Former Patriots Video Assistant Speaks!...Pats taped Rams walkthrough before SB?

[Jarv]

So have they done it in the seventeen games after they were caught?

Had they collapsed and posted a five hundred season all of your points would be valid. But they didn't.

The Pats cheated which has already been proven and accepted, you have no argument here. The next step is how often and did it effect past Super Bowls. Then the next question after that is the NFL leauge office covering up even more.

Sorry Alex, it may not be important to you but some want the truth to come out.

 

[5Stars]

The Pats cheated which has already been proven and accepted, you have no argument here. The next step is how often and did it effect past Super Bowls. Then the next question after that is the NFL leauge office covering up even more.

Sorry Alex, it may not be important to you but some want the truth to come out.

Well, whether they cheated or not for the last 17 games, the mere fact that they will forever have the reputation as "a cheater" is not something I would like if I were a Pats fan. And, like I said yesterday, something had to be going on with that team because I have never seen another dog team like they used to be turn it around so fast. And no, like some others have said, I do not think Belicheat is "the greatest coach to coach in the NFL".

A bad reputation is hard to overcome...makes me giddy all over! (sorry Nors...you are what you are).

 

[Alexander]

The Pats cheated which has already been proven and accepted, you have no argument here. The next step is how often and did it effect past Super Bowls. Then the next question after that is the NFL leauge office covering up even more.

Sorry Alex, it may not be important to you but some want the truth to come out.

The truth is already out. They cheated. Just like everyone else does.

Sorry, I take Coach Johnson's sentiments more to heart than a bunch of jealous fans:

<H3>Signal from Johnson

Fox studio analyst Jimmy Johnson reiterated his stance that the NFL's punishment of the Patriots' illegal videotaping procedures this year was overblown. He spoke passionately on the subject.


"The only thing I can say is so many people made such a big to-do about it, and everybody - and I mean everybody - went to the edge on rules in one form or fashion," Johnson said, reflecting on his coaching tenure with the Cowboys. "That's just part of the game, that's stealing the signals in baseball. This stuff has been going on for so long.

"When I came into the NFL, back in '89, I talked to a Kansas City scout and he said, 'Here's what we do, we videotape the opposing team's signals and then we synch it up with the game film.' So I did it."

Johnson admitted it was "borderline" but he ended up stopping because he didn't think the team got much out of it. He then spoke of other rules clubs pushed to the limit.

"When I went to the Dolphins and they talked about how you're supposed to have a 15-second cutoff [in communication] to your quarterback, but here is what we do [to circumvent that]," Johnson said. "They said they've always done this. So I said, 'OK, let's go ahead and do it.' Then the league said, 'Hey, we hear you're doing that, so don't do it anymore.'

"The point I'm making - I'm not trying to say everybody is cheaters - is that you have a rulebook that is so thick and you say 'How far can you go without breaking the rules?' When I coached the Cowboys, we didn't have this kind of scrutiny. But now, the scrutiny, every little thing we do - that's why I said the media blew it so far out of proportion.

"Would the commissioner have fined them and taken a draft pick if it had been the Arizona Cardinals? There is a lot of jealousy in this league. The high profile, it's almost making statement that 'I've got to do it because of who it is.' I know Bill Belichick very well, I know how he loves the NFL, he loves the history of the NFL, he loves the integrity of the NFL, that's why it irritates me that anyone would ever question that."

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So what do you have here? A team that kept on doing what everyone else did as a standard practice and took it an extra step. It is like debating the difference between voluntary manslaughter and murder. Intent is still a factor, so all are in essence guilty.

Above all when someone can provide evidence that they truly benefitted, then I could find myself getting excited about this recent "news". I thought it was already established they were doing this for years. So what? The Panthers did steroids before their Super Bowl with the Patriots. Are they dirty cheaters too? Everyone cheats. It is just to what degree. No one's hands are clean.

Their success this year basically dismisses that notion that those teams were only successful because of cheating.

I would love to follow the "Patriots are dirty cheaters" drumbeat. But I can't. Not logically at least. Not when Saint Jimmy tells me otherwise. So until then, the chickens can cluck and all the exposes in the world won't change that.

 

[AbeBeta]

The truth is already out. They cheated. Just like everyone else does.

