Franchise Amounts (bad news for Flo)

[theogt]

What does your hypothetical have to do with anything?

It substantially less risk to sign a OT to a one year deal than it is to play with matches in a nonventilated room full of kerosene. See i can make worthless comparisons too.

Again do you have any precedent to a 33 year old OT getting a new deal of any length that garners $7 mil per?

Are you even aware that the FA market for OT is rich with guys like Starks and Gross out there?

Its not going to happen. It makes about as much sense as a first and a third for RW. I bet you still wont admit that you were so way off on that even after the Lions started off asking for a second.

What the hell does having precedent have to do with it? And who's talking about signing him to a longterm deal? This is a thread about him being franchised. Check out the thread title dip****.

It's not going to happen? LOL. You have absolutely no idea whether it'll happen or not.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually the oldest player i can think of who was franchised was Abraham who was 29 when they franchised him.

But hey theo thinks we might franchise a 33 year old.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What the hell does having precedent have to do with it? And who's talking about signing him to a longterm deal? This is a thread about him being franchised. Check out the thread title dip****.

It's not going to happen? LOL. You have absolutely no idea whether it'll happen or not.

Im talking about that too. Thus I said of ANY LENGTH. It was to give you more latitude in trying to find a comparison.

Like I said the idea is so absurd like your RW trade proposal that there is zero chance of it happening.

ITS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE.

But hey Jones will be the first to do what is so obviously a stupid move? Give me a break.

 

[theogt]

Actually the oldest player i can think of who was franchised was Abraham who was 29 when they franchised him.

But hey theo thinks we might franchise a 33 year old.

Well, since it hasn't happened before, I guess it's not possible. That's sound logic.

 

[theogt]

Im talking about that too. Thus I said of ANY LENGTH. It was to give you more latitude in trying to find a comparison.

Like I said the idea is so absurd like your RW trade proposal that there is zero chance of it happening.

ITS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE.

But hey Jones will be the first to do what is so obviously a stupid move? Give me a break.

This obsession with "precedent" is hilarious. And remarkably stupid.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We may have more than that if Glenn and Ferguson are cut.

I doubt very seriously we re-sign them to longterm contracts until next year. There's really no reason to with either. And if we just tender them appropriately they'll only count a few million.

The bullet magnet can go. The #2 WR and nickel corner can come in the first round and still be extremely cheap.

Franchising Flozell will have absolutely zero effect on Newman's contract.

I just don't see how that is the case. We can franchise Flozell, re-sign Hamlin, pay our entire draft class and tender Barber and Canty for under $16 million.

And be right up against the cap in the process. Theo when was the last time we went into the season with less than $5 mil in space?

Dear god are you even familiar with what the tackle market looks like? Flo is like the thrird or 4th best guy out there. But hey yout hink we might franchise him....

 

[MichaelWinicki]

We may have more than that if Glenn and Ferguson are cut.

We may but until they're cut-- their cap implications shouldn't be counted.

I doubt very seriously we re-sign them to longterm contracts until next year. There's really no reason to with either. And if we just tender them appropriately they'll only count a few million.

The numbers I gave DID reflect tendered offers. Canty and Barber will cost about $4 mil. The rookies will cost about $4 mil.

Franchising Flozell will have absolutely zero effect on Newman's contract.

If there isn't extra money, i.e. cap space available we won't be able to extend Newman very easily.

I just don't see how that is the case. We can franchise Flozell, re-sign Hamlin, pay our entire draft class and tender Barber and Canty for under $16 million

Don't just type a glib statement Theogt. Show us with real numbers how this would work.

 

[theogt]

And be right up against the cap in the process.

Is there some benefit to being 7 million under, while having inexperienced 4th or 7th round draft picks manning the LT position vs. having a pro bowl LT?

Theo when was the last time we went into the season with less than $5 mil in space?

Oh god, here we go with precedent. For the love of god, just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it won't or couldn't happen.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This obsession with "precedent" is hilarious. And remarkably stupid.

Really where do you think the Lions got the idea for asking for a second round pick? Do you think they got it from 'the theo school of pulling feces out of your backside' or from the precedent that was set by a trade earlier in the league?

Do you think that the Cowboys are going to look at the Runyan deal in almost identical circumtances from two years ago or do you think theyre going to think its a good idea to spend $7 million?

How does the NFL get the salaries for the draft picks? What is it the agents negotiate off of? Ever heard of draftees saying they wont sign for less than what the equivalent pick got the year before?

Your talking about a league that operates on the basis of precedents.

Perhaps if you took heed of that fact you wouldnt look quite as foolish in your forecasting.

 

[theogt]

Don't just type a glib statement Theogt. Show us with real numbers how this would work.

It'd probably be around $17 million to do it all, but cutting Glenn would give us plenty of room.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Is there some benefit to being 7 million under, while having inexperienced 4th or 7th round draft picks manning the LT position vs. having a pro bowl LT?

Younger players replace older probowlers all the time Theogt. It's called transitioning.

 

[theogt]

Really where do you think the Lions got the idea for asking for a second round pick? Do you think they got it from 'the theo school of pulling feces out of your backside' or from the precedent that was set by a trade earlier in the league?

We have no idea whether they've asked for anything.

Do you think that the Cowboys are going to look at the Runyan deal in almost identical circumtances from two years ago or do you think theyre going to think its a good idea to spend $7 million?

No, I don't think they will.

How does the NFL get the salaries for the draft picks? What is it the agents negotiate off of? Ever heard of draftees saying they wont sign for less than what the equivalent pick got the year before?

It's called a rookie cap. Teams are given a certain amount to spend on rookies.

Perhaps if you took heed of that fact you wouldnt look quite as foolish in your forecasting.

Foolish? You come out looking like an idiot in nearly every thread.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It'd probably be around $17 million to do it all, but cutting Glenn would give us plenty of room.

Sorry Theogt.


Not detailed enough for me.


I don't think $17 mil will do it either.

 

[theogt]

Younger players replace older probowlers all the time Theogt. It's called transitioning.

You don't just replace players for the sake of replacing them.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Is there some benefit to being 7 million under, while having inexperienced 4th or 7th round draft picks manning the LT position vs. having a pro bowl LT?

Oh god, here we go with precedent. For the love of god, just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it won't or couldn't happen.

If there was some reasoning for it that accounted for the cap space that would be eaten up, the obvious moves that the club took last offseason, what the market actually looks like and the other issues then yes it 'might happen' but there is a definite reason why no NFL club has ever franchised anyone over the age of 30 much less 33.

 

[theogt]

Sorry Theogt.


Not detailed enough for me.


I don't think $17 mil will do it either.

About $3.5 for rookies. About $3.5 for the tenders. About $7 for Flozell. And about $2-3 for Hamlin.

That' $16-17.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You don't just replace players for the sake of replacing them.

What about the sake of replacing them because they're old and expensive?

 

[theogt]

What about the sake of replacing them because they're old and expensive?

Depends on how good their replacements are. And if we can afford to keep the older player, which we can.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

About $3.5 for rookies. About $3.5 for the tenders. About $7 for Flozell. And about $2-3 for Hamlin.

That' $16-17.

I think you're low on your tenders for rookies and the Canty/Barber contracts.

No way will Hamlin have a cap hit of less than $3 mil.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Depends on how good their replacements are. And if we can afford to keep the older player, which we can.

I trust the Cowboy's coaches and front office to determine how good the replacements are.

If Dallas doesn't franchise Adams, nor do they sign him to a long-term deal, then I think we know what the answer is and I can live with that very nicely.