FWST Blog: Assistant director of pro scouting Brian Gaine joins Dolphins

[silverbear]

This clown is still on his Anti Jerry parade? Now he is not even a good owner?

Jerry slept with Bach's dog, and poisoned his girlfriend...

 

[Dodger12]

This clown is still on his Anti Jerry parade? Now he is not even a good owner?

Welcone Zrin. What took you so long? It's good to see you, Bear, Ice, and BigDFan back. Are you guys getting the band back together...........?:

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[Alexander]

You have no idea that's why Gaine left... that's just an assumption on your part...

I'd love to hear your best guess.

I think it's asinine of you and the other Jerry haters to assume he'd let that ego override his business sense...

Why not? He's done it before.

I think that he recognizes that his old way of doing things, the way you are so dead morally certain he's set on returning to, didn't work, and conversely the new approach he tried yielded positive results... and I think that recognizing that, he's WAY too smart to return to the bad old days... [/QUOTE]

So he now has one less executive, how is that keeping with the "new approach" that Parcells installed?

When he starts rebuilding his personnel department with these new fresh young minds you keep saying he can attract, I will buy this.

I won't hold my breath.

And without meaning to get personal with you about this, intending this as more of a generic observation, I think it's quite idiotic of y'all to assume that he even WANTS to go back to the ways that didn't work...

He has a strange way of showing it then.

 

[zrinkill]

Welcone Zrin. What took you so long? It's good to see you, Bear, Ice, and BigDFan back. Are you guys getting the band back together...........?:

And who are you? Sorry but all you trolls kinda merge after a while .... are you the guy who guaranteed Romo would never recover from last years game? Or the guy who said we only got a new stadium because of Bill Parcells?

 

[silverbear]

People raid a coaching staff, that happens all the time when a team is successful. But how many teams raid another team's front office?

It happens all the time-- to good teams...

But let me ask you a serious and honest question Bear. Did you not cringe, at least a little, when Jerry made the comments relative to Ireland's job, how he nonchelantly described it in a minimizing way and stated that the position would not be filled?

I did, but only because I knew the Jerry haters would misinterpret what he was really saying...

I was right... but as for what I felt when I read that, it came off to me as a kind of pep talk for the fans, more or less Jerry saying "hey, don't get all panicky, we still have good people in place"...

I did for two reasons: first, it changed an organizational structure that was highly successfu

Perhaps Jerry thought the staff dynamic was the thing that made it successful, and bringing in somebody from outside risked messing that up... and perhaps this is just an experiment on Jerry's part, if it doesn't work out he can always hire somebody for the staff next year...

 

[theogt]

Jerry slept with Bach's dog, and poisoned his girlfriend...

Shocking that they're separate entities.

 

[windward]

Shocking that they're separate entities.

Double Ouch.

 

[BigDFan5]

Shocking that they're separate entities.

Now this is fall down funny

 

[silverbear]

Zero qualifications? You mean like Jerry Jones had when he installed himself as the general manager?

This statement truly shows how myopic and obtuse your train of thought here is.

No, Jerry had no qualifications to be GM when he gave himself that title... but that was some years ago, now he has the necessary qualifications...

And I have no wish to bring somebody else in for a little on the job training...

If there was someone born to be an NFL personnel executive, it is Ireland. He has been preparing for it his entire life.

He still has no practical experience in cap management, at all... that is one of the key elements of a general manager's job...

Everyone has to start somewhere.

Not for my Dallas Cowboys, they don't...

Just like our novice owner did when he made himself the general manager.

Just think about your argument here, hoss... you're savaging Jerry for having been a rotten general manager when he took on the job, largely because of his inexperience left him unqualfied for the position, now you want to bring in another inexperienced GM??

The flaw in your argument was Jerry as GM DIDN'T WORK, for about the first ten years... so why would you want to repeat a tactic that failed the team the first time around??

No, as much as I liked Ireland in the role he played for the Cowboys, I would not have been pleased at all if Jerry had offered him the GM's job...

Indeed, I'd suggest to you that Parcells hired Ireland because he wants a Jerry-type "puppet" in the role; Tuna will be making all the actual GM calls, you can count on it... the words might come out of Ireland's mouth, but Bill's hand will be pulling the strings...

 

[silverbear]

Either way, I think we'll be fine.

At the very least, I'm not gonna go off the deep end until I see how the Cowboys address their staff issues in the offseason... Jerry might go out and find somebody BRILLIANT to replace Gaine...

 

[theogt]

At the very least, I'm not gonna go off the deep end until I see how the Cowboys address their staff issues in the offseason... Jerry might go out and find somebody BRILLIANT to replace Gaine...

I prefer to think that Ireland, Gaine, and Parcells were so brilliant that they didn't need intelligent hard-working scouts beneath them. They had a staff full of idiots that we'll never be able to promote.

 

[windward]

At the very least, I'm not gonna go off the deep end until I see how the Cowboys address their staff issues in the offseason... Jerry might go out and find somebody BRILLIANT to replace Gaine...

