Former NFL agent sets Dak price target to eclipse $100M in guarantees

[LatinMind]

a whole lot of GUESSING..this is why he isnt signed asking for far too much.. goff/wentz got what 110 now dak wants 120..SMH FT let his get offers take 2 firsts from him and move forward..

Move forward to looking for a new qb? Ur complaining bout him, imagine ur complaints when theyre trying to find his replacement.

 

[CouchCoach]

They CANNOT trade him unless he signs the tag... period becausehe isn'ta Cowboy until he signs so he picks where he goes. Dak makes so little with sponsors compared to this contract that its simply worth risking. Plus every sponsor knows this always blows over.

As for not showing up, he isn't under contract so he isn't required to show and of you pull the tag, he goes and signs a 1-2 year deal somwhere for 30m with the guarantee of no tag and breaks 40m and the Cowboys are irrelevant for the next 5-6 years.

If he is tagged and doesn't show, they have no choice but to dump this year or stay with the offense from last year and that might be what McC was getting out in front of when he kept Moore and said they would keep the terminology Prescott was familiar with. MCC does seem to be getting out in front of a QB holdout, just in case.

The Cowboys put themselves in this spot by ignoring the QB position and giving all the leverage away. Plus that have the reputation for cratering. Prescott's agent has no choice but to play hardball because he's being watched by potential clients in a stare down with the biggest blinkers with stars in the NFL.

 

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If he is tagged and doesn't show, they have no choice but to dump this year or stay with the offense from last year and that might be what McC was getting out in front of when he kept Moore and said they would keep the terminology Prescott was familiar with. MCC does seem to be getting out in front of a QB holdout, just in case.

The Cowboys put themselves in this spot by ignoring the QB position and giving all the leverage away. Plus that have the reputation for cratering. Prescott's agent has no choice but to play hardball because he's being watched by potential clients in a stare down with the biggest blinkers with stars in the NFL.

There is also that QBs can play hardball because they have more leverage on two fronts given that the offseason program NEEDS them to function and they have longer careers so they can afford to play on 2 franchise tags and still have 2 big contracts waiting after whereas other positions cave because it eats up a big chunk of their "prime"

 

[AbeBeta]

Suppose one of these players has a Theismann-esque leg snap the first year of that contract? Even if you break it in half for two years, that's a huge chunk.

That's sort of the whole dang point of guaranteed money. Players could have a career-ending injury at any point. Their earning power shouldn't disappear.

 

[glimmerman]

Of course his guaranteed will be over 100 million. It’s a no brainer. JJ will get this deal done because he wants him. This is more about the length of contract. Dak wants to renegotiate his contract after the new CBA kicks in and after mahomes and the other better QBs raise the market values. He won’t get 40 million a year on this contract. No one would sign him for that and his agent knows it. I do think a team would give him a short term contract for goff money.

Daks agent raised there asking price apparently after the 3-0 start so the FO shut it down and quit making offers. The last one was 33 a year. Not a bad offer but it’s gonna take a few dollars more than goff. It’s Daks decision and he already slipped up and said he didn’t expect Wilson money because he hasn’t won a SB. Now I believe that if goff got more than him then Dak would be wanting it also. But..

goffs deal...

4 years and 134 million
33.5 per year
57 million guaranteed at signing 110 million overall
25 million signing bonus..

My guess on Daks contract.. Like it or not.

4 years and around 136-138 million
34-34.5 per year
60 million guaranteed at signing and 112-115 guaranteed overall
50-60 million signing bonus.

Will be a out for us after 3 years. So we will pay half of the guaranteed money in bonus. I think that gets it done. If he is asking a lot more than that then expect him to get the tag and we see if he holds out. I do think that once the details of this last offer and counter offer comes out then it will give other teams a heads up on if he gets any better offers. Our FO will let the details of our offer “slip” out.

