Four CFP teams announced

[atlantacowboy]

Wow, college football has made an inequitable decision. They've never done that before. The whole sport has always been based on opinions and pressure from those with money trying to make more money. This isn't the first and won't be the last even when they go to a 12 team playoff. There was always going to be a team left out. That doesn't make it fraudulent no matter how many times a person types that in this thread. FSU, based on opinion, which has always been the procedure, was deemed to be not as good as the four teams chosen. That could be the wrong decision, but it is the decision. There is nothing factual that says FSU(or Georgia or Ohio St) is better than the 4 teams chosen. There is nothing factual that makes the four teams chosen as being absolutely worthy. Just opinions. Sucks, but this has happened many times in college football.

No. Alabama just beat UGA on the field convincingly. So, we CAN say that at this moment in time Alabama is better than UGA. Michigan just beat OSU 2 weeks ago. That’s about as factual as it gets.

 

[nathanlt]

So this a moral debate. How about Liberty University. They are also undefeated. Should they go ahead of Texas?

Conference USA didn't play against the ACC
Conference USA lost against the SEC 1 - 4
Conference USA lost against the BIG 12 0 - 2
So, I say that Lilberty isn't from a stronger conference... say the way the ACC is a stronger conference overall than the SEC, 6 - 4

 

[big dog cowboy]

Anyone but me notice that no one can defend this year's selection by looking exclusively at this year...?

FSU lost their starting QB this year. They aren't one of the best 4 teams in the country without him. All I need to know. What happened in the past doesn't matter.

 

[joseephuss]

No. Alabama just beat UGA on the field convincingly. So, we CAN say that at this moment in time Alabama is better than UGA. Michigan just beat OSU 2 weeks ago. That’s about as factual as it gets.

Sure, but it doesn't mean Georgia isn't better than Michigan or Washington or that OSU isn't better than Washington or Texas. It is a strong opinion and an opinion that I agree with that Alabama and Michigan are worthy, but it isn't factual. I agree it is about as close as you can get to being factual, but it is still an opinion. I'm fine with the four teams chosen. It wouldn't have bothered me if FSU would have been chosen instead of one of the four.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Conference USA didn't play against the ACC
Conference USA lost against the SEC 1 - 4
Conference USA lost against the BIG 12 0 - 2
So, I say that Lilberty isn't from a stronger conference... say the way the ACC is a stronger conference overall than the SEC, 6 - 4

Sure , but 7-5 Kentucky beat Louisville the ACC runner up, and they had a much easier time of it than FSU………. A game in which FSU amassed a grand total of 55 yards passing. Kentucky put up 41 points on Louisville the previous week. I think that is more relevant than what happens week 1 of the season. Call me crazy.

OSU was in a similar spot as FSU a few years ago. They had lost their starting QB and went into the big 10 title game with an unknown backup named Cardale Jones. They knew they needed to show the voters that they were still a great team, just like FSU on Saturday. But OSU beat Wisconsin 59-0 with their backup. That’s a lot different than 55 yards passing in a punt fest.

 

[nathanlt]

Sure , but 7-5 Kentucky beat Louisville the ACC runner up, and they had a much easier time of it than FSU………. A game in which FSU amassed a grand total of 55 yards passing. Kentucky put up 41 points on Louisville the previous week. I think that is more relevant than what happens week 1 of the season. Call me crazy.

OSU was in a similar spot as FSU a few years ago. They had lost their starting QB and went into the big 10 title game with an unknown backup named Cardale Jones. They knew they needed to show the voters that they were still a great team, just like FSU on Saturday. But OSU beat Wisconsin 59-0 with their backup. That’s a lot different than 55 yards passing in a punt fest.

And yet, the result is still a win, and an undefeated FSU. Stronger conference than the SEC... Bama didn't lose their starting QB, but still lost one game, and nearly 2 more (Arkansas and Auburn) Bama isn't even worthy of #5. SEC did not earn it this year, they just have brainwashed people looking at past years.