LOL, and when they get a promotion on another team, well, you know the drill...

 

[windward]

I prefer to think that Ireland, Gaine, and Parcells were so brilliant that they didn't need intelligent hard-working scouts beneath them. They had a staff full of idiots that we'll never be able to promote.

That sounds about right.

 

[Alexander]

We've never had 2 personnel executives leave in the same year? Have we ever had a personnel executive leave to become a GM? Is it wholly unusual for a new GM to bring some people with him?

Answer this, have you ever seen a front office get "raided" before? I certainly haven't. What does that tell you? Does that suggest there are a bunch of motivated and happy executives who see upward mobility in their future? Or is it an indication that they all saw opportunity that they knew for a fact they would never see in Dallas?

 

[silverbear]

With several sets of eyes helping him.

And he will have several sets of eyes helping him again in the coming season... so I suggest we wait to find out who those eyes are before jumping to any conclusions...

If Larry Lacewell becomes the de facto head of talent evaluation again, I'll be as disgusted as you are, but until something like that happens, I see absolutely no reason to get all worked up...

Bill Parcells arrived in 2003. That changed the entire landscape, whether you or others will ever admit it. His eye for talent got this franchise back to the point it is at right now.

He helped a lot, but Jerry's moves last offseason-- sans Parcells-- helped too... this suggests that Jerry will not be lost without that ol' grump...

Nobody is stating Jones has evil intent.

Never suggested anybody did...

But he is a victim of his own ego and insecurity. Otherwise, there would be no reason to remind everyone at nearly every opportunity who exactly it is that makes the "final call".

He cannot help himself.

All that means is he likes attention... I really don't give a rat's patootie about what he says in an interview, I long ago learned to take what he says with a huge grain of salt... it's his ACTIONS you have to watch, and observing those actions these last couple-three years, I'm completely confident that he's a changed general manager...

You are going to lose members of the staff when you are successful.

But his reluctance to replace those lost in the process is what I have an issue with.

First, he's shown reluctance to replace exactly ONE staffer lost in the process so far, yet you make it sound like it's happening over and over and over again...

More important, Jerry might have perfectly sound, logical reasons for revamping the hierarchy in his scouting department a little, reasons that you're not privy to...

He tore down what Parcells left and rebuilt what existed prior to his departure.

Because he thinks the Boys can get by without hiring somebody to take Ireland's job title??!?

Don't be absurd... this is at worst a minor modification of that structure, not a "tearing down"... this is what I mean when I say you Jerry bashers go off the deep end at the slightest provocation...

Someone made a brilliant point earlier in that there has not been a mass exodus of individuals like this before. I have never seen anything like it.

Coaches, absolutely. Personnel executives? Never.

Maybe we never had a batch of personnel executives quite that good... but hey, guess who brought those guys in??

And if he could find those guys, what makes you so certain that he can't find other competent guys to help out??

 

[silverbear]

Welcone Zrin. What took you so long? It's good to see you, Bear, Ice, and BigDFan back. Are you guys getting the band back together...........?:

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We're on a Mission From God...

 

[Alexander]

I prefer to think that Ireland, Gaine, and Parcells were so brilliant that they didn't need intelligent hard-working scouts beneath them. They had a staff full of idiots that we'll never be able to promote.

That all depends. Parcells might not be finished. There is still Mike Murphy and Sam Garza to go.

Then the exodus will be complete and all that will be left are scouts that were here before Parcells arrived.

 

[theogt]

That sounds about right.

Surely it was Parcells himself digging through volumes of tapes of Northern Illinois, Monmouth University, and Grambling.

Seriously, though, is there an easier job than scouting players who are already playing professional football?

Answer this, have you ever seen a front office get "raided" before? I certainly haven't. What does that tell you? Does that suggest there are a bunch of motivated and happy executives who see upward mobility in their future? Or is it an indication that they all saw opportunity that they knew for a fact they would never see in Dallas?

I have no idea. I don't follow other teams closely enough to know when their 3rd or 4th in line personnel executive gets hired away. Given the constant churning of management throughout the league, I can't imagine it's too terribly unusual.

 

[windward]

Surely it was Parcells himself digging through volumes of tapes of Northern Illinois, Monmouth University, and Grambling.

Seriously, though, is there an easier job than scouting players who are already playing professional football?

I definitely don't think it's nearly as hard as college scouting.

I mean, what are you going to say, gee that Peyton Manning fella, he's pretty good.

 

[windward]

Surely it was Parcells himself digging through volumes of tapes of Northern Illinois, Monmouth University, and Grambling.

Seriously, though, is there an easier job than scouting players who are already playing professional football?

I have no idea. I don't follow other teams closely enough to know when their 3rd or 4th in line personnel executive gets hired away. Given the constant churning of management throughout the league, I can't imagine it's too terribly unusual.

You're obviously slacking.