FWST Blog: Dan Reeves Speaks

[Shake_Tiller]

The team is built to win the SUper Bowl NOW... It isn't built to win the SUper Bowl based upon some hunch that Garrett will develop into some quality HC some day... There is a reason Jerry Jones went out and got Roy WIlliams as the second WR...

The funny thing is, all the homers proclaimed that the offense would become unstoppable with all the talent... Now, injuries are an excuse, when all the Cowboys needed to do is win one more game...

What?

 

[Hostile]

If that's the case, then bringing up Garrett's job down here ( Miami ) is pointless. The OC for the Dullphins was the head coach: Cam Cameron. Yes, the same Cameron who couldn't do anything with Harrington, Ferrotte, or Beck, but has all of the sudden become a genius with Flaco.

Nice job.

 

[Randy White]

Oh, I'm not saying that Joey Harrington's play is an indictment of Garrett.

But I think it's fair to ask that your young annointed one show at least some signs of developing someone before he's handed the keys to the kingdom.

Ok, who did Josh McDaniels developed ?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Oh, I get it, the jealousy is that Garrett has not been bounced around from failed team experiment to failed team experiment.

It just gets sillier.

Tom Landry was named the DC of the Giants while he was still playing for them. he went from DC straight to Head Coach right out of uniform and into his coat and fedora. He certainly wasn't a DC for 3 different teams before he got his shot. Heck he was never even a position coach.

But Landry PRODUCED as a DC. He had outstanding defenses for several years in NY for teams that went to championship games.

I've asked it before, but seriously: If Garrett looked like, say, Kevin Gilbride, had a degree from Mississippi State, and never backed up Troy, would his supporters feel the same way about him?

Honestly?

 

[khiladi]

Oh, I get it, the jealousy is that Garrett has not been bounced around from failed team experiment to failed team experiment.

It just gets sillier.

Tom Landry was named the DC of the Giants while he was still playing for them. he went from DC straight to Head Coach right out of uniform and into his coat and fedora. He certainly wasn't a DC for 3 different teams before he got his shot. Heck he was never even a position coach.

What are you talking about, failed experiment to failed experiment? I never said Todd Haley was great, but he sure is greater than Garrett, priamrily because of his experience. Sad, when Haley is better than Garrett..

So Tom Landry, one of the, if not, greatest coach to play the game is the standard rule and not the EXCEPTION.

I'm sure there was a poor person who spent his money week in and week out on buying the lottery ticket, eventually winning millions of dollars, but that doesn't negate the hundreds of thousands of poor people that waste away their money trying to do the same thing, but failing.

The former poor person isn't a great example of how to manage money, now is he?

 

[khiladi]

Ok, who did Josh McDaniels developed ?

Uh yes...

 

[Stash]

Ok.

So that means most teams around the league should fire their head coaches, assistant coaches, don't draft anybody, and only sign proven winners and experienced pro bowlers to their rosters.

My hero ( Randy White ) is available. Jerrah needs to get on the phone right now.

How about hiring a guy with a resume?

How about hiring a guy based on his qualifications rather than nostalgia?

How about keeping a guy around based on job performance rather than comfort level?

Garrett was fast-tracked to a coordinator and head-coach-in-waiting before he ever had the track record of being able to be a position coach.

But how can we dare to question Jason Garrett?

I mean it's Jason Garrett!

 

[jterrell]

Oh, I'm not saying that Joey Harrington's play is an indictment of Garrett.

But I think it's fair to ask that your young annointed one show at least some signs of developing someone before he's handed the keys to the kingdom.

Who did Jimmy Johnson develop or Tom Landry for that matter?

Did Bill Parcells develop Lawrence Taylor? How many coaches can say I took a guy who sucked and made him great? Did anyone develop Brady? Or was Brady just a guy who had certain intangibles that showed up when he actually played the game but had been overlooked by every sharp football mind in the country?

I am against Red Jesus as head coach here anytime soon just so you know but the arguments against him right now are failing basic logic based on what happens in this league.

I do not want a raw rookie coach.
I preferred Wade over Singletary and still do. I have little doubt which one wins more Super Bowl as a head coach but Singletary may be years away from those and might well learn some tough lessons along the way.

Garrett, like Mike has an unlimited upside in coaching but he may also hit a few nasty bumps along the way. I'd rather not have out talented group serve as the cushion to those road bumps.

I am seriously in doubt about what our offense will do but think Garrett and T.O. are victims of the same thing: Perception.

If we are healthier in 2008 then T.O. is better, he complains less, we win more, he gets accolades. Garrett gets a head coaching job almost certainly or just handed this one.

 

[khiladi]

If that's the case, then bringing up Garrett's job down here ( Miami ) is pointless. The OC for the Dullphins was the head coach: Cam Cameron. Yes, the same Cameron who couldn't do anything with Harrington, Ferrotte, or Beck, but has all of the sudden become a genius with Flaco.

He was also HEAD COACH, given more responsibilities... He was OC at San Diego with Wade, and they surely didn't suck it up then...

In fact, the whole analogy proves the opposite of your claim. When given more responsibilities, Cad didn't get the job done. When going back to an OC, he did...

It's like Garrett... When given more responsibilities, he sucked it up... Difference is, Garrett didn't do anything even when a QB coach..

Cad Cameron did something with San Diego to get offered a head coaching job... Garrett didn't do anything to get the position he had..

You see, more errant analogies...

 

[Shake_Tiller]

But Landry PRODUCED as a DC. He had outstanding defenses for several years in NY for teams that went to championship games.

I've asked it before, but seriously: If Garrett looked like, say, Kevin Gilbride, had a degree from Mississippi State, and never backed up Troy, would his supporters feel the same way about him?

