FWST: BLOG: Garrett makes an impression

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Alexander;2566730 said:
Oh the poor wretch. I take it all back. He's just the unluckiest man alive.

It's not his fault. He's only a lousy coach on days that end in "y."
 

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khiladi;2566740 said:
Rhetoric... You can't argue with facts...

Brady, 4 INTs..

Music City 'miracle' was an illegal pass...

Garrett goes back to being Garrett, throwing the ball... even then, Crayton dropped wide open passes...

From a coaching stand-point, not a single thing had to do with his scheme...

I did not say it had anything to do with his scheme.

But you keep on and on about the 4 interceptions. His defense gave up the TD after Brown recovered the ball. His defense allowed the 2 point conversion to tie the game. His defense allowed the long completion to Reche Caldwell for the GW FG.

Try this on for size. We sacked Flacco how many times? There some beefy statistics for you. Yet it was just two little mistakes that brought the whole thing down. He called those run blitzes by the way. Nevermind. Poor unlucky Wade. Perfect scheme. Perfect plan. Those darn players and that bad luck again. Maybe this is HIS year. THE year. When the players finally execute what he calls and the bad luck stops.

Last I checked, Wade Phillips was the head coach of this team, not just the defensive coordinator. Just like he was the head coach in Buffalo and in Denver before that.

You want facts? Okay. No playoff wins. Ever.

Rhetoric. Can't argue with facts.
 

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Alexander;2566748 said:
I did not say it had anything to do with his scheme.

But you keep on and on about the 4 interceptions.

Try this on for size. We sacked Flacco how many times? There some beefy statistics for you. Yet it was just two little mistakes that brought the whole thing down. He called those run blitzes by the way. Nevermind. Poor unlucky Wade. Perfect scheme. Perfect plan. Those darn players and that bad luck again.

Last I checked, Wade Phillips was the head coach of this team, not just the defensive coordinator. Just like he was the head coach in Buffalo and in Denver before that.

You want facts? Okay. No playoff wins. Ever.

Rhetoric. Can't argue with facts.

Garrett had five 3 and outs in the second and third quarter, and 2 4 and outs. They had some 5 and outs as well. garrett's chunk the ball downfield killed the Cowboys defense. There was only one drive in the fourth that the TOP was 6 minutes long. Even when the offense scored, it was because the Ravens pretty much played prevent. It's called an exhausted defense. Funny, how the same thing happened to that greatly coached team in Miami with Sparano, isn't it? McGinnest blows off that long run 40 plus yard run... How many times did Emmitt score on long runs in the fourth, despite defense knowing it was coming? Those run blitzes BTW, they were the right calls.. It surely wasn't Wade's fault the defense was exhausted, and Spencer over-pursued the play and broke his assignment.

The reason the Ravens one was because Cad Cameron actually ran the ball and didn't try and take shots downfield. He limited the game of Flacco and controlled him, unlike the hero of the day, Garrett. Even then, Flacco had two INTs, but the offense couldn't do jack squat with it. That loss was on the offense. The only thing you can blame the defense for was the last two TDs and even then, it was because they were exhausted.. Your right, you can't argue with facts...

BTW, the Ravens scored a TD on the defense, with a fake field goal.

Funny how Ed Reed even blamed Garrett, and said Wade was doing his job...
 

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khiladi;2566758 said:
Garrett had five 3 and outs in the second and third quarter, and 2 4 and outs. They had some 5 and outs as well. garrett's chunk the ball downfield killed the Cowboys defense. There was only one drive in the fourth that the TOP was 6 minutes long. Even when the offense scored, it was because the Ravens pretty much played prevent. It's called an exhausted defense. Funny, how the same thing happened to that greatly coached team in Miami with Sparano, isn't it? McGinnest blows off that long run, you know... Amazing what happens when Cad Cameron runs the ball...

And you know, thos run blitzes... They were the right calls.. It surely wasn't his fault for the fact that defense was exhausted, and Spencer over-pursued the play and broke his assignment.

Flacco had two INTs, but the offense couldn't do jack squat with it...

Like I said, you can't argue with facts... That loss was on the offense..

BTW, the Ravens scored a TD on the defense, with a fake field goal.

The only thing you can blame the defense for was the last two TDs and even then, it was because they were exhausted..

What? The offense clicked right along in the fourth quarter until the two runs broke the defense's back.

Can't argue with facts? You use hypotheticals and argue that. If Brown didn't cause the fumble, if the offense did its job, if the forward pass as called illegal. If, if, if. Excuse, excuse, excuse. No wonder you like Phillips so much. You think just like he does.

Phillips defense gave up the game-winning points. Fact or not?

You really need to stop using the word fact, because you really have no idea what it means.
 

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Alexander;2566764 said:
What? The offense clicked right along in the fourth quarter until the two runs broke the defense's back.

