For those who missed this Parcells gem on MN Countdown...

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94WARE94;1597531 said:
i didnt know Killa got shot a couple times.. dude is a warrior

I don't have any problem with the warrior comment. Any Cowboy who plays a game with a bullet in his leg qualifies as a warrior in my book.

As for how he got the bullet, sure, it would be better for him to avoid the strip bars and the freeways altogether, but I don't really have a problem with wealthy, young, single guys going out once in a while. Both of Davis' situations were unusual, and though I don't think he was probably completely innocent, I also haven't seen anything to indicate he was an instigator.
 

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Seven;1597809 said:
Alright. No one had the nads.................Fuzzy, that is just asinine. Go to your room.

he said people in genreal dont give respect to those that have been injured. its not true. you dont know the circumstances in which Davis got shot.
 

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dmq;1597592 said:
Like him or not, Parcells is very good in the studio. Very insightful and filled with experience.
He is.

I think he'd be even better as a color guy in the booth.
 

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There are a whole lot of ways to relax and have fun that don't include going to strip clubs= or any kind of low rent scum joint. I have no sympathy for anyone that gets in trouble at a place like that- as far as I am concerned you are asking for trouble the moment you go in the door.
 

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burmafrd;1597842 said:
There are a whole lot of ways to relax and have fun that don't include going to strip clubs= or any kind of low rent scum joint. I have no sympathy for anyone that gets in trouble at a place like that- as far as I am concerned you are asking for trouble the moment you go in the door.

Ding, ding, ding, ding... We have a winner! :bow:

People act as if it is a player's "right" to go to a night club and if they just take all the proper precautions then everything should be OK. Well, that isn't the case in reality. Players may have a legal right to go to the club but as a professional football player that "right" is forfeited. They have a responsibility to themselves, their family, their teammates, their team, the league, and to the fans to stay away from places that have a high likelihood of something bad happening.

The night club is not a place where good things happen, period. It is a place for people of low character to hang out together and try to hook up. The likelihood of something bad happening at a club, regardless of how "upscale", is far higher than at any other legal venue.

The NFL should include a clause in every player's contract that if they get into trouble at any kind of night club, strip club, members only club, etc. they are suspended for a year for the first offense. If it happens again they are banned for life and have to repay any bonuses that they got upfront.


There is no GOOD reason for anyone to go to one of these places, ever.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1597815 said:
you dont know the circumstances in which Davis got shot.
Do you know?

Keith Davis And His Holes

By Mike Fisher
TheRanchReport.com
Posted Jul 19, 2006

They did it on "Dragnet.'' They did it on "Columbo.'' They do it on "Law & Order.'' It's the knack/habit/insistence of asking ONE MORE QUESTION. ... as someone needs to do now with Cowboys safety Keith Davis.

I come not to bury Keith as a "thug,'' or as someone who "deserves'' to have absorbed bullet wounds twice in the span of three years. But nor do I come to praise him for being tough enough, or cool enough, to wear a "battle scar'' on the back of his head, the result of last weekend's apparent drive-by shooting.

This is less a football matter than it is a legal matter; even if there is anything besides bad luck and coincidence that has placed Keith Davis in oddly vulnerable, potentially lethal situations twice in three years (and keep in mind, you and I consider it bad luck to have two FLAT TIRES in three years), it doesn't figure to affect Keith's status as a Cowboy. Coach Bill Parcells knew exactly what he was in for when he dismissed Davis from the team three years ago for being in yet another "wrong place at the wrong time'' -- a strip club where he was shot -- and he knew even more when he eventually invited Davis back and allowed him a start job last season.

So like you, I want everything to be OK. I want everything to be square. And screw Ben Roethlisberger wearing a helmet while on a motorcycle; I'm suggesting Keith Davis wear a helmet while driving the Impala.

Anyway, I bet Parcells wants to ask some questions. I assume police do. And I know I do. For instance:

1) Keith is saying something about returning from Shreveport in time to attend church. Does that jive with being in the car at 5 a.m.? "Shreveport. ... and then church''? Given that they go together like "Lance Armstrong'' and "comedy at the ESPYs,'' does it ring true at all?

2) Police say the gunshots unloaded into the rear of the car suggest that the shooter wasn't trying to kill Davis. OK, but don't the gunshots that reached his head and thigh scream otherwise?

3) There is the suggestion that the 2003 strip-club incident and this incident are completely unrelated. What are the odds of that being true?

4) Police were very slow and very reluctant to ID the "other person'' in Davis' car. I immediately knew that meant it was a woman. Which police have now confirmed. Why the slowness? Why the reluctance? And who is she? I mean, unless she's, say, Barbara Bush, why the hush-hush?