 

[blueblood70]

Move forward to looking for a new qb? Ur complaining bout him, imagine ur complaints when theyre trying to find his replacement.

its the reality's of the NFL , you either severely overpay for an average players or try and replace them.. I said and not sure if you can read ,

FT Dak thats the best bet, let him seek offers and if we get a stupid team willing to give the 2 firsts , take it , if not we must prepare for him holding out by getting a solid Journeymen and a draft pick like Fromm/Hurts and develop them NOW.. If Dak comes back, we have solid backups either way getting a replacement for Rush and a long-term draft pick in mid rounds is necessary..

Pay dak 37 and hes already hit his ceiling and we never make a SB when his deal is up again in 4 yrs, then what? that doesnt set us back? we should plan this I saw NE keep drafting backups had Journeymen back behind tom for years just in case, us we get spares like Rush who also cant push dak, who also cant go in for one game like the philly game where daks hurt and give us a better option..

its asinine to think like this , Bree's had TB and sure didnt mind Taysom Hill getting snaps..they had plan and well Brees goes out they win 5 straight with TB and Hill..Dallas is being small minded and IMO trying to not create a QB Controversy with better backups... afraid to expose their starter or hurt his feelings..this is business and like I said why not say a Hurts in the 4th round come in and if Dak does come back you use him like Balt used Jackson his rookie year and how the Saints use THill, you get him snaps ad help the offense while he learns..

and having a Fitz, MM, or Keenum as a backup regardless of Daks holdout or gone is a better pan then rush..thats big picture thinking..

 

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its the reality's of the NFL , you either severely overpay for an average players or try and replace them.. I said and not sure if you can read ,

FT Dak thats the best bet, let him seek offers and if we get a stupid team willing to give the 2 firsts , take it , if not we must prepare for him holding out by getting a solid Journeymen and a draft pick like Fromm/Hurts and develop them NOW.. If Dak comes back, we have solid backups either way getting a replacement for Rush and a long-term draft pick in mid rounds is necessary..

Pay dak 37 and hes already hit his ceiling and we never make a SB when his deal is up again in 4 yrs, then what? that doesnt set us back? we should plan this I saw NE keep drafting backups had Journeymen back behind tom for years just in case, us we get spares like Rush who also cant push dak, who also cant go in for one game like the philly game where daks hurt and give us a better option..

its asinine to think like this , Bree's had TB and sure didnt mind Taysom Hill getting snaps..they had plan and well Brees goes out they win 5 straight with TB and Hill..Dallas is being small minded and IMO trying to not create a QB Controversy with better backups... afraid to expose their starter or hurt his feelings..this is business and like I said why not say a Hurts in the 4th round come in and if Dak does come back you use him like Balt used Jackson his rookie year and how the Saints use THill, you get him snaps ad help the offense while he learns..

and having a Fitz, MM, or Keenum as a backup regardless of Daks holdout or gone is a better pan then rush..thats big picture thinking..

I mean if you franchise Dak AND use a 1st on a QB you already are committed to moving on because you just burned your resources to compete so why even bother with the tag? Also if you draft a QB you probably already lose. If you start a journeyman QB you are probably winning about 6 games just because that is what QBs like Keenum and Mariotta get you and remember MM was the 2nd pick in the draft.

 

[LatinMind]

its the reality's of the NFL , you either severely overpay for an average players or try and replace them.. I said and not sure if you can read ,

FT Dak thats the best bet, let him seek offers and if we get a stupid team willing to give the 2 firsts , take it , if not we must prepare for him holding out by getting a solid Journeymen and a draft pick like Fromm/Hurts and develop them NOW.. If Dak comes back, we have solid backups either way getting a replacement for Rush and a long-term draft pick in mid rounds is necessary..

Pay dak 37 and hes already hit his ceiling and we never make a SB when his deal is up again in 4 yrs, then what? that doesnt set us back? we should plan this I saw NE keep drafting backups had Journeymen back behind tom for years just in case, us we get spares like Rush who also cant push dak, who also cant go in for one game like the philly game where daks hurt and give us a better option..

its asinine to think like this , Bree's had TB and sure didnt mind Taysom Hill getting snaps..they had plan and well Brees goes out they win 5 straight with TB and Hill..Dallas is being small minded and IMO trying to not create a QB Controversy with better backups... afraid to expose their starter or hurt his feelings..this is business and like I said why not say a Hurts in the 4th round come in and if Dak does come back you use him like Balt used Jackson his rookie year and how the Saints use THill, you get him snaps ad help the offense while he learns..

and having a Fitz, MM, or Keenum as a backup regardless of Daks holdout or gone is a better pan then rush..thats big picture thinking..