Can't argue with facts? You use hypotheticals and argue that. If, if, if.

Phillips defense gave up the game-winning points. Fact or not?

You really need to stop using the word fact, because you really have no idea what it means.

The offense didn't 'click'. The offense went hurry-up and reduced Garrett's coaching to a minimum. The defenses also were playing prevent. Like when the Ravens went prevent against Miami, and allowed them a couple of points. That same offense went clicking against the Eagles as well, in the same hurry-up mode and ended up with two TOs. That's what happens when you have no offensive coaching and oyur offense 'clicks'. That is how this team scores and that is why it is so inconsistent, sucking the very next week... That is the staple of the Cowboys offense... Hurry-up mode..

Your whole argument is predicated on some absurd conclusio that the last two series of a game are in no way impacted by what goes own for those three quarters besides it. As if the body doesn't get tired after playing for 3 and a half quarters of sound defensive football... The Dallas offense had five 3 and outs, five 3 and outs in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. Count em. These pathetic series also included two 4 and outs, count them, two four and outs. The Ravens followed these pathetic drives up with ball-control and running the clock.

My idea of fact is surely clearer than your idea of fact...

Flacco had two INTs.. That is a fact. We couldn't do jack squat wiht it.

That game was on the offense...
 

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:starspin I AGREE WITH NEXTGENBOYS GOOD POINT, ALL OF OUR ASST COACHES THAT LEFT HAVE SUCCEEDED.
BUT EVERY BLOGGER WANTS EVERY1 TO BE GONE AND JUST HIRE A NEW EVERYTHING.
EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT ROMO THIS ROMO THAT WE ALL SAW WHAT WE DID WHEN HE WAS OUT. AND MAYBE HE CAN DEVELOPE INTO THE QB HE NEEDS TO BE IF OUR SORRY *** OLINE DECIDES TO PLAY.
WE HAVE PLAYERS WHO ARE GETTIN PAID TOP MONEY AND ARE NOT PRODUCING EXAMPLE K.HAMLIN AND
TNEW. G.ELLIS, TANK, FLO ADAMS, NEED TO GO ASAP...
 

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khiladi;2566783 said:
My idea of fact is surely clearer than your idea of fact...

Flacco had two INTs.. That is a fact. We couldn't do jack squat wiht it.

Are you deranged?

This is what Flacco did in that game:

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CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Flacco 17/25 149 1 0

FACT. I can stop making you look like a complete imbecile anytime you say.

That game was on the offense...

I will pretend that your "fact" of Flacco having two INTs is indeed reality and not a product of your sad little imagination now.

And Brady had four INTs. Yes, I know. You like to think that "facts" prove your hypotheses but they don't.

In that game, Phillips defense just happened to give up the TD, 2 point conversion and the final FG that won the game. You just continue on with the primitive logic that it was not his fault.
 

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khiladi;2566783 said:
Flacco had two INTs.. That is a fact. We couldn't do jack squat wiht it.

That game was on the offense...

You must have been watching a different game. Flacco threw zero interceptions.
 

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bbgun;2566796 said:
You must have been watching a different game. Flacco threw zero interceptions.

He meant two fumbles.

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Yeah, that's the ticket.

Nevermind the Ravens had one total turnover the entire game.

Fact!
 

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Alexander;2566808 said:
Nevermind the Ravens had one total turnover the entire game.

Fact!

Which was quickly cashed in for 6 by the oh-so-evil offense.
 

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Alexander;2566748 said:
I did not say it had anything to do with his scheme.

But you keep on and on about the 4 interceptions. His defense gave up the TD after Brown recovered the ball. His defense allowed the 2 point conversion to tie the game. His defense allowed the long completion to Reche Caldwell for the GW FG.

Try this on for size. We sacked Flacco how many times? There some beefy statistics for you. Yet it was just two little mistakes that brought the whole thing down. He called those run blitzes by the way. Nevermind. Poor unlucky Wade. Perfect scheme. Perfect plan. Those darn players and that bad luck again. Maybe this is HIS year. THE year. When the players finally execute what he calls and the bad luck stops.

Last I checked, Wade Phillips was the head coach of this team, not just the defensive coordinator. Just like he was the head coach in Buffalo and in Denver before that.

You want facts? Okay. No playoff wins. Ever.

Rhetoric. Can't argue with facts.

I cant put those 77 and 82 yarders on Wade. And I'm anti Wade. That was some of the worst tackling and gap control I've ever seen by the Cowboys.

If anything, put it on Wade because his team has terrible practice habits and his training camp does not involve hitting.
 

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NextGenBoys;2566845 said:
I cant put those 77 and 82 yarders on Wade. And I'm anti Wade. That was some of the worst tackling and gap control I've ever seen by the Cowboys.

