FTF: Chris Carter reacts to Jason Witten returning to the Dallas Cowboys

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It’s mostly leadership. I get that you have no clue about that.
Sorry, Rockport, but this team was not lacking in leadership. What is Witten going to teach them? How to reach a Super Bowl? Oh, wait...Witten never made it past a playoff divisional round just like this current team. What other reason for said "leadership"? This team got to as far as Romo & Witten era teams ever did. There was no leadership problems in the lockerroom, the sidelines or on the field in 2018. So, obviously, it can't be because of a lack of "leadership".
 

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Sorry, Rockport, but this team was not lacking in leadership. What is Witten going to teach them? How to reach a Super Bowl? Oh, wait...Witten never made it past a playoff divisional round just like this current team. What other reason for said "leadership"? This team got to as far as Romo & Witten era teams ever did. There was no leadership problems in the lockerroom, the sidelines or on the field in 2018. So, obviously, it can't be because of a lack of "leadership".
Work ethic is part of leadership. Just because Witten never won a Super Bowl doesn’t mean he doesn’t exude leadership traits in everything he does. Come on man, you’re better than that.
 

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Work ethic is part of leadership. Just because Witten never won a Super Bowl doesn’t mean he doesn’t exude leadership traits in everything he does. Come on man, you’re better than that.
If work ethic is why he was brought back, should have brought him as a coach, not as a player. Save the player spots for the younger, quicker and more athletic players. Only so many player spots and cap space available .
 

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Carter is 100% correct.

...Chris Carter?.....ahhh!...No!...
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Im on the fence about this signing believe I would have liked to have seen us go out and get the best young FA money could buy . That said Witten knows the system has experience with Dak is durable and reliable . No injury or character issues , positive locker room influence , someone Dak has confidence in .

I say let it play out in camp . You have 5 TEs now let the best 3 or 4 stay no reason why Jarwin Swaim Shultz and Rico cant beat out the old man at this point in his career . They are all vets now no excuses . Have to believe we could get more positive production out of Witten even at 37 than we did Rico last year . The Rico experiment is now getting long in the tooth . Think I would rather have Witten
 

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If work ethic is why he was brought back, should have brought him as a coach, not as a player. Save the player spots for the younger, quicker and more athletic players. Only so many player spots and cap space available .
He can still play as he showed his last season. It’s a team. Chemistry. Witten is going to show them how to be an NFL football player. That transcends his deficiencies which is his speed. He can still get open because of his superior route running ability but he can’t get much yards after. Again, it’s all about leadership. Anyone who’s been in a similar situation will understand. You get a group of people working for a common cause and leaders are what carry you over the top.
 

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He can still play as he showed his last season. It’s a team. Chemistry. Witten is going to show them how to be an NFL football player. That transcends his deficiencies which is his speed. He can still get open because of his superior route running ability but he can’t get much yards after. Again, it’s all about leadership. Anyone who’s been in a similar situation will understand. You get a group of people working for a common cause and leaders are what carry you over the top.
Oh, I understand. Just hope Witten is still able to get open and contribute on the field. His blocking had diminished greatly his last 2-3 years, plus his speed is no longer there.
 

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Oh, I understand. Just hope Witten is still able to get open and contribute on the field. His blocking had diminished greatly his last 2-3 years, plus his speed is no longer there.

IMHO he was brought back because of his on field knowledge. He sees things and directs players pre-snap, always had it but age caught up. If reports are true, he will share it with limited snaps. Knowledge and experience is much different than "leadership".

He's had a history of not sharing or teaching, not exactly surprised given the nature of modern NFL players wanting to protect their contract. Now he's probably realized that he is expendable and we have a first year OC that wants to pick is brain. Not shocking that we pair a coach that didn't have the talent yet has the brain, with a player that has the brain but now lacks the talent.
 

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It’s mostly leadership. I get that you have no clue about that.

You know, if you disagree with my opinion, I respect that. But that's a pretty cheap shot. We are all Cowboys fans here and really there is no call for that.

As for him being a leader/RKG he probably used to be but he lost that in 2017 when he refused to come off the field to pad his stats and hurt the team in the process That was a selfish move and undermined the team and coaches. I don't want that kind of leader if you want to call it that on our team.
 

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Go root for Belicheat then and please spare us your constant whining.

I get it. We disagree.

I am not trying to shut down your opinion. I'm not sure why you feel the need to shut down mine. Try to be a little more objective or tolerant of others opinions. That's what makes this a great forum.

Surely you are better than this.
 

