Fuzzy Thoughts After vs SF

[Idgit]

Why would you throw it out in the event the opposition was running it up?

The idea hinges on whether or not you can stop an offense who is trying. For the 49ers, throw out the 2nd half today because the 49ers didn't need to score. At least that's what seems to be the claim.

Maybe the defense shut em down, maybe the 9ers coasted. To be determined.

If the score is being ran up, clearly you can't stop them regardless of whether or not they are even trying to score. Nothing to be determined. You do in fact suck.

I wouldn't throw out the defense's performance in either situation. And good luck making a convincing point that the 49er offense 'wasn't trying.' That's what offenses are for: trying to score points. Especially in games against other good offenses that have shown the ability to move the ball on your quality defense in the first half.

Either way, it's not to be determined whether the defense shut them down in the second half or not. You are what your performance says you are. Except in Dallas, where you either stink, or your performance was inconclusive because the other team obviously 'stopped trying' during the part of the game where you were actually successful.

 

[Hoofbite]

I wouldn't throw out the defense's performance in either situation. And good luck making a convincing point that the 49er offense 'wasn't trying.' That's what offenses are for: trying to score points. Especially in games against other good offenses that have shown the ability to move the ball on your quality defense in the first half.

Either way, it's not to be determined whether the defense shut them down in the second half or not. You are what your performance says you are. Except in Dallas, where you either stink, or your performance was inconclusive because the other team obviously 'stopped trying' during the part of the game where you were actually successful.

You don't think the mindset for the 9ers when up 25 points was any different than when they were tied at zero?

 

[Idgit]

You don't think the mindset for the 9ers when up 25 points was any different than when they were tied at zero?

I don't think it matters. You play the offense they put in front of you, because it's going to try to score, no matter what it's mindset is. And you don't throw out results because of your best guess as to what that mindset might have been after the fact. That's just silliness.

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't think it matters. You play the offense they put in front of you, because it's going to try to score, no matter what it's mindset is. And you don't throw out results because of your best guess as to what that mindset might have been after the fact. That's just silliness.

So there's no such thing as situational play calling?

 

[DMX690]

So there's no such thing as situational play calling?

Remember we're Cowboys fans we don't know what that is

 

[Bluestang]

I don't think it matters. You play the offense they put in front of you, because it's going to try to score, no matter what it's mindset is. And you don't throw out results because of your best guess as to what that mindset might have been after the fact. That's just silliness.

You know what is silliness?

Trying to make a sound judgement on the defense's performance in the second half of a blowout.

The 49ers didn't take any deep shots in the second half. Why? Was it because the defense was so good or that dink/dunk was ok with them?

 

[CCBoy]

I would throw out the defense's tape in the second half because of the score and how conservative SF was.

This one is target on Bluestang. From about two minutes left in the first half on...my view of the play on the field was similar to a young cat playing with a ball of yarn for amusement.

They had the sense that they could have just imposed their own will for most of the game. That part was sad for this fan to watch...

 

[4lifecowboy]

They didn't take any shots down field all game! It was all underneath the "zone" which I believe we stayed in because of that possibility. The defensive coach knows we have no one of quality covering the top, that's why the corners can't gamble. We have two undersized LBs playing safety for us, until we address that we can't evaluate our CBs, (effectively anyway).

 

[Idgit]

You know what is silliness?

Trying to make a sound judgement on the defense's performance in the second half of a blowout.

The 49ers didn't take any deep shots in the second half. Why? Was it because the defense was so good or that dink/dunk was ok with them?

Thing is, it didn't end up a blowout. And the period during which it became 'not a blowout' all happened in that second half.

I can't answer for what the 49ers decided to do offensively after half time. All I can do is make the argument that to think they didn't try to be productive offensively is silly. Whether they wanted to take the air out of the ball or not is academic. You can (and should) judge the defense by how it played against the plays that were run. But that's not what you're advocating. You're advocating 'throwing out the tape' for some reason.

 

[CCBoy]

Thing is, it didn't end up a blowout. And the period during which it became 'not a blowout' all happened in that second half.

