FWST Blog: Assistant director of pro scouting Brian Gaine joins Dolphins

[windward]

It is the perfect foil to your excessive and unfounded optimism.

The kvetching is based off a substantial and documented series of events regarding the draft and personnel from 1994-2003. Jerry Jones' track record during that time period is undeniably dismal. One thing that he was missing was a conscious. Now, he is right back to that state.

Your viewpoint is based of a singular off-season, with people like Ireland and Gaine in place to assist, not to mention Bill Parcells around for several weeks to help transition into the draft and head coaching search.

I'd say you are the one who is a bit "premature".

and you know that how,precisely? Just because our drafts were dismal in that time does not mean that the franchise will go down the tubes again. You fail to consider that Jones maybe learned something on how to run a football team in the past five years.

You say I am prematurely giving Jones credit for this offseason. Yet we have people who are acting as if the foundation of the team has been destroyed before FA and the draft.

I'm an agnostic on the issue, really. Jerry may succeed and he may screw things up. We don't know yet. I will not excoriate Jerry for events that have yet to occur.

Which sounds premature to you, someone who is willing to give Jerry an opportunity this offseason to improve this team or those who have already consigned us to 5-11 hell?

 

[windward]

We're sure glad you're enjoying it so much... you must be a Skins fan...

Dangit, silverbear, are you ready for the offseason of the Jerry bashers?

 

[Alexander]

so it's GM or nothing here in dallas? garrett didn't advance? sprano isn't advancing his career by showing what he can do in dallas? gaine has GM aspirations that will be seen in miami? or is that sprano? or is that...um...ireland?

Who is talking about the coaching opportunities? That is a completely separate thing, unless Jones decides to make himself a coach one day too. And he has thought about that also, unfortunately.

Put yourself in Gaine's shoes.

You were recruited by Parcells and came to Dallas to work alongside him and eventually Ireland. You worked hard and had success.

Meanwhile, Parcells decides to leave. Ireland follows suit a year later.

Your boss decides not to replace Ireland's position (which is probably what would be considered the next step in the ladder) and states that he will not replace Ireland's job in the future and makes it clear that it will continue to function as it has.

What room for advancement is evident?

Take your time.

 

[silverbear]

You almost have to let them walk. You don't want disgruntled employees on your team.

And you don't want to get a reputation of being an owner who stands in the way of his people bettering themselves... get that rep, and nobody worth a hammered crap will ever come to work for you...

But hey, let's all rip on Jerry, for stuff that's entirely beyond his control... that's a game that seems to be extremely popular at all times in here... when you get good, people raid your talent... the Cowboys aren't the first team this has happened to, and the sky is not falling...

 

[silverbear]

Damn it. We need to make a competent hire.

Yeah, by all means let's turn our focus to hiring staff for next year, while we're in the middle of the playoffs...

 

[Alexander]

Which sounds premature to you, someone who is willing to give Jerry an opportunity this offseason to improve this team or those who have already consigned us to 5-11 hell?

I think the fans of the Dallas Cowboys gave him multiple opportunities to prove himself running solo. I know that was a very tiring process that I don't want to see repeated.

Nor am I very forgiving that I want to give him another slugger's try. The results were concrete and undeniable.

Yet, you feel compelled to give him another chance.

That is your right I suppose, but you are taking a leap of faith that denies the facts that Jones has demonstrated over and over again when he attempts to run his ship solo.

 

[BigDFan5]

145 post thread about a guy most of you didnt even know existed 1 week ago, good times

 

[silverbear]

Wow, deja vu!!!

This board sounds JUST like it did when Parcells up and quit on us this past offseason... oh man, did gloom and doom rein in there THEN...

How utterly predictable this board has become... it will jump at any opportunity to press the panic button...

 

[theebs]

Who is talking about the coaching opportunities? That is a completely separate thing, unless Jones decides to make himself a coach one day too. And he has thought about that also, unfortunately.

Put yourself in Gaine's shoes.

You were recruited by Parcells and came to Dallas to work alongside him and eventually Ireland. You worked hard and had success.

Meanwhile, Parcells decides to leave. Ireland follows suit a year later.

Your boss decides not to replace Ireland's position (which is probably what would be considered the next step in the ladder) and states that he will not replace Ireland's job in the future and makes it clear that it will continue to function as it has.

What room for advancement is evident?

Take your time.

This thread should just end with this post. It is dead on. The next step up for gaine is Irelands former position. The next step up from there is Stephens position, and the final step the gm is Jerry's.

Why would a talented man in his early 40s stay when the best he can accomplish is to know he has leveled off professionally. It makes no sense.

 

[windward]

Yeah, by all means let's turn our focus to hiring staff for next year, while we're in the middle of the playoffs...

Whoa, whoa I am not talking about hiring someone immediately. We have bigger fish to fry at the moment.

I am not thrilled at losing Gaine and do feel that making a good hire is beneficial to the long term health of the franchise. My statement you quoted was just disappointment that we lost Gaine. What I am also not is one of those who has damned this team to 5-11 just because we lost a couple of scouts. I think Jerry will hire a solid replacement for Gaine.

We're on the same side of the debate here, I don't want to be a victim of friendly fire.

