From Spygate to Deflategate

[DallasEast]

Dang it. There are some strong Game Of Thrones fans on this thread. I was hinting at the beheading/Red Wedding assassination angle <inserts evil laugh>.

 

[burmafrd]

Dang it. There are some strong Game Of Thrones fans on this thread. I was hinting at the beheading/Red Wedding assassination angle <inserts evil laugh>.

most over rated show in the history of TV

except for of course the champion that retired the trophy
Seinfeld

 

[Rogah]

The paranoia that this whole thing engenders is ridiculous. The Colts always sweep the locker room for listening devices. Of course, they haven't ever actually found any but it is hilarious how paranoid they are!

And which is the team that brings their own sports drinks to Gillette because the ones the Patriots provide are too warn??? Seriously can't make this up!!

 

[DallasEast]

most over rated show in the history of TV

except for of course the champion that retired the trophy
Seinfeld

Party pooper. Then again, I'm dropping the show like a hot rock if they ever write Daenerys Targaryen (Emilia Clarke) out of it.

 

[JDSmith]

You know what I hate about all of this? The way the media feels compelled to stick -gate on the end of everything. Was Watergate about water? Adding -gate to the end of a word doesn't make it a scandal, it just makes the author an idiot.

 

[DallasEast]

You know what I hate about all of this? The way the media feels compelled to stick -gate on the end of everything. Was Watergate about water? Adding -gate to the end of a word doesn't make it a scandal, it just makes the author an idiot.

Good point but Belicheck-Lies-Through-His-Teeth and Brady-Is-A-Shyster don't have that bang-for-your-buck sensationalism the media wants.

 

[Jammer]

You know what I hate about all of this? The way the media feels compelled to stick -gate on the end of everything. Was Watergate about water? Adding -gate to the end of a word doesn't make it a scandal, it just makes the author an idiot.

Yeah I know. What did the media name scandals before Watergate? They actually had to come up with creative names.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yeah, and look where it got them.

The Patriots cheated again and now the integrity of the product takes another big hit.

Harris Interactive Polls have asked over the last five years what was the most important thing for NFL fans and the winning answer has been the integrity of the product.

Not ticket prices, not player off the field issues, not concussions. Integrity of the product.

And each owner has played a role in hurting the integrity of the product.

I hate to say it, but this DeflateGate fiasco was deserved.





YR

I agree 100%

 

[erod]

The paranoia that this whole thing engenders is ridiculous. The Colts always sweep the locker room for listening devices. Of course, they haven't ever actually found any but it is hilarious how paranoid they are!

And which is the team that brings their own sports drinks to Gillette because the ones the Patriots provide are too warn??? Seriously can't make this up!!

You can't read that entire story and not be highly alarmed by the depth and multitude of accusations. Way too much smoke for there not to be an A&M bonfire behind it all.

This is starting to look like the OJ trial.

 

[Rogah]

Party pooper. Then again, I'm dropping the show like a hot rock if they ever write Daenerys Targaryen (Emilia Clarke) out of it.

Nobody is safe on that show.

 

[Rogah]

You can't read that entire story and not be highly alarmed by the depth and multitude of accusations. Way too much smoke for there not to be an A&M bonfire behind it all.

Sorry, but beyond the actual Spygate infraction (camera being illegally placed on the sidelines when the same camera would have been legal in the booths up top), all I see is unfounded accusations and ridiculous paranoia.

"Our Gatorade is too warm!!! Cheaters!!!"

 

[erod]

The most damning part of this is the general lack of overall talent of the Patriots versus other teams, and yet their overall winning pattern. Like the article says, it always comes down to a few key plays, and insinuates that the Patriots strangely seem to have the perfect play called on those key plays.

This is going to get bigger and more is probably going to come out.

 

[erod]

Sorry, but beyond the actual Spygate infraction (camera being illegally placed on the sidelines when the same camera would have been legal in the booths up top), all I see is unfounded accusations and ridiculous paranoia.

"Our Gatorade is too warm!!! Cheaters!!!"

What about coaches leaving false play sheets because the Patriots staffers were sneaking into the locker rooms during warm up.

Laugh all you want, but this massive pimple is about to pop.

Forever tainted, all those Super Bowls. Way, way too much smoke here.

 

[erod]

And the irony of all ironies, this story suggests that the most complicit help the Patriots were receiving was from none other than Roger Goodell.

Wow.