I can't answer for what the 49ers decided to do offensively after half time. All I can do is make the argument that to think they didn't try to be productive offensively is silly. Whether they wanted to take the air out of the ball or not is academic. You can (and should) judge the defense by how it played against the plays that were run. But that's not what you're advocating. You're advocating 'throwing out the tape' for some reason.

The first indication is that the Titans are at least, tough. We shall shortly know what trends are being set, and what was cold feet.

 

[Sarge]

I personally don't think we looked like an 8-8 team and I I have more concerns for this team now, than i did a week ago, and a week ago I had a lot of concerns.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You know what is silliness?

Trying to make a sound judgement on the defense's performance in the second half of a blowout.

The 49ers didn't take any deep shots in the second half. Why? Was it because the defense was so good or that dink/dunk was ok with them?

They took one shot the entire game and that was on blown coverage in the first half. SF is not big on the long developing pass.

 

[marchetta]

Saw Martin grabbing his foot on the TD run though. Plantar fasicitis looks like it could be a lingering issue.

I saw that, but he wasn't grabbing his foot. He banged shins with a defender, fell down grabbing his shin, rolled over on his side in pain for a few seconds, then got up for the Point After Attempt, and everything was fine. Never bothered him again for the rest of the game. But it did scare the heck out of me for a minute when he initially went down. Thought he'd broken his leg like Silva (UFC reference).

 

[starfrombirth]

Tony Romo looked awful. In accurate throws. held the ball way too long rather than throwing it away. roll out and chuck it oob, tony. He was slow on his reads and was still making the same mistake of missing underneath coverage up the hash and throwing picks. I have never seen him throw into that much double coverage before. Garrett having to save Tony from a delay of game puts the last several years in a bit of perspective. The reason why we are constantly deep in the snap count is Tony. Linehan and Tony need to get this figured out.

SF did a good job taking away the TE in the middle of the field. Tony still tried to force some throws especially to Witten. Cannot help but be disappointed in the performance of both these guys. Will look very closesly this week when I revisist the game.

Dez still has his head up his butt. He needs to quit ranting and start saving it for the field. He was worthless in the second half. Harris deserves a second contract moreso than Dez to this point. Very disappointing.

Fred was the best player on offense. Demarco was good but that fumble set the tone for a long afternoon.

Oline as a whole looked good. Romo most times had lots of time to throw. He would go through reads find nothing and then cower expecting pressure that never came. A lot of the pressure was from Romo holding the ball. We were able to run between the tackles. Over the edges and where we wanted. Saw Martin grabbing his foot on the TD run though. Plantar fasicitis looks like it could be a lingering issue.

Although they are the same size or thereabouts, I find myself more confident in Beasley's ability to stay healthy than I do Dunbars especially under a heavy workload. Seemed to prove himself a bit in that regard to my mind.

SF has better coached coverage unit than ours. Wilcox was awful. Kept letting things get behind him or overrunning things and missing tackles. In the first half the depth on our drops was off and completions kept on happening in front of guys. That cleaned up in the second half but you still see a lot of uncertainty as guys react to routes as they get to their drops. Durant, Wilcox, Carr, and Claiborne were particularly noticeable in this regard.

The LB played up and down. McClain looked locked in and physical. Carter was all over the place. All three did a good job swarming the ball. Durant struggled in coverage. Should provide some levity regarding Carter's past performances. It's not as easy as some fans seem to think it is. Has been mentioned several times before this but Lee in place of Durant would be a superb LB corps.

DT play seemed very good. All 4 guys were active and for the majority of the game held the poa. Ran over the edges especially 95 who looked pretty medicore. Looking forward to the coaches film to really get a good look. I was paying attention to coverage most of the game.

Mincey should have opened some people's eyes. That was Staley he was doing some of that to. Good pressure from 92 all game long.

All in all, the defense was encouraging. Held SF scoreless in the second half and kept on giving the offense opportunities that they could not capitalize on. Overall, I think the team can be very competitive. S remains a bugaboo

This division is still wide open. Commanders are awful. Eagles looked pretty bad for 2.5 quarters versus a depleted Jags team. The Giants are weak up front on both sides of the ball.

Overall, we looked a lot like 8-8 to me. Would that be enough this year?