5) In fact, why do both the Davis shooting cases seem so similar in at least one regard: The slow pace at which details were released? In the 2003 case, some reports still insist the establishment was a "nightclub'' when it was in fact a "strip club.'' Davis still insists he was there at 2:15 a.m. to "pick up a friend,'' yet at the same time, as the story goes, he ended up in a dispute while protecting his girlfriend. Was she the "friend" being picked up? What was she doing at a strip club? Is she the same woman from this case?

6) And then the logical follow-up question to Keith's passenger: Honey, are you SURE you don't know the shooter?

7) Oh, yeah. ... do carjackers generally strike vehicles traveling at 65 MPH on an open interstate? Do they generally fill the car body full of holes? And if they shoot the driver in the head, do they enjoy jacking a car that just crashed into a wall because the fellow in the driver's seat is dead?

8) And more on the nature of carjacking: Davis says he pulled over after being shot. If so, why didn't the carjackers pull over as well, and claim their prize? If it's a carjacking, why didn't they jack? Why did they keep driving?

9) And one more: There has got to be an easier way to steal a car than to attempt murder on the driver of a moving vehicle. Right?

10) And this question is for you, and me, the Cowboys fan who wants to believe that Keith Davis is completely innocent, that he truly learned a behavioral lesson from Parcells when he was released, that strip clubs are no longer his thing, that his laughing off the incident is "gallows humor'' and not "I'm-Indestructable'' naivete, that he doesn't hang with the "wrong element,'' that this shooting really did happen the way he says and where he says, and that he is simply a victim of lighting striking twice:

If this had happened to a Giants safety, an Eagles safety or a Commanders safety, would you and I believe it then?

Or maybe better put: As much as we might believe Keith. ... if he asked us, tonight, to ride shotgun with him on a drive to Harry Hines Blvd., Shreveport, or church. ... how many MPH would we speed in the opposite direction? I'm not attacking Keith Davis. I'm glad he's alive, I'm glad he's planning on being ready for camp, and pending Parcells' Good Housekeeping Approval on answers to some of the above questions, I'm glad he'll be competing for a starting job.

Most of all, I'm glad Keith's body doesn't have any more holes. ... and befuddled by the fact that his story does.
 

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For me the bottom line is guys hanging out at bars at 2:00 in the morning are asking for trouble even if they are not the ones to instigate it. No one is saying don't go out at night but use some common sense and don't run the streets late at night nothing but drunks and cops out there and it is not an accident that we see so many getting busted during these hours, it happens to often to think it is just some bad luck situation.
 

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It was not in that video clip.

But I found an exchange pretty funny.

Boomer was talking about Bill being there now and Bill said he was sticking around.

Said "I am not going anywhere"

Keys looked at him and said "I have heard that before"

:laugh2: :laugh2:
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1597954 said:
Said "I am not going anywhere"

Keys looked at him and said "I have heard that before"

:laugh2: :laugh2:

I think we all have heard that one before. :laugh2:
 

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HopeCowboyFan;1597695 said:
NFL players in nightclubs and hanging out late at night are targets for all this.

Pacman is exhibit A and Killah and Hamlin on our team exhibit B.

Candidly, It's not just football players. If average Joe Fan frequents and hangs out at Night clubs at 1:30 in the morning the odds of something bad happening to them expand exponentially.

Gee, I guess I have been really lucky then because I go to a strip club about once a week. I have been going for the past 10 years and I have seen one "almost" fight. The guy was pulled out by the bouncers before anything could happen. I have never seen anyone get short or even heard shots fired. To be perfectly honest I tend to find some of the seediest places around since they are usually where you get the most value for your dollar and this has been in both DC and Baltimore. :D

Its simple go there, keep to yourself and don't act like Bill Bad *** and you won't have problems. I think it is rather stupid for people to complain about players going to clubs, they are allowed to have a life too you know.
 

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THUMPER;1597855 said:
Ding, ding, ding, ding... We have a winner! :bow:

People act as if it is a player's "right" to go to a night club and if they just take all the proper precautions then everything should be OK. Well, that isn't the case in reality. Players may have a legal right to go to the club but as a professional football player that "right" is forfeited. They have a responsibility to themselves, their family, their teammates, their team, the league, and to the fans to stay away from places that have a high likelihood of something bad happening.

The night club is not a place where good things happen, period. It is a place for people of low character to hang out together and try to hook up. The likelihood of something bad happening at a club, regardless of how "upscale", is far higher than at any other legal venue.

The NFL should include a clause in every player's contract that if they get into trouble at any kind of night club, strip club, members only club, etc. they are suspended for a year for the first offense. If it happens again they are banned for life and have to repay any bonuses that they got upfront.


There is no GOOD reason for anyone to go to one of these places, ever.