Where has this happened?

Other then the cheifs replacing Smith with Mahomes where has this happened?

I agree the team needs better options at backup. But Dak is the guy for this team. He's improved every yr hes been in the league.

Coaching has really held him down. Coaching philosophy has held this whole team down. And people like you say it all the time except when it comes to talking about Dak, then all of the sudden the gripes of coaching disappears and its all about Dak not being any good.

 

[jterrell]

And if no one comes calling for him to make that deal the leverage would fall back to the Cowboys, you would think anyway. It would put thinks in better perspective

That doesn't work that way at all, lol.

Not sure why people know so little about this topic considering there is literally nothing else ever spoken on this time of year.

DAL will tag Dak PREVENTING other teams from even making him an offer.
The tag means he will be GUARANTEED 33M, this year and be an unrestricted free agent again next year.
He MUST sign before he can be traded.
Else he can NOT be traded.

DAL can pull the tag, but you can't trade a free agent.

Nothing any other team offers matters. BECAUSE DAK retains all the power.
Another team can rent him a la Clowney but they can't extend him this year.
Another team to pull off a true sign and trade would have to commit the money and structure he wants unofficially, pay DAL what they want in trade compensation and do so with all parties agreeing not to snitch that they all cheated the rules.

In another words none of that is happening because we've been told he will be tagged at exclusive rights.
DAL has no real back up QB option and picks too late to get a QB anyone would gamble on as a day 1 starter.

So again this situation sucks because Dak has all the leverage.
DAL had to see that coming and failed to do so.
This is a mess Stephen Jones created.
He did the same with DLaw and then got chumped off by Zeke's agent who forced their hand.
The whole thing has been criminally mishandled.

Dak should have been signed long ago well ahead of the new CBA that'll tack on about 5% to all contracts.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

no. My response was more regarding what poster I quoted said as far as “what if a player suffers a gruesome injury after being paid”


What if they suffer a gruesome injury before being paid?


Imo you can’t/shouldn’t cap earnings while already having a rookie wage scale. Can be one or the other (I prefer neither considering the hundreds of millions owners are raking in) but not both.

Agree with you, thank you for the reply.

 

[jterrell]

so? Get a journeymen , draft say Fromm or Hurts in the 4th and start the process.. MM is genius a qb whisperer, well start whispering BYE DAK..

we should have plan anyway having a new 4th round drfat pick and journeymen as backups to Dak or to be there if Dak holds out..The FO needs plan and good one to prevent Dak frm holding them hostage..37 is INSANE for Daks talent..

MM won with Aaron friggin Rodgers ( a top 5 all-time QB talent) and they hated each other.
He has done nothing of note with any QB outside the top 10 in 15 years.
Calling him a QB whisperer is an epic stretch.

Journeymen QBs are going for 25M-30M this off-season.
QBs have all the leverage and have for about a decade now which is why their money is stupid.

Even if you find a miracle QB in round 4 a la Dak you are going to have to eventually pay them too.
QB play isn't cheap and it certainly isn't free.

You can of course go cheap and just suck and then draft one after a full on year of trash play. --See NYG.
Then you can play that guy with team that's left and suck again but hopefully build in 2-3 years.
Sounds fun huh?

PLEASE STOP POSTING STUPID THINGS.
This has gotten worse than politics.

 

[blueblood70]

Where has this happened?

Other then the cheifs replacing Smith with Mahomes where has this happened?

I agree the team needs better options at backup. But Dak is the guy for this team. He's improved every yr hes been in the league.

