FWIW Schefter talks T.O. on Dan Patrick show this AM

[DallasEast]

How has that always been apparent, Yeast?

Was it right of Mooch to suspend Owens for celebrating on our beloved star? As over-the-top as it may have been...why should his own coach care about something like that? Mariucci should have been happy he scored two touchdowns and helped his team win the game...not that he somehow magically "disgraced" our logo by standing on it, which represents the most historically important franchise in the league. It was a touchdown celebration. That's not grounds for a suspension. A fine, sure. But it's not a severe enough infraction to warrant something like that.

Well, I guess you haven't seen the video. :laugh1:

By his own admission, the relationship between both men was amicable until the STAR incident, but went south immediately afterwards.

"That's not grounds for a suspension." Spoken like a true iJordanTaber.

 

[Clove]

It just seems to me like everyone's blaming 1 person for the demise of this team, as if letting go of 1 person is going to cure our problems. This is insane..

Oh yeah, someone suggested Bradie James was the problem to our defensive problems 2 or 3 years ago, and every other thread was "Why is Bradie still here", "please cut him now" "if he's gone, our defense will dominate" So they blamed 1 person for defensive problems, but the Cowboys organization was smarter than us and kept James, now he's a darling.

1 person is not the reason we sucked last year, get that through your heads and you'll sleep better at night. Gotta go chumps, keep arguing though, it's meaningless since Jerry runs the show.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Look at what you just typed.

So we have two coaches who are incapable of handling a problem child player, but rather than man-up and deal with him, it would be better if the owner simply takes the player out of the equation?

Those are the guys you want leading this team?

Really?

Explain the Philly situation again? The owner had to remove the player because Andy Reid and Brad Childress were such weak, incapable coaches?

 

[Stash]

Understand, my first and foremost preference is to get rid of Wade and probably Garret. Mr. Jones, actually problem #1, has assured me that is not happening, and most of my coaching choices look like they are sitting out the year anyway.

I'm just looking down the next problem on my checklist and seeing Owens' name. If someone can address 1 and 2 for me I'll happily keep Owens, but keeping all three is a disaster in my mind. TO already knows he can walk all over the coaching staff and Jerry has his back. More so if he is not let go this year.

And the other players know it too.

Like you've said, the real problems start at the top.

And as long as they remain unfixed, cutting Owens won't make anything better.

Spineless, incapable coaches will remain just that.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

It just seems to me like everyone's blaming 1 person for the demise of this team, as if letting go of 1 person is going to cure our problems. This is insane..

Oh yeah, someone suggested Bradie James was the problem to our defensive problems 2 or 3 years ago, and every other thread was "Why is Bradie still here", "please cut him now" "if he's gone, our defense will dominate" So they blamed 1 person for defensive problems, but the Cowboys organization was smarter than us and kept James, now he's a darling.

1 person is not the reason we sucked last year, get that through your heads and you'll sleep better at night. Gotta go chumps, keep arguing though, it's meaningless since Jerry runs the show.

He's the biggest symptom to the problem. IMOP

I take that back, he's the third biggest. The other two can't and won't be fixed.

 

[Stash]

so pay 2 guys about 30 million in guranteed money if you aren't going to feature them in your offense?



oh...k....

I'm saying we've never won a playoff game with the great TO, what exactly are we losing if we cut him?



nothing that matters though

call me unconvinced why losing TO would be the worst thing in the World

The only thing I can show you is what is - Owens' numbers and his productivity.

That can't convince you of something that hasn't happened yet.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How many Super Bowl winners have there been?

Are you saying the Cowboys would have won the Super Bowls without Michael Irvin? Or the 49ers would have won without Jerry Rice? Or the Rams would have won without Terry Holt?

let's do the 21st Century

it's now 2009, that's 9 Super Bowl winnners

7 didn't have great WRs, and I don't care what you say, Hines Ward is not a great WR

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The only thing I can show you is what is - Owens' numbers and his productivity.

That can't convince you of something that hasn't happened yet.

we haven't not won a playoff game with TO?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Well, I guess you haven't seen the video. :laugh1:

By his own admission, the relationship between both men was amicable until the STAR incident, but went south immediately afterwards.

"That's not grounds for a suspension." Spoken like a true iJordanTaber.

Go figure, the one vid Jordan doesn't remember.

 

[DallasEast]

Go figure, the one vid Jordan doesn't remember.

His amnesia causes acute blindness... whenever it's posted right in front of him that is.

 

[Stash]

Explain the Philly situation again? The owner had to remove the player because Andy Reid and Brad Childress were such weak, incapable coaches?

