Franchise Amounts (bad news for Flo)

[AbeBeta]

I completely disagree. If you can get the player to agree to a six-year deal, you absolutely do it. That minimizes the bonus proration in the current year and maximizes your cap room. All you have to do is cut them in the fourth year, and the only difference between that and the three-year deal is that you helped your salary cap.

There is another BIG difference there. Perception.

You inflate the value of the deal and the press runs with stories about how huge a deal it was and how the player got a mega-contract and how could the team give so much money to a player who is 30+ years old.

Although many folks understand that those signing big deals may never see the final years, agents really want to have that press as lots of the college kids they are recruiting (and their parents) are likely not totally wise to that. Sign with me - look at the cash I just got this guy.

 

[jterrell]

If you can give Flo 7.5 for one year that is a good deal for the Dallas Cowboys.

A bad deal is one that gives him 30 mil for 4 years with a lot of upfront money.
Let's be very, very clear. The Dallas Cowboys will not be better off at LT with anyone else next year.

At the same time it is likely in 2 or 3 years we would be better off.
The problem is we want to win a SB next year.

 

[jterrell]

Then we choose to disagree then.


From a business perspective I don't like seeing dead money.

It all depends on the actual money given to the player.

IMHO a team should only take on real dead money when they are winning Super Bowls.

Yes, doing so when you are the Commanders and rebuilding, retooling is insane.

But if the money is the same then that is where Adam is correct. If the bonus and early yearlies don't change then a longer deal is a good deal for the team.
But what agent takes that deal? They'll want a little something for their troubles... almost always more upfront money.

 

[cowboyz]

If you can give Flo 7.5 for one year that is a good deal for the Dallas Cowboys.

A bad deal is one that gives him 30 mil for 4 years with a lot of upfront money.
Let's be very, very clear. The Dallas Cowboys will not be better off at LT with anyone else next year.

At the same time it is likely in 2 or 3 years we would be better off.
The problem is we want to win a SB next year.

exactamundo

 

[AdamJT13]

Then we choose to disagree then.

From a business perspective I don't like seeing dead money.

The only bad dead money is the kind you weren't expecting or didn't want -- from players who don't live up to expectations and therefore are released, or from players who suffer an injury and have to retire or be released.

If your dead money is the result of signing a player to a longer contract in order to prorate the money out further, that's nothing but smart business. Not only do you save more cap room for the present -- which is the most important thing to think about -- you're also minimizing the effect of the bonus on the cap because the cap increases each season. Every additional year you can prorate money out, the same amount becomes a smaller and smaller percentage of your salary cap.

I'll trade cap room next season for cap room this season every single time, because you need cap room THIS season to acquire players. You worry about next year next year. And if you don't end up using that additional cap room this year, you can push it into next year anyway.

 

[AdamJT13]

If you can give Flo 7.5 for one year that is a good deal for the Dallas Cowboys.

A bad deal is one that gives him 30 mil for 4 years with a lot of upfront money.

That's not necessarily true. If he's going to receive $7.5 million this season either way, it's much better for us to structure that in a four-year, $30 million deal. If he'd accept a four-year, $30 million deal with a $6.5 million signing bonus and $1 million base salary (for a total of $7.5 million that he'd get), that's FAR more advantageous for us than a one-year deal for $7.5 million.

 

[LatinMind]

Thats SOP in the NFL. It seems that the 5 year contract is usually a 3 year contract. You back load the contract enough that letting the player see the last year or two of the contract just doesn't make reasonable fiscal sense.

I wouldn't be too surprised to see us offer Hamlin something very similar to the Roy Williams contract.

If you think your a superbowl level team I don't think you necessarily want to go into the season with a massive question mark at left tackle. Thats the big question. Are we willing to stake our season next year on McQuistan, Columbo, and Free amounting to two good OTs.

i believe the colts went into this past season with a question mark right after winning the superbowl. tony ugoh was supposed to struggle. but behold he did very well.

at some point u have to stop keeping old players around and start playing the guys you draft to replace them. greg ellis is hitting that mark, flo is at that mark. at some point u just have to move on with the future. by the way, its not like flo was operating on a island, that was usually marc colombos task. flo was usually babysat by fasano, or a rb chipping the de. im more impressed with colombos improvement on his agility then anything flo has shown.

 

[burmafrd]

I thought the 20% rule impacted the Hotel and he would get $9 mil if franchised?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I believe he will sign with us for a decent amount.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I thought the 20% rule impacted the Hotel and he would get $9 mil if franchised?

You are correct.

The actual amount is $9 mil, and not $7.5

 

[Woods]

You are correct.

The actual amount is $9 mil, and not $7.5

As much as I would like Flo to re-sign, I would be modestly surprised if we franchised Flo with a $9mm cap hit.

I'm sure we could do it, but I don't see JJ using over 50% of the available cap money on one player, unless of course, they were working on a new contract and just needed more time to seal the deal.

 

[conner01]

if flo stays with the cowboys it will be because we signed him to a deal not franchised him. the franchise amount is way to high and flo if not dumb enough to think we will pay him 9 mil for one year.
to me it all comes down to what the staff thinks about free. he looked pretty good in camp last year to me but we don't see practice so we really don't know about him. if the staff thinks he's ready then you let flo walk, if they don't think he's ready then you sign flo. and it won't be a 3 yr deal. it will be probably a 5 yr deal that he won't play out but will spread the cap so he is cheaper now and you take a hit in 2 or 3 yrs.