To each is own. If they want to sit at home all night with their wife and kids and fall asleep on Jay Leno so you can wake up in the morning to go to work or play golf on Saturday, thats cool. But you have no right to tell anyone how they "should" live their life.

You are sounding they are 8 year old kids, they are grown men who have the right to do whatever they want to do. If a Cowboy starter decides he wants to go out, what are you going to do, go to the club and drag him out cause you want him to play for the cowboys on Sunday, lol. Last I checked, this is a free country, and saying that it should be in EVERY contract is way over the top, especially if someone has no past record of a whole lot of trouble.

Doomsday101;1597929 said:
For me the bottom line is guys hanging out at bars at 2:00 in the morning are asking for trouble even if they are not the ones to instigate it. No one is saying don't go out at night but use some common sense and don't run the streets late at night nothing but drunks and cops out there and it is not an accident that we see so many getting busted during these hours, it happens to often to think it is just some bad luck situation.

Not all are asking for trouble, not all go to bed at 10pm just cause you think they should. Just cause your conservative doesn't mean that everyone is.
 

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DallasEast;1597534 said:
Sure has. Where have you been??? Davis attracts bullets like Pamela Anderson attracts gawkers. :)

So basically that doesn't happen too often anymore is what you're saying? I'm confussed. I don't think anyone's even glanced Pamela Anderson's direction since 2000-2001, and that's probably being kind. I'm lost.
 

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Faerluna;1597972 said:
Bill also said that the Eagles had the best OL in the NFC East.

I don't doubt him saying that. I mean after that 2006 draft they had. Like they got Giles and one of the Winstons I believe in the top 2 rounds. Now that should've been our draft instead of Carpenter! Sadly enough too, it was our most glaring area of need also and everyone knew it at the time. Thanks Bill for telling us how great the next OL is that should've been our OL had you not drafted your buddies little boy instead. Just love you for that one!
 

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Deep_Freeze;1598119 said:
To each is own. If they want to sit at home all night with their wife and kids and fall asleep on Jay Leno so you can wake up in the morning to go to work or play golf on Saturday, thats cool. But you have no right to tell anyone how they "should" live their life.

You are sounding they are 8 year old kids, they are grown men who have the right to do whatever they want to do. If a Cowboy starter decides he wants to go out, what are you going to do, go to the club and drag him out cause you want him to play for the cowboys on Sunday, lol. Last I checked, this is a free country, and saying that it should be in EVERY contract is way over the top, especially if someone has no past record of a whole lot of trouble.



Not all are asking for trouble, not all go to bed at 10pm just cause you think they should to help your favorite team on Sunday. Just cause your conservative doesn't mean that everyone is.

They may not ask for it but look around for a change and see how many are busted during these hours doing the same damn thing. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on. Others like Parcells sees the same thing and knows this from years of experiance of dealing with players. I'm not talking about going to bed at 10:00 I'm talking about not running the streets at 2 in the morning there is nothing good that is going to come from this. But please continue to put your head in the sand and pretend that these guys are not getting busted time after time during these hours haning out at these clubs.
 

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Doomsday101;1598128 said:
They may not ask for it but look around for a change and see how many are busted during these hours doing the same damn thing. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on. Others like Parcells sees the same thing and knows this from years of experiance of dealing with players. I'm not talking about going to bed at 10:00 I'm talking about not running the streets at 2 in the morning there is nothing good that is going to come from this. But please continue to put your head in the sand and pretend that these guys are not getting busted time after time during these hours haning out at these clubs.

I'm not saying that stuff doesn't happen, never said that (and I am qualified to be a rocket scientist, lol :) ). I said that some do need to be smarter if they do go out, and some don't act correctly when they are out. But in no way am I going to say that they can't go out, I'm not their judge.

I have always been a nightowl, everyone is different. For every guy that is "busted", there are also plenty who aren't.
 

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Deep_Freeze;1598151 said:
I'm not saying that stuff doesn't happen, never said that (and I am qualified to be a rocket scientist, lol :) ). I said that some do need to be smarter if they do go out, and some don't act correctly when they are out. But in no way am I going to say that they can't go out, I'm not their judge.

I have always been a nightowl, everyone is different. For every guy that is "busted", there are also plenty who aren't.

You’re not worth million, you are not a target they are and they stick out like sore thumbs. The league talks to these guys when they enter the league of the importance of who and where you hang out but many do not listen. These guys have careers and millions at stake and to piss it away over something so stupid as hanging out at strip clubs at all hour of the morning well they get what they deserve for being so stupid to put themselves in those situations. The avg Joe does not have as much at stake as these guys do and all too often when I turn on the TV or read the paper it is the same old same old, this guy is busted at a bar at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning it is not an accident that these things happen. The NFL knows this and the coaches know this and that is why they warn them.
 
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