 8-8 Rams team that backed into the playoffs, at home...

thats why they made the NFC Championship game

Vick had nothing to do with the Falcons being near the top of the league defensively in sacks and forced turnovers...THATS why the Falcons made the playoffs last yr and in 2002

David

 

[dbair1967]

Bledsoes Era will be 1993-2007

I'll throw in

Favre
Manning
Brady (SB)

Bledsoe is in the mix to be in that next grouping - you could argue top 5 in this era.

sorry Nors, but Troy Aikman,Dan Marino, Steve Young and John Elway were all head and shoulders better than Bledsoe...I think you could argue about Warren Moon being better as well

David