Injuries can happen in practice too. Will any of the current 4 QB's getting injured force FSU back into the playoff? Injuries need to be removed from any consideration in CFP. It's just stupid, and puts the CFP legally liable for safeguarding the 4 QB's mentioned. Completely irresponsible.

IF the CFP had any honor, they'd reconvene and put FSU into their rightful spot, #3. But that doesn't align with max profit, so.... steal from FSU is their chosen path.

 

[Robbieac]

Bama isn't even worthy of #5. SEC did not earn it this year, they just have brainwashed people looking at past years.

IF the CFP had any honor, they'd reconvene and put FSU into their rightful spot, #3. But that doesn't align with max profit, so.... steal from FSU is their chosen path.

For the record, I despise Alabama, Georgia, and Texas.

I am honestly a neutral party in this.

But Alabama beat Georgia who was the #1 team in the country. They earned their spot, unfortunately. That’s the truth from a neutral person.

For your sake, I truly hope that FSU doesn’t get curb stomped by Georgia. If they do, you will look beyond silly with some of your previous statements…..

“FSU will beat anyone they play”.
“FSU is a powerhouse”.

Time will tell…

 

[atlantacowboy]

And yet, the result is still a win, and an undefeated FSU. Stronger conference than the SEC... Bama didn't lose their starting QB, but still lost one game, and nearly 2 more (Arkansas and Auburn) Bama isn't even worthy of #5. SEC did not earn it this year, they just have brainwashed people looking at past years.

Injuries can happen in practice too. Will any of the current 4 QB's getting injured force FSU back into the playoff? Injuries need to be removed from any consideration in CFP. It's just stupid, and puts the CFP legally liable for safeguarding the 4 QB's mentioned. Completely irresponsible.

IF the CFP had any honor, they'd reconvene and put FSU into their rightful spot, #3. But that doesn't align with max profit, so.... steal from FSU is their chosen path.

There is no process in place to reshuffle the CFP teams if a QB goes down. But I’m ok with it. We don’t know how bad the backups are on those teams while we do know that FSUs backups suck. There is no legal liability here. That’s absurd.

Pretty sure UGA is about to put FSU in there “rightful spot”. Lol

 

[atlantacowboy]

And yet, the result is still a win, and an undefeated FSU. Stronger conference than the SEC... Bama didn't lose their starting QB, but still lost one game, and nearly 2 more (Arkansas and Auburn) Bama isn't even worthy of #5. SEC did not earn it this year, they just have brainwashed people looking at past years.

Injuries can happen in practice too. Will any of the current 4 QB's getting injured force FSU back into the playoff? Injuries need to be removed from any consideration in CFP. It's just stupid, and puts the CFP legally liable for safeguarding the 4 QB's mentioned. Completely irresponsible.

IF the CFP had any honor, they'd reconvene and put FSU into their rightful spot, #3. But that doesn't align with max profit, so.... steal from FSU is their chosen path.

You realize you might be the only person in the entire country that believes the ACC is a stronger football conference. lol. Thanks for the comedic relief.

 

[nathanlt]

You realize you might be the only person in the entire country that believes the ACC is a stronger football conference. lol. Thanks for the comedic relief.

In 2023, when it comes to victories, the ACC outplayed the SEC. The SEC is inferior to the ACC for the first time in many years. FACT, not my personal opinion.

On the other hand, according to opinion, "eye test", speculation.... SEC might be better than the ACC. If games matter, the SEC is the weaker conference in 2023. FACT.

 

[atlantacowboy]

In 2023, when it comes to victories, the ACC outplayed the SEC. The SEC is inferior to the ACC for the first time in many years. FACT, not my personal opinion.

On the other hand, according to opinion, "eye test", speculation.... SEC might be better than the ACC. If games matter, the SEC is the weaker conference in 2023. FACT.

6-4 with most all those wins coming early in the season hardly dethrones the SEC. Kentucky beat the ACC runner up 2 weeks ago.

 

[joseephuss]

It is a fact that in the 10 games in which ACC teams played against SEC teams, the ACC won 6 games and lost 4. It is merely an opinion that this makes the SEC a weaker conference.