I was going to give a "quick hits" thread of my own but you said basically everything I was going to say. Great minds think alike The only thing I would add is that someone asked if Tony's issues were back or rust related. I would say to that... rust. His back didn't cause him to repeatedly thrown into double and triple coverages or completely miss (not see) wide open receivers or check into (again : sigh: ) a pass play on a 2nd and 1 from the 2. The down side to this is that, although Tony can learn from this, he can also not truly recognize the mistakes were his and his alone. In some respects I guess it could be back related in a mental way. If Tony is scared for his back he may not see the field clearly because he is rushing his mental processes and he may not recover. I hope this isn't the case.

Good read fuzzy. Thank you.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Dez still has his head up his butt. He needs to quit ranting and start saving it for the field. He was worthless in the second half. Harris deserves a second contract moreso than Dez to this point. Very disappointing.

You suggest time and again you dislike comments made from emotion with nothing to back them up.

Two things. They clearly said he was dehydrated in the second half. May or may not have been. I allowed my physicians degree to lapse and didn't sleep at Holiday Inn last night. So I have no medical opinion.

But if so, then him being out of gas in the second may have a reason.

But I wonder, because I don't remember, what you said when the camera focused on Irvin ranting at the offense?

How do you know this wasn't Dez trying to rally the troops and not him going off?

You said many things in your post I agree with. But this aspect of Dez' behavior and his MIA in the second half comes after getting T-boned by a safety in an unprotected position and perhaps dehydration. His ranting could be demonstrative cheer leading.

 

[VACowboy]

I firmly believe that you can't tell much about a team until at least week three, so I'm reserving judgement. Having said that, here are a few things that stuck in my head:

• Romo looked like a QB who hasn't practiced and hasn't played. He didn't just toss up three bad passes. His reads were bad. How many open receivers did he just plain not see? His arm strength didn't seem to be there either, and he looked scared in the pocket.

• Small sample size, but the Cowboys look like a running team. Fred and Smith may be two of the best run-blocking linemen in the game. Smith had an off day in pass pro, though, and it looked like Free got pushed around a lot. I love how Murray runs.

• The DL was very encouraging, especially against a highly elusive QB. The front seven brought consistent pressure and played the zone read better than I ever imagined they could. Mincey was in the backfield all day. LB blitzes were effective. And Coleman had a quietly productive game. Give Melton, McClain and Carr another game or two to play into shape and get Scandrick back, I think the Dallas D can actually be pretty good.

• Trade up for Claiborne looked bad when it happened and it looks even worse now.

• Pass from inside the SF five? Five times? Really?

• Jimmy Johnson said he really couldn't tell much about either team because of the four early turnovers. I agree with that.

 

[bodi]

Dez still has his head up his butt. He needs to quit ranting and start saving it for the field. He was worthless in the second half.-

HMMMMMM THAT HIT HAD NOITHING TO DO WITH IT



and Romo can not throw the long ball anymore the one he did complete was Harris's dping

 

[Hook'em#11]

Remember we're Cowboys fans we don't know what that is

No, the Cowboys coaching staff doesn't know what situational playcalling is.. Hell, my 8 year old watched what happened on the 2 yd line and asked, "daddy, why are they throwing?"..

My reply? "Because, son, they are idiots."

 

[boyzjunkie]

I wouldn't throw out the defense's performance in either situation. And good luck making a convincing point that the 49er offense 'wasn't trying.' That's what offenses are for: trying to score points. Especially in games against other good offenses that have shown the ability to move the ball on your quality defense in the first half.

Either way, it's not to be determined whether the defense shut them down in the second half or not. You are what your performance says you are. Except in Dallas, where you either stink, or your performance was inconclusive because the other team obviously 'stopped trying' during the part of the game where you were actually successful.

Is it possible that sometimes offenses would prefer to operate a low risk scheme that takes time off the clock rather than go to their 'scoring' mode that may be higher risk? Think Dallas/Detroit 2013.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

Dez still has his head up his butt. He needs to quit ranting and start saving it for the field. He was worthless in the second half.-

HMMMMMM THAT HIT HAD NOITHING TO DO WITH IT



and Romo can not throw the long ball anymore the one he did complete was Harris's dping

yeh... i felt the same way after reading that comment.. hard to take your head from up your butt, if it was physically stuffed there by the opposing team.