Fuzzy Thoughts at GB 2016

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So who was Clove before he changed his name? He seems a bit obsessive.

 

[Clove]

LOL, wut?

That post was to Trouty. And I will apologize to fuzzy for saying he was a Romo homer, that was just me being over zealous.

 

[AsthmaField]

Yes, @AsthmaField loved Aaron Donald early in the draft process. I remember being concerned about his well being when the Cowboys didn't get him.

Lol, I thought about jumping but then realized Martin was a really good player.

Seriously, I really liked Martin a lot and he was one of the few guys I hoped we would get if Donald was gone.

Still mad at the freaking Rams though.

 

[Gameover]

Next Play: Pass to Ezekiel perfect spot - receiver would have caught it - put the ball on the outside where his receiver only had a chance to make the play
Next Play: Pass to Witten was a tad high, but the receiver just made a perfect over the back swat of the ball.

Exactly

 

[Gameover]

Next Play: Deep Bomb to Butler incomplete - 1st off, Butler had no reason diving for the ball there. Secondly it hit him right in the bread basket. Had he maintained his feet and not dove, caught the ball,
it could have been a 95 yard touch down pass/catch.

exactly

 

[xwalker]

The Myth that Dak Prescott had a bad throwing day, was very inaccurate during the game.

I don't know who Funny is or Fuzzy, but his observations of Dak Prescott In my opinion are way off. First off, I don't know if Fuzzy ever threw a pass or caught one in his life but I was a top wide receiver in my level (division - not pros or College) but I played a ton of receiver and was the recipient of good and bad QBs and QB play. I played ALOT of Football in my 20s. So I decided to go back and rewatch the video in slow motion and this is what I discovered.

first play: Roll out into sun - Accurate Witten 1st down. Play was a roll out against his own throwing side.
Next Play: Screen to Elliott perfect.
Next Play: Screen Beasley a tad high, caught first down.
Next Play: Pass Beasley Touch down. Perfect throw
Next Play: Slant to Williams in sun perfect 1st down.
Next Play: Pass to witten high - in sun Pass was high but close
Next Play: Pass to Witten on a roll out scamble - perfect short of 1st down.
Next Play: pass on run scooting left - put it in a place to Williams stay in bounds
Next Play: slant to Elliott - away from defender - He put the ball in a place that the defender could not get it, it was incomplete but if Elliott were a receiver, I believe that was a catch.
Next Play: 1st fumble- guy completely behind him - didn't see him
Next Play: hit williams on a comeback route
Next Play: incomplete to witten - ball tipped
Next Play: perfect strike to beasley
Next Play: Pass to beasley incomplete - he expected Beasley to cut his route shorter than he did- Watch the tape, after a second, Prescott was ready to throw it but
beasley kept running- he put the ball in a catchable range but interference on the defender.
Next Play: Running or Scrambling - ball hit off the side of leg fumbled - bad play but it happens. He'll learn to put the ball up higher when he's running
Next Play: Screen caught perfect
Next Play: Pass to Ezekiel perfect spot - receiver would have caught it - put the ball on the outside where his receiver only had a chance to make the play
Next Play: Pass to Witten was a tad high, but the receiver just made a perfect over the back swat of the ball.
Next Play: Pass to Williams on a scramble - right through Williams hands - when your QB is scrambling, you have to be able to make that catch.
Next Play: Perfect pass to Williams right in the bread basket down the sideline.
Next Play: Perfect strike to Butler touch down. - outside of the db
Next Play: screen to beasley - perfect
Next Play: The ball was behind Butler a little, but He had to move the ball up high to get it over the defender in his face - also there was a defender coming over to break up the pass,
if he had put the ball out in front of Butler, big chance of INT, but with zip, could have been touch down. All in all, missed throw - Had the safety blitzed, would have been
a touch down to Butler. Heavy blitz to the side he threw. Also, I believe his timing was off with Butler on that play. Seems like he expected Butler to come right off and slant
instead Butler put a move on which slowed the process up, then slanted. IMO, if there's a blitz, there's no time for moves, you have to just slant. I thought the blame goes to
Butler and Prescott on that play.
Next Play: Deep Bomb to Butler incomplete - 1st off, Butler had no reason diving for the ball there. Secondly it hit him right in the bread basket. Had he maintained his feet and not dove, caught the ball,
it could have been a 95 yard touch down pass/catch.
Next Play: Interception: No excuses terrible throw, just terrible. First terrible throw of the game. If he was trying to throw it away there, was a bad decision.
Next play: screen to beasley perfect.
Next play: Lucky Whitehead catch, I thought he gave Lucky a very catchable ball - Not having to run for it or fight for it, just a nice soft pass that would fall down
like a punt return catch - and even if he had lead Lucky down the field more, #21 was right in position to get him, so that was a great pass to me.
Next play: Pass to Witten, slightly high,caught for a nice game at the 5.
Next play: Touch down Beasley perfect route/pass catch
Next play: Under a heavy blitz, hit Witten perfectly going out of bounds. Didn't even flinch under the rush.

What did I gather from all of this. That Dak Prescott had one of his best games as a Dallas Cowboys starter. Some of his passes were in spots to avoid interceptions, some where deliberate, a lot were catchable balls there weren't caught.
Catchable balls: Any ball that is anywhere within reach without having to turn your body backwards too far to catch, reach too high to catch, or reach too low to catch. Balls that are with in full hand position is a catchable ball. Balls that are too far behind, too far in front, too high or too low are non catchable balls. This is coming from a top flight receiver saying this. Balls that skip off the ground- Non Cathchable - Balls that are way too high where your fingers don't even touch it or barely touches it, too high. Balls that are so far wide you don't even touch it or barely touches it. Balls that lead you right into the receiver are catchable but dangerous throws.