 

[nathanlt]

It is a fact that in the 10 games in which ACC teams played against SEC teams, the ACC won 6 games and lost 4. It is merely an opinion that this makes the SEC a weaker conference.

You state the fact, then classify the obvious conclusion as an opinion. Logic, anyone? They don't teach logic anymore... except for the math classes I teach, and hopefully many more around the country. We need some refreshers on inverse, converse, contrapositive statements, and truth tables.

 

[Ghost12]

The job of the CFP is to pick the 4 best teams. Currently , FSU is a 14 point dog to UGA.

Point being? Washington was a 12 point underdog to Oregon. Alabama was also a touchdown underdog to Georgia.

 

[Ghost12]

Fact #1: FSU was a top team for most of the season

Fact #2: FSU no longer has a QB

Fact #3: The purpose of the CFP is to pick the 4 best teams at the end of the season

Fact #4: FSU is no longer one of the 4 best teams since they no longer have a QB

FACTS!

FACT: Your 4th "fact" is nothing but prognostication.

FACTS!

 

[Ghost12]

So this a moral debate. How about Liberty University. They are also undefeated. Should they go ahead of Texas?

Is Liberty University a power 5 school? How did their conference do against the SEC this year?

 

[Ghost12]

Sure , but 7-5 Kentucky beat Louisville the ACC runner up, and they had a much easier time of it than FSU……….

Do you actually watch the games you talk about? I ignored the silliness of you saying "Alabama beat Georgia convincingly" but now saying Kentucky "had a much easier time (beating Louisville) than FSU" is just announcing your ignorance to the world. Kentucky won on a TD scored with 1 minute to go, and even then Louisville drove into Kentucky territory with a chance to tie the game. It was an exciting game but it most certainly wsa not an "easy win" for Kentucky.

A game in which FSU amassed a grand total of 55 yards passing. Kentucky put up 41 points on Louisville the previous week. I think that is more relevant than what happens week 1 of the season. Call me crazy.

OSU was in a similar spot as FSU a few years ago. They had lost their starting QB and went into the big 10 title game with an unknown backup named Cardale Jones. They knew they needed to show the voters that they were still a great team, just like FSU on Saturday. But OSU beat Wisconsin 59-0 with their backup. That’s a lot different than 55 yards passing in a punt fest.

There it is again... constant references to things that happened years ago as if they impact what happened this year.... I'll put you in the category of people who think the Patriots should take the Jaguars spot in the NFL playoffs this year....

 

[Ghost12]

6-4 with most all those wins coming early in the season hardly dethrones the SEC. Kentucky beat the ACC runner up 2 weeks ago.

This is another thing I have noticed about the SEC apologists.... they are constantly referring back to things which happened years ago but, at the same time, we are supposed to ignore anything that happened in September of this season.

The solid majority of OOC games take place early in the season so it is weaksauce to disregard the SEC's OOC record simply because most of the games took place in September.

 

[joseephuss]

You state the fact, then classify the obvious conclusion as an opinion. Logic, anyone? They don't teach logic anymore... except for the math classes I teach, and hopefully many more around the country. We need some refreshers on inverse, converse, contrapositive statements, and truth tables.

That is because it is not an obvious conclusion. It is just 10 games played between a few teams from each conference. There isn't enough there to draw a definite factual conclusion. It is only an opinion. And out of those 10 games, there is just one single game difference. It isn't as if it was 10 wins and 0 losses for the ACC. That doesn't mean the SEC is weaker. It just means they lost 6 games out of 10 matchups. There is way too much variability to draw any logical conclusions.

 

[atlantacowboy]

This is another thing I have noticed about the SEC apologists.... they are constantly referring back to things which happened years ago but, at the same time, we are supposed to ignore anything that happened in September of this season.

The solid majority of OOC games take place early in the season so it is weaksauce to disregard the SEC's OOC record simply because most of the games took place in September.

Well, you choose to ignore things that happened a week ego. I can’t ignore results from September ?

Don’t need to apologize for the best conference in college. They only win it every year.