 

[Rogah]

What about coaches leaving false play sheets because the Patriots staffers were sneaking into the locker rooms during warm up.

Laugh all you want, but this massive pimple is about to pop.

Forever tainted, all those Super Bowls. Way, way too much smoke here.

Patriots aren't doing anything that everyone else ain't doing - except winning 4 Super Bowls while doing it.

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[Rogah]

This is just the butthurt NFL going to their official propaganda mouthpiece, ESPN, to smear the Patriots in the wake of major courtroom defeat last week. So they bring up years-old, discredited allegations to get all the usual haters all riled up.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Sorry, but beyond the actual Spygate infraction (camera being illegally placed on the sidelines when the same camera would have been legal in the booths up top), all I see is unfounded accusations and ridiculous paranoia.

"Our Gatorade is too warm!!! Cheaters!!!"

Yeah, like the one from former employees of the Patriots where they would go into locker rooms and steal play sheets.

The real point of the investigative article should be that the Patriots LIED throughout the entire process of SpyGate. They lied about not knowing the rules. They lied...repeatedly...about how long this practice was going back (first claimed only the Jets 2007 game, then 'some games in 2006', and later were found to going all the way thru 2000). They lied about it 'only being defensive signals.' And there were other things like Belichick lying about 'not being able to pick Walsh out of a lineup.'

Yet, we are supposed to believe them now.

I'll tend to take the numerous amount of sources that Wickersham uncovered over an organization that have been unequivocally caught lying.

And I really think that the entire taping the Rams walk thru for the Super Bowl didn't actually happen, but in reality they probably did something they should not have done and at the very least was terribly unethical.

The thing that I came away from this article is that the rest of the league's owners helped cover up this scandal by being afraid to take the Patriots to task. They knew SpyGate was pretty bad and did nothing about it because they were so blinded by having a commissioner that was 110% on the owner's side and would gleefully become a sock puppet for the owners during CBA negotiations. Tagliabue wasn't exactly a rogue, but he convinced the owners to sign the previous CBA extenion a couple of years earlier which the owners deeply regretted. Now they have Roger the Sock Puppet in charge and Kraft being part of the TV deal and they just wanted to take that instead of putting the fans first.

If there's a silver lining, at least this has exposed Kraft for being the greedy, lying con artist that he is and now the owners simply don't care to trust him anymore. And that I don't see Goodell surviving much longer. Maybe until his contract runs out, but I think he's gone once that expires. I can't imagine the NFL wanting another boob at the helm like baseball has with Bud Selig.





YR

 

[reddyuta]

Jerry and stephen better hire security and watched these cheaters like a hawk leading upto our game.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

This is just the butthurt NFL going to their official propaganda mouthpiece, ESPN, to smear the Patriots in the wake of major courtroom defeat last week. So they bring up years-old, discredited allegations to get all the usual haters all riled up.

Dude, Roger Goodell comes out looking WORSE from this article.

If he was so butthurt by losing the court case, why would he leak information to make himself look FAR WORSE?

You're grasping at straws which you have a faculty to do.

These are the articles and pieces that ESPN used to do all of the time.

My guess...this is a ratings and Web site grabber. Mention the Patriots and people are going to read. So they sent out Wickersham, one of the better ESPN journalists, and he thoroughly investigated the subject like a good investigative journalist does. And because it was another situation where the Patriots cheated and lied, presumably after the owners were assured that it wouldn't happen again (hey, Kraft did apologize and was 'getting emotional' about it in a meeting with the owners)...there were owners and execs that felt like they were double crossed and now they finally opened up about what happened.

It was a great piece and ESPN did it because they knew it would grab ratings and Web site clicks. Not because the NFL was looking for their propaganda machine to speak for them. That's about the dumbest thing I've heard from Patriots fans like yourself.






YR

 

[Rogah]

Yeah, like the one from former employees of the Patriots where they would go into locker rooms and steal play sheets.

The real point of the investigative article should be that the Patriots LIED throughout the entire process of SpyGate. They lied about not knowing the rules. They lied...repeatedly...about how long this practice was going back (first claimed only the Jets 2007 game, then 'some games in 2006', and later were found to going all the way thru 2000). They lied about it 'only being defensive signals.' And there were other things like Belichick lying about 'not being able to pick Walsh out of a lineup.'

Any talk about lies begins and ends with all the whoppers the NFL has told over the past 7 months.

Yet, as you say, we are supposed to believe them now.