So to me, Dak had an amazing game with what he had to work with. I just thought he threw the ball very accurately for the most part and hit guys, and made touch downs and this is why I didn't like Fuzzy's explanation of Dak. The guy didn't study anything about the plays just what it looked like and moved on, where as I studied every play, slo motioned it, and came away with my conclusion. Feel free to go study them yourselves.

Good job posting your opinions on each pass.

It's a good basis for discussion.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lol, I thought about jumping but then realized Martin was a really good player.

Seriously, I really liked Martin a lot and he was one of the few guys I hoped we would get if Donald was gone.

Still mad at the freaking Rams though.

What made me mad was not trading up for Fletcher Cox in 2012 and picking the corner instead.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Good job posting your opinions on each pass.

It's a good basis for discussion.

He was erratic particularly in the first half. From reading that and his explanation of "catchable ball" he biases everything caught as a 'good pass.'

 

[xwalker]

He was erratic particularly in the first half. From reading that and his explanation of "catchable ball" he biases everything caught as a 'good pass.'

No doubt it's biased but at least we got him to rewatch some plays instead of just generically saying that you were wrong.

 

[Clove]

Good job posting your opinions on each pass.

It's a good basis for discussion.

Thanks, that's all I was asking because when I watched the game bare eyes, I didn't see passes fluttering all over the place, I had to take a second look. I know the guy didn't play perfect, but he played a darned good game and for others to say otherwise is not true.

 

[Clove]

He was erratic particularly in the first half. From reading that and his explanation of "catchable ball" he biases everything caught as a 'good pass.'

I know what a catchable ball is. Why not go back, slo mo every play, and get back with me. I did already.

 

[xwalker]

Thanks, that's all I was asking because when I watched the game bare eyes, I didn't see passes fluttering all over the place, I had to take a second look. I know the guy didn't play perfect, but he played a darned good game and for others to say otherwise is not true.

I'll review it and give my opinion in a couple of days.

I will say that there are occasions where I think he is intentionally not accurate because he likes to error away from the defender. I remember a simple curl by Witten (maybe before Packers game) where Dak threw it a couple of feet left of Witten and Witten was unable to catch it. The announcers said he was not accurate, but I think that it was basically where he intended to throw it because there was a defender on Witten's right. Witten should have caught it but didn't.

 

[gmoney112]

Lol, I thought about jumping but then realized Martin was a really good player.

Seriously, I really liked Martin a lot and he was one of the few guys I hoped we would get if Donald was gone.

Still mad at the freaking Rams though.

Haha yeah. I remember the battles between Martin and Donald at the Senior Bowl. The only times they ever lost were against each other. That convinced me this Zach guy might have something.

 

[waldoputty]

latest Jaylon tweet: redemption ~

good grief...

 

[Trouty]

It was a figure of speach but the back and forth between the Op and Clove were fine when I was reading it last night. Heated? Sure.....but if folks are going to start a thread, I'd assume some oposing view should be welcome and dissenting opinion tolerated. What I did see is the pack mentality, the same sensitive nancies wanting to "ignore" a poster.

And as for being attacked, you give as good as you get. What's with the KJJ reference when you're not even responding to him?

Oh, I don't mind the heat. I like it. I can't help myself. I also didn't ignore ol' boy, he stopped responding to me, as once it started, I can't stop. But alas, it's over for now (with he and I), so I'm cool.

My question to you -- why did you feel the need to get in it when it was clearly over? You're little comment to me to "cool off" (or whatever the hell it was) after it had ended 7 or so hours prior?

ETA welp, apparently it's not over with he and I...

 

[Trouty]

Trouty, I have no qualms with you, but you are just out to post every 2 minutes. Getting in our business was wrong because you didn't have anything to add to the thread topic. This is why you were blasted by me. I'm not on here to play games and fiddle around, I'm on here to make my point and get off.

What? You ruining this thread last night was wrong (you're even apologizing to Fuzzy in this very thread, now), and you didn't blast me lol

You're clearly here to play games. Right now it's "poke the bear"

A poster with 40k posts is complaining that I post too much, that's pretty rich.

I had plenty to add to Fuzzy's thread. What I added for you, well I can give a **** all.

 

[Verdict]

Until we run into a defense that can stop out run game its a moot point but I still am concerned with his ability when he is pigeonholed into being a passer on 3rd and long or when behind late in games.

He hasn't been challenged with that but I do believe that a healthy Romo would have the same record or better given this running attack and opportunistic defense.

I personally think Romo is better than Dak in just about every category with the exception of possibly two. One is ball security (interceptions). The other is that Dak will take the safe throw and get the first down instead of going for the home run and killing a drive. When you go for the home run it is great when it works, and not so much when it doesn't.

 

[Verdict]

Do you think Dak was off early, or do you think he was confused by what Green Bay was doing? THEY GET PAID TO STOP QBs. Do you realize this? They get paid to stop Dak Prescott. They also get paid to stop Tom Brady, and other Qbs who come into Lambeau field.

Guess what? In 2014, guess who Romo had in his lineup. He had Dez Bryant. Dak had no such guy on his team. He didn't have 11 years of experience behind him, he had 5 weeks. You guys act like he was an 8th year player playing against Cleveland at home.

So does that mean that a bad pss didn't happen because of those facts? You aren't being remotely objective about what is being said. Just providing a different irrelevant reply to what he is saying.

Question: What is your favorite color?

Your reply: Blueberry pie.

 

[waldoputty]

What? You ruining this thread was wrong, and you didn't blast me lol

You're clearly here to play games. Right now it's "poke the bear"

A poster with 40k posts is complaining that I post too much, that's pretty rich.

poke the trouty

 

[Trouty]

poke the trouty

How we doing, Waldo?