Coaching has really held him down. Coaching philosophy has held this whole team down. And people like you say it all the time except when it comes to talking about Dak, then all of the sudden the gripes of coaching disappears and its all about Dak not being any good.

poor Dak woesy him the wittle coaches made him throw poorly..KLMAO

 

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poor Dak woesy him the wittle coaches made him throw poorly..KLMAO

Cornball

 

[Rockport]

OR TAKE THE WORD OF NO WORDS, NO DEAL, HES AWATING THE FT BECAUSE HIS OWN TEAM HAS OFFERED A FAIR DEAL AND HES DEMANIND MORE...More then he deserves..way more..

what I said is true and if it weren't he would have been signed already, hes not and Jerry is an emotional owner , hes loyal, hes pays his stars he truly believes in and is typically more then fair in his offers and like him I agree 32/33 over 6 years and team friendly is more then fair for a QB lie Dak RIGHT Now...its true because go back to all the games in NE, BUFF, CHI, even the rams game where he allegedly was hurt and not been needed, and then the 2nd half of the philly game those are some examples, not all, but watch closely he had time , OL was blocking, receivers open and Dak simply forgot how to set his feet and throw accurately when the heat was on...IDC dont sell me his accolades on YARDS etc

in Goal line, redzone,. and when he was truly leaned on and was needed in these big games, he was BAD.. he was throwing behind WRs, to the wrong read, etc etc.. we all saw it yet you somehow you blindly deny it...

Dak is this you, is this your agent? you sound like part of their big money strongarm team.. acting as if we all dont have EYES..Ive always supported dak made excuses et cetc always seemed to be and excuse , IMO this year those games I watched like on Thanksgiving, no excuse he just couldn't get it done when pressured..Most good QBs in this league with time and less pressure can connect to open WRs, thats not special, its the QBs that can connect when they dont have as much time, or om the run, or in a tighter throw... Dak failed in this scenario many games this last season and I saw it.. he became a ball chucker vs a QB, just letting balls fly no matter where they landed when pressured.. thats a straight RED FLAG..

this separates the good from greats.. he was below avg to JAG in these situations , just an average QB.. not saying compared to the bottom 16 but compared to the top 10 the truly good to great and then the tp 5 Elite ..

he wants to be paid like these guys but was more like a Carr or MM Winston all those guys are in Daks Tier, you can argue whos better out of them but they ALL are in the 2nd tier . how you rank them is moot..DAK DOES NOT DESREVE TO BE THIS DEMANDING TO POO POO THOSE DEALS.. those are very fair..

they wont send him to the poor house...IF he out preforms his 32/33 deal in 3yeras jerry will and we know he will tear it up and give dak a new deal for much more..

You have no idea what Dak is asking for so quit acting like you do. And you're entitled to your opinion on his ability and I have the right to totally disagree with it.

 

[glimmerman]

You have no idea what Dak is asking for so quit acting like you do. And you're entitled to your opinion on his ability and I have the right to totally disagree with it.

I think that’s the biggest problem. Not knowing. Did he turn down the 33 million. He couldn’t expect to get 35 when that’s the biggest contract and it went to a SB winning QB. Has the FO really not been in contact for 4 months. Is Dak wanting the tag to gamble again on himself and try again next year after mahomes raises the pay scale again.

 

[Rockport]

I think that’s the biggest problem. Not knowing. Did he turn down the 33 million. He couldn’t expect to get 35 when that’s the biggest contract and it went to a SB winning QB. Has the FO really not been in contact for 4 months. Is Dak wanting the tag to gamble again on himself and try again next year after mahomes raises the pay scale again.

Exactly. Did he turn down the 33mil or the length of the contract or something else. Or even did he turn down the contract. We don't know.

 

[glimmerman]

Exactly. Did he turn down the 33mil or the length of the contract or something else. Or even did he turn down the contract. We don't know.

Was it even offered to him in the first place. Lol. I think all of these negotiations should be put on video. Lol. Then everyone will know if a player is being greedy or if a FO is being cheap. The details always come out for the public anyways. Put them on TV and charge a small fee to watch.

 

[Ranched]

Dak dak

 

[darthseinfeld]

Personally I think somewhere things do need to get capped but im laughing would the players union ever agree on that

Nope

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

For the one's complaining about Zeke's deal wait till this puppy goes down. This board will be on RED ALERT for some.