Sorry, I take Coach Johnson's sentiments more to heart than a bunch of jealous fans:

</H3>
So what do you have here? A team that kept on doing what everyone else did as a standard practice and took it an extra step. It is like debating the difference between voluntary manslaughter and murder. Intent is still a factor, so all are in essence guilty.

Above all when someone can provide evidence that they truly benefitted, then I could find myself getting excited about this recent "news". I thought it was already established they were doing this for years. So what? The Panthers did steroids before their Super Bowl with the Patriots. Are they dirty cheaters too? Everyone cheats. It is just to what degree. No one's hands are clean.

Their success this year basically dismisses that notion that those teams were only successful because of cheating.

I would love to follow the "Patriots are dirty cheaters" drumbeat. But I can't. Not logically at least. Not when Saint Jimmy tells me otherwise. So until then, the chickens can cluck and all the exposes in the world won't change that.

Outstanding post. Right on the money.

 

[peplaw06]

So have they done it in the seventeen games after they were caught?

Had they collapsed and posted a five hundred season all of your points would be valid. But they didn't.

They were predicted by most as the Super Bowl winner before this scandal came out.

And then they post a perfect regular season and are poised to go 19-0, evidently to "remove all doubt," and crown them the best team ever. Sorry, it's not that easy with me. A little too convenient that every close game they've been in this year they've been the benefactor of some suspect calls, or non-calls.

 

[5Stars]

The truth is already out. They cheated. Just like everyone else does.

Sorry, I take Coach Johnson's sentiments more to heart than a bunch of jealous fans:

</H3>
So what do you have here? A team that kept on doing what everyone else did as a standard practice and took it an extra step. It is like debating the difference between voluntary manslaughter and murder. Intent is still a factor, so all are in essence guilty.

Above all when someone can provide evidence that they truly benefitted, then I could find myself getting excited about this recent "news". I thought it was already established they were doing this for years. So what? The Panthers did steroids before their Super Bowl with the Patriots. Are they dirty cheaters too? Everyone cheats. It is just to what degree. No one's hands are clean.

Their success this year basically dismisses that notion that those teams were only successful because of cheating.

I would love to follow the "Patriots are dirty cheaters" drumbeat. But I can't. Not logically at least. Not when Saint Jimmy tells me otherwise. So until then, the chickens can cluck and all the exposes in the world won't change that.

That's all find and dandy, Alexander...now, explain to me why they continued to cheat AFTER A LETTER WAS SENT?

And when I heard Jimmy say that on TV, at least to me, he just sounded like he just wanted to brush it aside and NOT REALLY talk about the ramifications of the disrespect that the Patriots* showed the NFL. So "god jimmy's" statement does not impress me.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Between this and the baseball steroid stuff, you've got to wonder why these guys don't have anything better to do.

Imagine the free time the must have without a war and declining economy.

Yep, they're pretty much worthless, and they vote to give themselves a raise everytime they get a chance to, as if they're worth it, and as if they really work hard for the american citizens!

And i'm talking about both the elephants and the donkeys!

 

[peplaw06]

Above all when someone can provide evidence that they truly benefitted, then I could find myself getting excited about this recent "news".

We'll never know what the evidence could have shown. Unless someone else still has copies of what was destroyed.

Their success this year basically dismisses that notion that those teams were only successful because of cheating.

No it doesn't. Different teams, different opponents.

 

[AbeBeta]

Yep, they're pretty much worthless, and they vote to give themselves a raise everytime they get a chance to, as if they're worth it, and as if they really work hard for the american citizens!

And i'm talking about both the elephants and the donkeys!

actually, the raises are fine -- unless they keep raising their salaries then it becomes the case that only the super rich can serve in those positions.

 

[J-DOG]

The Patriots cheating reminds me of the Barry Bonds steriods saga in baseball.
Lots of guys took steriods in baseball. I think people are suddenly ready to admit that. But who has gained the most notariety and fame from using steriods??? Barry Bonds.
Bonds also was on the cutting edge in finding ways to get steriods into his system by using the latest and greatest steriods thru Balco.
So I think you can make an analogy that the Pats are the football equivalent of what Bonds is to baseball.
Who would have gained the most by cheating????
Who has been alleged to have taped the opposing teams walk-through in the Super Bowl and the guy mixes in with the rest of the regular press core to get out of the stadium?
So when I say that the Pats have taken cheating to another level I do not think you can just blow that off and dismiss it.
A great baseball player who is on the cutting edge of cheating can dominate and set records that may never be touched-Barry Bonds.
Who is to say that the Pats are not the equivalent of that in football?