 

[silverbear]

What have we seen from him the last week? He downplays Ireland's departure as a non-factor, and reasserts that he's the one making decisions.

A pep talk intended to forestall precisely the kind of knee-jerk panic we're seeing in here at this very moment...

I see nothing that convinces me that the Jerry Jones from 2002 isn't firmly in command of this football team.

And you've seen nothing that should convince you that's the case, so I guess you're just believing what you WANT to believe, whether there's evidence to support believing it or not...

From Jones' own mouth, you can tell this one was tough to swallow.

And yet, you blame him for it... think about that for a minute...

 

[silverbear]

So the franchise is destroyed, right?

Time to get you a lead-lined umbrella, to protect you from all those pieces of falling sky...

 

[Alexander]

And you don't want to get a reputation of being an owner who stands in the way of his people bettering themselves... get that rep, and nobody worth a hammered crap will ever come to work for you...

But hey, let's all rip on Jerry, for stuff that's entirely beyond his control...

How is it beyond his control?

He stated in very certain terms that there was no room to advance.

He isn't even carrying on the pretense that there is by refusing to replace upper level executive positions in personnel like what Ireland occupied.

It is his team and he can do what he likes with it, including run it into the ground.

But it is incorrect to suggest that these circumstances are all absolutely out of his control. He could elect to step aside as general manager. He could create another rung in the ladder for his personnel executives to shoot for, rather than simply elevate himself and make the gap further.

If "out of his control" means that his ego makes it impossible, then we agree.

As for getting people here to work, now that he has made it clear that the highest level you can attain is "assistant director of pro (or college) scouting" what up and coming personnel executive worth a "hammered crap" is going to aspire to be in that position?

 

[windward]

I think the fans of the Dallas Cowboys gave him multiple opportunities to prove himself running solo. I know that was a very tiring process that I don't want to see repeated.

Nor am I very forgiving that I want to give him another slugger's try. The results were concrete and undeniable.

Yet, you feel compelled to give him another chance.

That is your right I suppose, but you are taking a leap of faith that denies the facts that Jones has demonstrated over and over again when he attempts to run his ship solo.

You assume that the organizational structure and the way information ius gathered and processed will immediately revert to pre-Parcells levels.

If Jerry goes into the FA and draft and acts in a manner like he did pre-Parcells (reaching for questionable players and mortgaging our future )then I'll be right with you. But I will give him the opportunity to see if he is successful or not in acquiring talent.

 

[Alexander]

And yet, you blame him for it... think about that for a minute...

It could have been tough to swallow because he had been talking for several days that everything was fine because he had a college director (Ciskowski) and a pro director (Gaine).

His disappointment could also be the result of having a defection he wasn't prepared for.

 

[silverbear]

Ireland is employed and working for Miami,

We get no compensation -

No, the Boys don't have to pay the Fins for Ireland going to work for them...

You WERE talking about the Fins when you said "we", weren't you?? And when exactly did you switch from being a Pats fan to being a Fins fan??

You really have to keep us up to date on your allegiances, Nors, it's quite dizzying, trying to keep with them...

 

[Alexander]

You assume that the organizational structure and the way information ius gathered and processed will immediately revert to pre-Parcells levels.

The organizational structure has already reverted. There is no VP of college and pro scouting anymore. There is now the GM and two junior level assistants, well maybe even one if Jones believes that Gaine is unnecesary as well.

If Jerry goes into the FA and draft and acts in a manner like he did pre-Parcells (reaching for questionable players and mortgaging our future )then I'll be right with you. But I will give him the opportunity to see if he is successful or not in acquiring talent.

You are more forgiving than I am then. I have already experienced it and I don't want it repeated.

 

[silverbear]

This is what happens when you have a deluded oil man who thinks he is a bonafide NFL general manager.

Scouts know there is a ceiling to their advancement here because Jones will never give up his fake GM duties.

The ones in Dallas are constantly on the lookout for better jobs where advancement is possible.

So if the Cowboys personel heads down the shatter you know exactly who to blame yet again.

Don't blame Bill Parcells.

Blame Jerry Jones for not being man enough to admit he isn't a GM and step aside for Jeff Ireland.

Jerry would have been an idiot to promote Ireland to GM, the guy has zero qualifications for the job... evaluating talent is his strength, and that's just one part of being a GM... he has to negotiate contracts, with the salary cap in mind at all times, and in that area, Jeff has no experience at all...

Just because Parcells made a questionable decision, that doesn't mean Jerry should make an even more questionable decision...

 

[silverbear]

oh lord. i didn't know this was national drama queen day.

what if we keep winning? will you just shift your hatred around a bit or admit jones has learned?

while we're playing "what if" you see....

Even if the Boys hoist the Lombardi Trophy this year, and win two or three more in a row, a few of the posters in this thread will never, ever give Jerry ANY credit...

Jerry is their designated scapegoat, and that won't ever change... they probably blame him for global warming, and al-Qaida...

 

[windward]

The organizational structure has already reverted. There is no VP of college and pro scouting anymore. There is now the GM and two junior level assistants, well maybe even one if Jones believes that Gaine is unnecesary as well.



You are more forgiving than I am then. I have already experienced it and I don't want it repeated.

Hell I've experienced it too. But I reiterate, let's see what Jerry does before we crucify him this time.