If anything, put it on Wade because his team has terrible practice habits and his training camp does not involve hitting.

So it is still on him regardless. Excellent point.

There is such a thing as a causal effect. Not everything exists in a game by game vacuum. An undisciplined team is going to make the kind of mistakes like Hamlin and Spencer made on those runs eventually. The playcall itself was rather risky. And that begins and ends with the person responsible for that. That is why reason why preparation is so important. But how you prepare is just as important as the plan itself.

Execution only results from reinforced discipline. That's why I find Phillips referring to execution funny. And from the way I gather it, so do some of the players. That is when you get players like Terrence Newman asking where the accountability comes from in concerns to the coaches.
 

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dbair1967;2566056 said:
Yep...me too

I think he's gonna be a good HC, I'd rather it be here than somewhere else.

Besides if he leaves and turns into a great coach somewhere else, 99% of the people bashing Garrett now and wishing he'd be gone will blame Jerry for him not being here and saying its another example of Jerry being a stupid GM. GUARANTEED that happens.

Truer words have never been spoken on this board.
 

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The 'emerging' Saints didn't make the postseason this year.

We will have to wait a season or two to see if Sparano has more staying power than Peyton.

We will have to wait a little longer on that on Garrett.

Gotta love the oracles around these parts... ;)
 

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zeromaster;2567337 said:
The 'emerging' Saints didn't make the postseason this year.

We will have to wait a season or two to see if Sparano has more staying power than Peyton.

We will have to wait a little longer on that on Garrett.

Gotta love the oracles around these parts... ;)

The Saints have no defense, and the Dolphins did MUCH more with MUCH less.

Remember what Payton had to work with when he inherited the Saints. Here's a hint: it wasn't a roster full of Pro-Bowlers.
And as far as Sparano and the Dolphins, I think they go right back to 6-10/7-9 next year as they dont have a cupcake schedule. But that is not to diminish the fact that they went from 1-15 to 11-5 in one year. Sparano did much more with much less.
 

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parcells316;2565937 said:
I hope Garrett stays. He's 42, and has a bright future. I hope he eventually becomes the next HC here, but if he goes to Denver he'll be very successful because he'll have WRs that actually run their routes.
Those WRs are sitting at home just like the Cowboys, with a fired coach. But good try anyways.
 

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Clove;2567576 said:
Those WRs are sitting at home just like the Cowboys, with a fired coach. But good try anyways.
If you think Stokley, Royal, and Marshall don't run better routes than Williams and Owens than you're probably still wondering if a football is pumped or stuffed.
 

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Are you deranged?

This is what Flacco did in that game:

Passing
CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Flacco 17/25 149 1 0

FACT. I can stop making you look like a complete imbecile anytime you say.
So what if I got the 2 INTs wrong, how does this make you look good? Oh yeah, it doesn't...Those numbers for Flacco are horrible. Why didn't you include the turnover he had on the forced fumble as well? Notice how you avoid the TOP difference, where Baltimore had them by 5 minutes. And 6 of Dallas' minutes came on one drive in the fourth. How come you avoid the fact that the Dallas offense had five 3 and outs in the second and thrid quarter, and a couple of 4 and outs? How can a defense not be tired after the offense hands the ball right back to Baltimore, where they continue to run the ball and take control of the TOP? Like I said, how many times did Emmitt break long runs against teams in the fourth, despite teams knowing it was coming? Hell, even you pointed out Wade called run blitzes those game, which show he had the correct calls. It wasn't his fault Spencer over-shot his gap and his men got blown off the ball, because htye were tired.
And then you make asinine comments, like the defenseplay the last two series isn't somehow impacted by the prior three and a half quarters of football.

Whooptiy-doo that you got one fact out of 100 right. You can continue to harp on it all you want, but it is quite obvious your doing it, because you have no argument. Even with this 'statistical correction' it doesn't help your point. Flacco sucked that game. 149 yards and 17 completions is an impressive performance on what planet? He had 2 INTs the week before, against the Steelers, which is probably where I got the confusion, because I watched part of that game..

I guess the defense had nothing to do with it.



I will pretend that your "fact" of Flacco having two INTs is indeed reality and not a product of your sad little imagination now.
149 yards is impressive?

And Brady had four INTs. Yes, I know. You like to think that "facts" prove your hypotheses but they don't.

In that game, Phillips defense just happened to give up the TD, 2 point conversion and the final FG that won the game. You just continue on with the primitive logic that it was not his fault.
That score, his safety fumbled an INT in San Diego territory. Was it Wade's fault that his safety was careless with the ball. San Diego stilldrove down and missed a field goal. Was it Wade's fault that the kicker shafted the field goal? You have'nt proven anything... That is the fact... Wade didn't lose any of those games and he had his team's in position to win...
 
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