 

[dogunwo]

Hoffa?
Bruce Li?
Elvis?
Amelia Eerhart?

Doppleganger?
Bigfoot?
Loch Ness Monster?
Lost City of Atlantis?
The Bermuda Triangle?

 

[Vintage]

So, do we put asterisk next to our 3 Super Bowls in the 90's? I mean, Jimmy admitted cheating.....we don't know when he actually stopped. He could have continued it. And we actually know we were cheating, and you know, once a cheater always a cheater type logic.....

 

[Jarv]

The truth is already out. They cheated. Just like everyone else does.

Sorry, I take Coach Johnson's sentiments more to heart than a bunch of jealous fans:

</H3>
So what do you have here? A team that kept on doing what everyone else did as a standard practice and took it an extra step. It is like debating the difference between voluntary manslaughter and murder. Intent is still a factor, so all are in essence guilty.

Above all when someone can provide evidence that they truly benefitted, then I could find myself getting excited about this recent "news". I thought it was already established they were doing this for years. So what? The Panthers did steroids before their Super Bowl with the Patriots. Are they dirty cheaters too? Everyone cheats. It is just to what degree. No one's hands are clean.

Their success this year basically dismisses that notion that those teams were only successful because of cheating.

I would love to follow the "Patriots are dirty cheaters" drumbeat. But I can't. Not logically at least. Not when Saint Jimmy tells me otherwise. So until then, the chickens can cluck and all the exposes in the world won't change that.

They are cheaters, its already been proven so your argument is null and void. A theif can't say I'm inocent because others have done it.

Sounds like your thesis is who cares because others have done it in the past, sorry that doesn't fly here. Anyone who is or has done it should bear the consequences.

 

[5Stars]

So, do we put asterisk next to our 3 Super Bowls in the 90's? I mean, Jimmy admitted cheating.....we don't know when he actually stopped. He could have continued it. And we actually know we were cheating, and you know, once a cheater always a cheater type logic.....

If you want to put the asterisk by them and it makes you giddy all over, then have at it!

 

[Alexander]

They were predicted by most as the Super Bowl winner before this scandal came out.

And then they post a perfect regular season and are poised to go 19-0, evidently to "remove all doubt," and crown them the best team ever. Sorry, it's not that easy with me. A little too convenient that every close game they've been in this year they've been the benefactor of some suspect calls, or non-calls.

More black helicopters, however.

So in this theory, the NFL was concerned about the cover being blown off so they engineered a perfect season and everyone else is along for the ride?

Again, I can't logically take that next step.

 

[Alexander]

If you want to put the asterisk by them and it makes you giddy all over, then have at it!

I think what he's saying is that there is a little bit of hypocrisy involved here. Our laundry is dirty as well.

 

[Jarv]

More black helicopters, however.

So in this theory, the NFL was concerned about the cover being blown off so they engineered a perfect season and everyone else is along for the ride?

Again, I can't logically take that next step.

Do you think destroying the evidense was a cover up or common practice, that is one thing I just don't understand and I expect them to explain why they did that.

I'm not just questioning the Patriots but the NFL front office and why they quickly destroyed the evidence.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

actually, the raises are fine -- unless they keep raising their salaries then it becomes the case that only the super rich can serve in those positions.

They're all super rich to me, and they aren't worth the salaries they do get IMO. Really most of what they do IMO is look for ways to get government bigger and choke out our civil liberties more and more, little by little each day. Like I said, that's just what I think.

 

[Alexander]

They are cheaters, its already been proven so your argument is null and void. A theif can't say I'm inocent because others have done it.

My argument isn't that they are innocent. Find where I said they were, please.

Sounds like your thesis is who cares because others have done it in the past, sorry that doesn't fly here. Anyone who is or has done it should bear the consequences.

Why doesn't that "fly here"? If you believe there should be consistency, put an asterisk by our names in the 1990s. We cheated as well.

Just because we weren't as persistent doesn't make us any less wrong.

 

[theogt]

So, do we put asterisk next to our 3 Super Bowls in the 90's? I mean, Jimmy admitted cheating.....we don't know when he actually stopped. He could have continued it. And we actually know we were cheating, and you know, once a cheater always a cheater type logic.....

Wasn't it the case that what Jimmy admitted to wasn't against the rules at the time?