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Work ethic is part of leadership. Just because Witten never won a Super Bowl doesn’t mean he doesn’t exude leadership traits in everything he does. Come on man, you’re better than that.

I'm going to have to side with the other guy on this one. There are different schools of thought on this one.
 

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Love Jason

But this is a burden for everyone not named Jason Witten.
 

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I’ve never liked him and just can’t make myself listen to anything he says. It’s like listening to @Risen Star they just speak to hear themselves speak and have no credibility.

Try taking a poll to determine who, as between you and Risen Star, has greater credibility around here. I don't think you'll like the results. You'll try blaming them on others' being 'haters'. But the truth is that it's just really hard to gain credibility by letting Jerry Jones (of all people) do all of your thinking for you. And it's doubly hard when your go-to move -- really, your only move -- in defense of Jerry's ideas is the ad hominem.
 
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It always makes me laugh at all the people saying that he's not fast and cant take the top off of a defense and now that he's older he's even more slow.

The fact of the matter is that Witten has never been fast, not even close to it. That's not his game.

He will come back and be a good blocker and will still be able to get open and catch the ball.
 

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Whether he is correct depends on if he is right about the Cowboys targeting Witten 90 times over the season. If that’s true the Cowboys will take a step back at TE. But if, as is being reported, Witten only plays about 25 snaps a game, then Witten will not be the primary TE, and Carter will be wrong. Witten should not be the starter getting 90 targets, but as the #2 guy in a support role he would likely be an asset.
3.5 million for 25 snaps per game? Dumb move all the way around. In a season where we are hoping to focus the ball downfield more with added speed, Witten slows us down and allows Dink and Dak to potentially not progress. If we signed Witten for his leadership it should have been to the coaching staff.
 

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3.5 million for 25 snaps per game? Dumb move all the way around. In a season where we are hoping to focus the ball downfield more with added speed, Witten slows us down and allows Dink and Dak to potentially not progress. If we signed Witten for his leadership it should have been to the coaching staff.
The cost is high for the role, no doubt, but it’s plain wrong to think there isn’t room for a short to intermediate game. The idea is to spread defenses thin by having to cover the whole field. If the team only focuses on downfield they will be just as predictable as when focusing too much on thecshortbgamevb And, again, if it’s a limited role why do some act as if Witten will dictate the whole offensive style?. As for the cost, I would complain as much as anyone if it were a multi year deal with ongoing consequences, but for a 1 year deal there really isn’t any harm
 

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I think Witten plays 60% of snaps get 45 catches 450 yards which is perfectly acceptable for his contract. I’m expecting about the same from Jarwin too. Shultz has done. Othing to suggest he’s ready to play regularly.
 

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Witten was not signed to just be a role player. If that was the case, they would have signed him after the draft once we got our roster set for 2019.
The cost is high for the role, no doubt, but it’s plain wrong to think there isn’t room for a short to intermediate game. The idea is to spread defenses thin by having to cover the whole field. If the team only focuses on downfield they will be just as predictable as when focusing too much on thecshortbgamevb And, again, if it’s a limited role why do some act as if Witten will dictate the whole offensive style?. As for the cost, I would complain as much as anyone if it were a multi year deal with ongoing consequences, but for a 1 year deal there really isn’t any harm
Trust me...Dak has the check downs on lock to any receiver, back or TE within 3 yards of the Los. That's what we need to change. Witten just brings more of the same crap and roadblocks development of younger players that can actually run.
 

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Is it possible Witten's return is going to threaten Dak and Zeke's assuming the leadership of the team?

This never occurred to me.

I think not but this debate heats up a little and Carter nearly has a meltdown.

This reminds me of the Forum debates.

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Enjoy.


Carter is such a liar. If Gronk retired and the Pats signed Witten they would be going off on how good an idea it is.
 

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Witten was not signed to just be a role player. If that was the case, they would have signed him after the draft once we got our roster set for 2019.

Trust me...Dak has the check downs on lock to any receiver, back or TE within 3 yards of the Los. That's what we need to change. Witten just brings more of the same crap and roadblocks development of younger players that can actually run.
Why would they fill out their complete roster, then sign him and cut someone that was on the roster to make room for him? Besides, it makes much more sense that they would sign him before the draft so they know their needs going into the draft. At the end of the day, all the reports are that Witten will be a role player - Witten himself said so -why not take his word for it? There is no evedence to the contrary, so why not wait until the evidence is in to judge? You will still have plenty of time to call him a liar if he ends up playing as the primary TE.
 
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