FWST Blog: Assistant director of pro scouting Brian Gaine joins Dolphins

[AbeBeta]

You almost have to let them walk. You don't want disgruntled employees on your team. I don't know that it was a matter of money as we know Jerry is not a tightwad in that regard.

Jerry needs to take a serious look in the mirror and ask why his staff wants to bolt - especially if it isn't about money.

 

[silverbear]

I'd love to hear your best guess.

I don't have one... it may be that the Fins just threw a whole boatload of money at the guy, it may be that he has ties down in that area that makes the prospect of working there attractive to him, it may be that he idolizes Parcells, and wants to continue "studying" under him...

It may be that he has a psycho girlfriend living in the Metroplex, and his wife found out about it...

Why not? He's done it before.

And of course, people never, EVER change... they never grow, they never learn... never mind that Jerry has shown us signs of having done exactly that over these past couple-three years...

If Jerry was the egomaniac you believe he is, he would never have hired Bill Parcells... such an ego would NEVER allow itself to take second billing, for ANY reason...

So he now has one less executive, how is that keeping with the "new approach" that Parcells installed?

Gee, I dunno, maybe this was an organizational decision, arrived at in consultation with his other staff?? Maybe his own people have told him "we have the people we need to do the job already in place, we don't need somebody with that particular job title; it might be more efficient to have both departments reporting to somebody a wee bit higher up the chain of command"...

IOW, Jerry might think that this command structure would be more streamlined, more efficient...

When he starts rebuilding his personnel department with these new fresh young minds you keep saying he can attract, I will buy this.

I won't hold my breath.

No, instead you'll be sounding off long and loud about your reservations... guess you're the type who always anticipates the worst, so that he won't be disappointed when the worst happens, but he can be pleasantly surprised when it doesn't... me, I don't care to look at life, or the Dallas Cowboys, that way...

Particularly not when I can't see a single reason to believe what you do, other than Jerry screwed up 5-10 years ago...

That was then, this is now... we have plenty of evidence that Jerry has changed some over the years, when it comes to his managerial style...

Think about it this way-- all we heard last offseason, after Jerry hired Wade, was that Jerry had gone and brought in another Campo-esque "puppet"... well, is there anything about Wade's performance this years that suggested he had any strings attached to him??

Once again, the Jerry haters anticipated the worst, and once again, the worst never happened... yet you guys go on anticipating the worst, each and every time you're given half a reason to...

 

[silverbear]

Shocking that they're separate entities.

I purely hate people that top my jokes...

 

[silverbear]

I prefer to think that Ireland, Gaine, and Parcells were so brilliant that they didn't need intelligent hard-working scouts beneath them. They had a staff full of idiots that we'll never be able to promote.

Well, that goes without saying...

 

[theogt]

Jerry needs to take a serious look in the mirror and ask why his staff wants to bolt - especially if it isn't about money.

I thought it was clear to you why Jeff wanted to bolt, awesome opportunity and all. It's obvious as hell why we'd possibly lose Sparano and/or Garrett as a HC as well. Hell, I've said a dozen or so times since last season that Sparano would be gone in '08.

The only real "surprise" is Gaine, and that's not even a surprise. He was one of the only executives that Parcells specifically brought in. He was a full-on Parcells guy.

So what exactly is surprising here?

 

[silverbear]

That sounds about right.

I'm noticing something encouraging about this thread...

In years past, when the bash Jerry threads would start, I'd be one of a very small minority sticking up for him against the bashers... but this time around, the split between bashers and backers seems to be about 50-50...

Maybe Jerry's winning some of the haters over, slowly but surely... LOL...

 

[silverbear]

Answer this, have you ever seen a front office get "raided" before? I certainly haven't.

No, front office personnel ALWAYS stay with the team that brings them up...

 

[windward]

I'm noticing something encouraging about this thread...

In years past, when the bash Jerry threads would start, I'd be one of a very small minority sticking up for him against the bashers... but this time around, the split between bashers and backers seems to be about 50-50...

Maybe Jerry's winning some of the haters over, slowly but surely... LOL...

The man has shown signs of changing the way he previously operated (giving two first round picks for Galloway, signing over the hill players to ridiculous extensions, etc..) I believe in giving the man his due. Starting from the time he hired Parcells, I've been very happy with Jerry. He's earned the benefit of the doubt in my view.

 

[igtmfo]

Oh boy I get to trot out the late great Joel Buchsbaum's wisdom, it's deja vu all over again ...