Honestly?

But CL, depending upon perspective, one might argue that Garrett has produced. This hasn't been a bad offense, and while some think it has underachieved, that is a matter of perception. If I assume Owens is still a top five NFL WR, it has underachieved. But I don't make that assumption. If one places Owens, these days, closer to mid-tier, which I do, I'm not sure the offense has underachieved, in terms of total body of work.

 

[ethiostar]

Some rankings for the offense 2007 & 2008

2007
Scoring------- 2nd (only behind the Pats)
Total Yards---3rd (Only behind the pats and GB)
Recieving-----4th (behind pats, GB & NO)
Passing ------4th (behind pats, GB & NO)
TDs----------2nd (only behind the pats)
Rushing------17th


2008
Scoring ----18th
Total Yards-13th
Recieving---9th
Passing-----9th
TDs--------10th
Rushing-----21st

There is no question there was a drop-off in production for the offense. Considering we lost Felix Jones, Kosier, Romo (3 games), Austin (don't know how many games), and Barber (a few games) i don't know what the expectation should have been in 2008 for Garrett.

No doubt that defenses caught up to him after a stellar first year as an OC and he might have had trouble adjusting. But to say that he is no longer an option for Dallas is a bit premature. The guy is only removed one year from putting together an offensive machine that was overshadowed only by the Pats who were playing lights out.

I think the guy deserves at least one more chance.

 

[Randy White]

But Landry PRODUCED as a DC. He had outstanding defenses for several years in NY for teams that went to championship games.

I've asked it before, but seriously: If Garrett looked like, say, Kevin Gilbride, had a degree from Mississippi State, and never backed up Troy, would his supporters feel the same way about him?

Honestly?

Perhaps not. But I tell you something, it's actually a reflection on me ( as in being prejudice ) than on the coach. I'll give you a perfect example:

David Lee.

When he left he Cowboys, I thought it wasn't a big deal. Just another assistant who didn't make any waves or, in my mind, produced anything. He wasn't " known " or a big name. Now, I'd love for him to come back to the Cowboys even if it's as an OC with Garrett taking over as the HC.

 

[Hostile]

But Landry PRODUCED as a DC. He had outstanding defenses for several years in NY for teams that went to championship games.

I've asked it before, but seriously: If Garrett looked like, say, Kevin Gilbride, had a degree from Mississippi State, and never backed up Troy, would his supporters feel the same way about him?

Honestly?

Tom Landry still was thrust into the role as DC because of his sheer knowledge of the game and that is irrefutable.

Garrett's Alma Mater means nothing to me at all. I wouldn't care if he had his degree from any school. I have never once brought up his Princeton education as a selling point that I am aware of.

His looks mean nothing to me at all. He could be a fat slob or a midget. I wouldn't care as long as he knew football.

He could have backed up Quincy Carter for all I care. Steve Beuerlein backed up Troy, why am I not calling for him to get into coaching? Randall Cunningham backed up Troy. Why am I not calling for him? Bernie Kosar, Clint Stoerner, Kevin Sweeney, Bill Musgrave? Who he backed up is irrelevant to me.

I am being honest.

For the record let me also state that I have similarly had coaching hopes for Dat Nguyen, Marco Rivera, and Zach Thomas that I have shared on this forum. None of them went to Princeton, have red hair, or backed up Troy Aikman. The common denominator is an intelligence for the game wherein they actually coach teammates and coaches praise them for it.

 

[khiladi]

The word for today is Potential.

Good grief, this is lame. If this were a horse I'd shoot it.

When a person shows potential, you nurture that potential. Further, potential is based upon something tangible, and what potential did Garrett show in coaching to get an OC job? He's showed that he can't adjust and is in over his head...

 

[Randy White]

Uh yes...

" Uh yes "? who's Uh yes and what team does he plays for ?

 

[Stash]

Garrett told Owens to run right at the double teams?

Link?

I guess those weren't Garrett's routes then?

They weren't the offensive coordinators' routes?

Let me guess, Owens went into business for himself out there right?

Couldn't possibly be Garrett's fault.

 

[Hostile]

How about hiring a guy with a resume?

How about hiring a guy based on his qualifications rather than nostalgia?

How about keeping a guy around based on job performance rather than comfort level?

Garrett was fast-tracked to a coordinator and head-coach-in-waiting before he ever had the track record of being able to be a position coach.

But how can we dare to question Jason Garrett?

I mean it's Jason Garrett!

Once again, you are questioning Jason Garrett and no one is stopping you.

If you don't like being disagreed with on a topic...oh well.

 

[Hostile]

I guess those weren't Garrett's routes then?

They weren't the offensive coordinators' routes?

Let me guess, Owens went into business for himself out there right?

Couldn't possibly be Garrett's fault.

So you can't show me where he was told to run right into double coverage?

I didn't think you could even though that was the claim.

 

[khiladi]

" Uh yes "? who does Uh yes plays for ?

McDaniels has been in coaching a long time, unlike Garrett. He didn't just walk into the OC position at NE, like Garrett did with the Cowboys. He also developed the QB sitting in for Brady right now, a guy that didn't sniff the playing field as a starter since like high school. On the other hand, Tony Romo went down and this offense went caput, just like last year, when TO got hurt, this offense went caput. Should I mention Wes Walker as well?

Talent overcomes the incompetence of Jason Garrett on this offense. If Tony Romo couldn't avoid a rush with his feet, we wouldn't sniff 9 wins.

 

[Hostile]

When a person shows potential, you nurture that potential. Further, potential is based upon something tangible, and what potential did Garrett show in coaching to get an OC job? He's showed that he can't adjust and is in over his head...

That is your opinion, not a fact, and I don't agree.