Owens blew up in Philadelphia and went to war with his coach, his quarterback, and numerous other issues - specifically a contract nobody was going to change.

Are any of those issues happening in Dallas because I sure haven't see them.

And if they did, I'd have no problem doing the same thing that the Eagles did.

 

[wileedog]

It just seems to me like everyone's blaming 1 person for the demise of this team, as if letting go of 1 person is going to cure our problems. This is insane..
.

No it seems to me people defending TO keep trying to boil the argument down to "everything is not TO's fault", when if fact NO ONE is saying everything is TO's fault.

But that doesn't make him blameless, that doesn't mean he doesn;t have a huge hand in a locker room that is chaos, or that he is not a huge distraction that undercuts what little authority the coaches are allowed to have by the Puppetmaster.

Those of us who want him gone recognize the contribution TO made for the team positively and certainly the contribtion he made negatively, and feel the negative outweigh the positive.

That's it. No one is saying cutting TO = Championship. We're saying its a step in the right direction, especially if we are going to keep the current weak coaching staff in place (that emphasis might be just mine and a few others though)

 

[wileedog]

Like you've said, the real problems start at the top.

And as long as they remain unfixed, cutting Owens won't make anything better.

Spineless, incapable coaches will remain just that.

They are not going anywhere, so at least get rid of the ringleader among the players.

I don't care what Garrett does this year, I guarantee you half way through the year Owens is going to be complaining about him. And we are going to go through this whole rigamarole again.

 

[Stash]

we haven't not won a playoff game with TO?

Haven't won one with Ware either.

Let's boot him too.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Owens blew up in Philadelphia and went to war with his coach, his quarterback, and numerous other issues - specifically a contract nobody was going to change.

Are any of those issues happening in Dallas because I sure haven't see them.

And if they did, I'd have no problem doing the same thing that the Eagles did.

I don't know about "war", but I heard "It's not me, it's the system" and "I can't throw it and catch it, too" in an interview TO did after a big win.

And as for other issues, he did have the whole Witten thing.

Other than the money, it's shaping up exactly like it did in Philly. Even though Andy Reid is a tough, respected coach.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Haven't won one with Ware either.

Let's boot him too.

we cut Ware and we have no pass-rush

cut TO, and our O is in pretty good shape still

and that's really the whole point

plus pass-rushers are indispensible, WRs are not

 

[Stash]

They are not going anywhere, so at least get rid of the ringleader among the players.

I don't care what Garrett does this year, I guarantee you half way through the year Owens is going to be complaining about him. And we are going to go through this whole rigamarole again.

Then they can cut Owens then.

When he does blow up.

Until that point I see a weak ownership and coaching staff wantiong to get rid of a guy who dared question what that same weak coaching staff was doing.

And he was right about it.

What happens when the next dissenting voice is heard, cut him too?

Better get rid of Roy Williams and Romo now then.

 

[Stash]

I don't know about "war", but I heard "It's not me, it's the system" and "I can't throw it and catch it, too" in an interview TO did after a big win.

And as for other issues, he did have the whole Witten thing.

Other than the money, it's shaping up exactly like it did in Philly. Even though Andy Reid is a tough, respected coach.

When what happens in Philly happens here, I'll be right there with you hoping he gets cut.

But it hasn't happened so far.

Not close.

 

[DuaneThomas71]

Well, I guess you haven't seen the video. :laugh1:

By his own admission, the relationship between both men was amicable until the STAR incident, but went south immediately afterwards.

"That's not grounds for a suspension." Spoken like a true iJordanTaber.

What video?

I've seen Mooch defend Owens time and time again. I know their relationship was strained in San Francisco...whose fault that was is a matter of opinion. I also know that they worked together and would have continued to work together had Mooch not been fired following the 2002 season.

Mooch wasn't interested in running away from a strained relationship like people think it's OK for Jason Garrett to be.

 

[DallasEast]

I don't know about "war", but I heard "It's not me, it's the system" and "I can't throw it and catch it, too" in an interview TO did after a big win.

And as for other issues, we have the whole Witten thing.

Other than the money, it's shaping up exactly like it did in Philly. Even though Andy Reid is a tough, respected coach.

I don't know how much discussion can be deflected about his money issues in Philadelphia. He had a gripe about the length and total amount of the contract, but somehow his $9 million dollar signing bonus gets swept under the rug for some reason. That's not exactly chicken feed either.

Then again, he did claim that the Eagles weren't paying him enough to feed his family. $9 million dollars worth of chicken feed is probably not a whole lot anyway.