I might add for those who forget: Jimmy brought in Lacewell in 1992 I think, right after Jerry "laid off" Mansperger, Ackles et al (immediately after their first Super Bowl win in the JJ/JJ era) ... Lacewell wasn't a Barry Switzer hire as commonly thought ... But I'm afraid old Lace had MUCH more to do with the mid-90s simply awful drafts than J Buchsbaum talks about here):

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"Owners should think twice about giving head coaches too much power
By Joel Buchsbaum
Aug. 30, 2002
Pro Football Weekly

The league is undergoing a trend now where many owners stop appreciating the personnel departments and make the coaches the superstars. This originally started in Dallas with Jimmy Johnson, where Johnson got the reputation as a brilliant personnel man.

In part, he deserved those accolades, but Dallas also had a brilliant scouting staff led by Dick Mansperger, with people such as Jeff Smith and Bob Ackles assisting.

The reason the Cowboys dropped off — although it took a few years — was because they did a poor job of drafting and trading after they dismantled key portions of the scouting staff.

Mansperger was one of the best and most unheralded scouting directors in the NFL. Smith was also a yeoman’s scout, and Ackles was a brilliant organizer, and front-office man, who played a key role in the Herschel Walker steal. Without all these men, Cowboys president Jerry Jones and his son tried to do too many things themselves and as a result, the Cowboys had some disastrous trades, in combination with some poor drafts. At times, they traded up for players that they could’ve gotten a round later and they were also picking up players that no one else wanted and paying exorbitant prices for players.

To give you an example of the contrast, in 1989, when Johnson took over shortly before the draft and relied heavily on the material Mansperger and his scouts supplied, the Cowboys drafted QB Troy Aikman in the first round, FB Daryl Johnston in the second round, C Mark Stepnoski in the third round and DE Tony Tolbert in the fourth round. They also would’ve taken DL Marvin Washington in the fifth round, except Johnson overruled and took a player from Florida, DL Jeff Roth, whom he had faced when he coached Miami. One year later, Dallas got RB Emmitt Smith, WR Alexander Wright, DB Kenny Gant and DT Jimmie Jones. The following years, in 1991 and ’92, they got DT Russell Maryland, WR Alvin Harper, LB Dixon Edwards, LB Godfrey Myles, OT Erik Williams, DT Leon Lett, CB Larry Brown, CB Kevin Smith, LB Robert Jones, WR Jimmy Smith and S Darren Woodson.

By 1993, a good portion of the scouting staff had been dismantled. In ’94, with Jones running the draft, Dallas traded up in the first round to select Arizona State DE Shante Carver, who most teams regarded as a late second-round pick. In ’95, Jones traded his first-round pick for two second-round picks, then wound up taking RB Sherman Williams, TE Kendell Watkins and OG Shane Hannah in the second round. A year later, once again, he traded out of the first round, and the only players he had to show out of that draft were DE Kavika Pittman and LB Randall Godfrey. In ’97, he traded up for TE David LaFleur.

By ’98, Jones started to give the scouts more input and had Larry Lacewell in charge of the draft. The reason why the Cowboys are nearly a contending team now is because they drafted quality players like DE Greg Ellis, OT Flozell Adams, DL Michael Myers, DE Ebenezer Ekuban, OT Solomon Page, LB Dat Nguyen, OL Kelvin Garmon, CB Mario Edwards, S Roy Williams and OG-C Andre Gurode."

 

[Dodger12]

And who are you? Sorry but all you trolls kinda merge after a while .... are you the guy who guaranteed Romo would never recover from last years game? Or the guy who said we only got a new stadium because of Bill Parcells?

Great to see you're as friendly and lighthearted as always. It should make you happy know that I rarely get you confused with your ilk. You're the one waving the pom poms and offering words of encouragement while you hide behind other posters who try and articulate their position in a post with more than one sentence.

But, unfortunately for you, you're wrong again. This is what I stated at the end of January, 2007, prior to Wade being hired, with regards to the team and Romo. Doesn't really sound like I made a guarantee that Romo would never recover from last years game (which I never posted about).

.....I truely believe that this team is built with the right pieces in place to win. It's too bad that Parcells couldn't do it but it wouldn't suprise me in the least if the next coach wins 11 plus games next season ands makes some noise in the playoffs, especially if Romo is the real deal. But what's going to happen come draft day 2007 and beyond? Who will continue to build this team and continue to add to the foundation already in place? If Phillips is hired, he knows that he's in it for the short term until JG is ready. What input will Phillips have in drafting players, cutting players, etc. and will Jerry allow him that input and/or final say?

