Franchise Amounts (bad news for Flo)

[AbeBeta]

There were 12 offensive linemen who had a cap hit of at least $6 million this past year. All but 4 were over 30. Of the 4 that weren't 3 were 29 years old.

Yes, but there is a big difference between a cap hit like that during one of the final years of a contract after several years of lower cap numbers and a cap hit like that for what would amount to be a one year deal

 

[theogt]

Yes, but there is a big difference between a cap hit like that during one of the final years of a contract after several years of lower cap numbers and a cap hit like that for what would amount to be a one year deal

I don't get the difference at all.

 

[CF74]

That is the kind of money you would give to a 33 year old LT. IF he were one of the best in the game.

Flo is good and has played well but he just doesn't meet that bar.

Unless he wore a hearing aide

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't get the difference at all.

Let's say Flo does well after franchising and then we want him back -- that means we take either another franchise tag or a big contract in which we end up with another year that has a huge cap number -- That's two years with huge cap numbers vs. one. The guys who usually have those huge cap #s are often those who performed well enough to stay in their current deals as well rather than getting cut at the "break point" of the deal (i.e., the point where cut vs. keep is a wash).

 

[theogt]

Let's say Flo does well after franchising and then we want him back -- that means we take either another franchise tag or a big contract in which we end up with another year that has a huge cap number -- That's two years with huge cap numbers vs. one. The guys who usually have those huge cap #s are often those who performed well enough to stay in their current deals as well rather than getting cut at the "break point" of the deal (i.e., the point where cut vs. keep is a wash).

I think if we franchise, there's no chance we'd do it in '09. We'd only franchise him if we wanted to give Free another year to develop or weren't considering drafting an LT in the first.

If we want him around in '09, we'd just give him the 3-4 year contract now.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Flo is as good as gone. Good teams find a way to replace overpriced vets
with younger cheaper replacements.. ie Pittsburg, New England, Indy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is absolutely zero chance were paying Adams $7 mil per season.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

There is absolutely zero chance were paying Adams $7 mil per season.

I agree with you Fuzzy.


Hope that gets me a hug.

 

[theogt]

There is absolutely zero chance were paying Adams $7 mil per season.

That's what we paid him in both 2006 and 2007.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

That's what we paid him in both 2006 and 2007.

That's not 2008 Theogt.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Cutting Roy as a June 1st cut would create about $3m in cap room.

And will cost us $4.4 mil in dead money in 2009.


A big no thanks.

 

[theogt]

That's not 2008 Theogt.

But no one had a problem with it then. That's a big jump from "no problem" to "absolutely zero chance" of it happening in just a couple of months. I don't know if we'll re-sign him or franchise him or not, but anyone that says there's no chance shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

But no one had a problem with it then. That's a big jump from "no problem" to "absolutely zero chance" of it happening in just a couple of months. I don't know if we'll re-sign him or franchise him or not, but anyone that says there's no chance shouldn't be taken seriously.

Oh I agree if you equate "no chance" to "zero chance," to which of course there is some chance but I think the chance is pretty small.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There were 12 offensive linemen who had a cap hit of at least $6 million this past year. All but 4 were over 30. Of the 4 that weren't 3 were 29 years old.

Hold old were they when they signed there deals? Its when they sign not when you decide to take your snapshot.

 

[theogt]

Hold old were they when they signed there deals? Its when they sign not when you decide to take your snapshot.

Did they not know that they'd be that age when the '07 season of their contract came up?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Did they not know that they'd be that age when the '07 season of their contract came up?

Are you just trying to be dumb? Its one thing if you sign someone for years 28-32 for $7mil per thats smart business and if you sign them like that for 33-36 its another.

Just like I was interested in your precedent that made sense for a first and a third for a WR on the IR how about a precedent for signing a 33 year old OT to a $7 mil deal.

 

[theogt]

ARe you just trying to be dumb? Its one thing if you sign someone for years 28-32 for $7mil per thats smart business and if you sign them like that for 33-36 its another.

Just like I was interested in your precedent that made sense for a first and a third for a WR on the IR how about a precedent for signing a 33 year old OT to a $7 mil deal.

No, it was your statement. You were being that dumb.

There's actually substantially less risk to signing a healthy pro bowl 33 year old OT to a 1 year deal for $7 million than there is to signing a healthy pro bowl 28 year old OT to a 5 year deal with the final 2 years being $7 million.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

No, it was your statement. You were being that dumb.

There's actually substantially less risk to signing a healthy pro bowl 33 year old OT to a 1 year deal for $7 million than there is to signing a healthy pro bowl 28 year old OT to a 5 year deal with the final 2 years being $7 million.

There might be less risk, but...


When you only have $16 mil in cap space-- and...

You have approx $8 mil that will be tied up in Barber/Canty and the rookies...

You haven't resigned Hamlin, which will probably cause a cap hit of about $3 mil.

Nor have you resigned the bullet magnet or a #2 wide receiver or a nickel corner.

On top of that you have a pro-bowl corner who needs to have his contract extended.

Giving Flo a one-year $7 mil contract isn't financially good for the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, it was your statement. You were being that dumb.

There's actually substantially less risk to signing a 33 year old OT to a 1 year deal for $7 million than there is to signing a 30 year old OT to a 5 year deal with the final 2 years being $7 million.

What does your hypothetical have to do with anything?

It substantially less risk to sign a OT to a one year deal than it is to play with matches in a nonventilated room full of kerosene. See i can make worthless comparisons too.

Again do you have any precedent to a 33 year old OT getting a new deal of any length that garners $7 mil per?

Are you even aware that the FA market for OT is rich with guys like Starks and Gross out there?

Its not going to happen. It makes about as much sense as a first and a third for RW. I bet you still wont admit that you were so way off on that even after the Lions started off asking for a second.

 

[theogt]

When you only have $16 mil in cap space-- and...

We may have more than that if Glenn and Ferguson are cut.

You have approx $8 mil that will be tied up in Barber/Canty and the rookies...

I doubt very seriously we re-sign them to longterm contracts until next year. There's really no reason to with either. And if we just tender them appropriately they'll only count a few million.

Nor have you resigned the bullet magnet or a #2 wide receiver or a nickel corner.

The bullet magnet can go. The #2 WR and nickel corner can come in the first round and still be extremely cheap.

On top of that you have a pro-bowl corner who needs to have his contract extended.

Franchising Flozell will have absolutely zero effect on Newman's contract.

Giving Flo a one-year $7 mil contract isn't financially good for the Dallas Cowboys.

I just don't see how that is the case. We can franchise Flozell, re-sign Hamlin, pay our entire draft class and tender Barber and Canty for under $16 million.