There was also an extended discusssion here quite some time ago regarding the stadium and it was my belief that BP gave Jerry the coaching credibility that a guy like Campo couldn't when it came time to propose a new stadium (or something along those lines). Good marketing and good business sense. I expected nothing less from Jerry Jones in that respect.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I wait to see how this all plays out before I panic. Jerry could have said no to Gaine leaving.

 

[DCBoysfan]

this is really getting frustrating!

 

[Use Your Illusion]

I thought it was clear to you why Jeff wanted to bolt, awesome opportunity and all. It's obvious as hell why we'd possibly lose Sparano and/or Garrett as a HC as well. Hell, I've said a dozen or so times since last season that Sparano would be gone in '08.

The only real "surprise" is Gaine, and that's not even a surprise. He was one of the only executives that Parcells specifically brought in. He was a full-on Parcells guy.

So what exactly is surprising here?

It's not surprising to me, it's disappointing. Jeff Ireland left because he wanted to be a GM, which he couldn't do here with our Fake GM holding court. Brian Gaine wanted to leave to continue working under Ireland.

All could have been avoided if the Fake GM would have stepped off his throne, but no, he's here and he's calling all the shots.

Can't wait to hear what Jerry has to say about this.."Brian Gaine was an information gatherer."

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think the fans of the Dallas Cowboys gave him multiple opportunities to prove himself running solo. I know that was a very tiring process that I don't want to see repeated.

Nor am I very forgiving that I want to give him another slugger's try. The results were concrete and undeniable.

Yet, you feel compelled to give him another chance.

That is your right I suppose, but you are taking a leap of faith that denies the facts that Jones has demonstrated over and over again when he attempts to run his ship solo.

Dude, you are on a public message board. Jerry could give a rats arse if you are willing to give him another try or not. Last time I checked, Jerry owns the franchise and it is worth almost $1.5 billion.

You got that type of coin? If you do, then go buy the team and make all the "correct decisions". Otherwise, you are just a fan and you have absolutely 0% impact on the team or on what Jerry does.

You are an observer just like the rest of us so you can either start being a little more postive about the situation or you can moan and groan about something you have absolutely no control over.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Now if only we can get Cowlishaw, JJT, and LBOH to go to Miami, too...

 

[AmishCowboy]

Now if only we can get Cowlishaw, JJT, and LBOH to go to Miami, too...

Good One!, don't forget Galloway and Hanson.

 

[Nors]

Jerry looks real bad with the personell guys are not leaving till after draft and no coaches leaving mantra.

The pillage is just starting. Parcells built our scouting department then stole it back.

I noticed Larry Lacewell was not hired by the Tuna? damn

 

[Dave_in-NC]

It makes no sense to move to a team where you're a good bet to FAIL, either... the Fins won't be winners for at least a couple-three years, and all of the staff associated with them while they're losers will pick up that taint, leaving them less desirable commodities when they're back on the open market...

I would agree with this IF they indeed fail. Certainly there is that chance.
I don't think they will though. Parcells is proving to be the best at rebuilding lost franchises and even better when he has his team of people around him.

People also have to understand Miami needs more help than we did. It will take quite a while to get them even respectable. IF (that's a huge if) these guys could get Miami close to 500 next season it will be considered a success by most. Any thing better than that in the next few seasons these guys will be geniuses.

If we drop off, Jones will be the idiot. Warranted or not.

 

[noletime95]

I would agree with this IF they indeed fail. Certainly there is that chance.
I don't think they will though. Parcells is proving to be the best at rebuilding lost franchises and even better when he has his team of people around him.

People also have to understand Miami needs more help than we did. It will take quite a while to get them even respectable. IF (that's a huge if) these guys could get Miami close to 500 next season it will be considered a success by most. Any thing better than that in the next few seasons these guys will be geniuses.

If we drop off, Jones will be the idiot. Warranted or not.

I hope no one is calling any billionaire an idiot. But.....If we drop off, it is Jones fault for continuing to be the GM of the organization. As I've stated before, my fear is that Dallas needs a coach that is a great talent evaluator to be successful long term.

 

[cowboyed]

So, Big Bill builds up the Cowboys, and then raids them. How much did JJ pay BP over the years?

Here is an irony Jeff Ireland was a scout on the Cowboys team since the late 90s so he preceded Bill Parcells.