FWST: BLOG: Garrett makes an impression

[Neonnoodle]

Oh, and TO was in motion all the time last year...and it worked...So what did he do? Remove the good plays from the playbook? I mean that offense was comical..Now the one thing I will give you...and Garrett...Is I can't see all the plays... I can't see where ROMO screws up by missing an open receiver and he decides to throw to a covered TO. I don't know how often that happened. But when Ray Lewis and the Announcers..who do see the field...say that the offense is predictable...Then...you know..

 

[Quarterback Coach]

looks like Garrett will be leaving soon

thank goodness

please please please please please please please...

 

[Alexander]

Or maybe just a new OC, which means Fatso stays. Depressing, no?

I have no faith in who Jerry Jones would insert, because it would probably be internal like Sherman so he could keep his precious "continuity". Wade Phillips would have very little, if any, say in the matter, not that it would be much better.

I am positive, the reason Jerry Jones wants continuity so bad is that it will enable him to dump this staff along with Wade Phillips should the team fare poorly next year.

 

[Alexander]

please please please please please please please...

So you are practically begging for a Ray Sherman as offensive coordinator offense? Because that is what you are going to get.

And like it.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Here comes Shottenheimer ,or Shanny

Shanahan doesn't work this year. He just doesn't. We can't replace our entire O-line (minus Kosier) in 6 months and our current O-line (except Kosier) would ruin a Shanahan offense.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

I have no faith in who Jerry Jones would insert, because it would probably be internal like Sherman so he could keep his precious "continuity". Wade Phillips would have very little, if any, say in the matter, not that it would be much better.

I am positive, the reason Jerry Jones wants continuity so bad is that it will enable him to dump this staff along with Wade Phillips should the team fare poorly next year.

Yeah. As much as Garrett has underperformed, I would be very afraid of who would get slotted in there by JJ. Ideally, at least to me, we would get a disciplinarian with a common sense approach to game plans -- let the talent do the job. But good OCs are hard to come by.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah. As much as Garrett has underperformed, I would be very afraid of who would get slotted in there by JJ. Ideally, at least to me, we would get a disciplinarian with a common sense approach to game plans -- let the talent do the job. But good OCs are hard to come by.

If Garrett leaves causes a coaching change at the top with Shanahan or equivalent, it is worth it. What happens with Garrett is out of Jones' control. He's already bought him last offseason, there is no reason to throw more money at him or promise him the job to get him to stay.

If Garrett leaves and Phillips stays, we will undoubtedly take a step back as I cannot fathom how just staying the course would result any differently.

But that is Jerry Jones' decision. What he does at that point should tell us if he is serious about winning or just looking to write off 2009 and start over in 2010.

 

[MissionCoach]

And how is it a 50/50 chance? The guy is a young coach who just went through a down year. He will look at what he did wrong, and adjust. He will improve because of this year. Like I said, first Payton, then Sparano. And if he goes, now Garrett.

I see a probability higher than 50% that he will succeed. Just because there are two outcomes, does not mean they are 50/50

Couldn't agree with you more brother about the Coaching changes here.
Almost every Coach that has left Dallas has had success whether it be at the College or Pro Level

The only thing that never changes is our GM and that pretty much guarantees a 100% chance of mediocrity:bang2:

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Atlanta didn't just magically get better over night. They brought in a coach who actually wanted to be there, acquired one of the best rookie quarterbacks of this generation and ridded itself of at least one troublesome personality in DeAngelo Hall.

It wasn't like the team stunk, started a new season and -- holy cow! -- came from nowhere. Sure, their surge was no less surprising, but they addressed their team in the offseason and came back a completely different unit.

I think the Cowboys' woes can be fixed, too. But I don't think it can be changed by just spending a few months relaxing before returning the same group next season.

Sure, maybe this current group can do well. There's nothing written in stone saying it can't, even if it returns the same group intact. As the old saying goes, even blind squirrels find nuts. But the warning signs are there that we have some fatal flaws that must be addressed in terms of preparation, focus and chemistry. And it's entirely reasonable for anyone to be highly skeptical of this team until and unless some of our deficiencies are addressed.

Can they be addressed by returning everyone? Perhaps. But it's going to take a big change from everyone involved, starting with what's done at mini-camps, the focus, how they practice, what they're practicing, etc. And given our team's recent track record, it's difficult to just assume those things will be fixed. I need to see it to believe it.

Very good point.

I think, though, that the question is can it work by returning most people? We've already gotten rid of PacMan and Read and I expect there will be at least one more coaching change. Additionally, we're likely to have some decent amount of roster churning. Tank and Zach are probably both gone. There could be one, two, or three more significant drops (Roy, TO, Canty, Ellis) and several not so significant ones (Procter. Brad, Hurd)

Leaving it the same won't work. Tinkering probably won't be enough. But how about Tinkering Plus? Something more than tinkering, but less than radical? That might have a shot and would be interesting to watch unfold.

All else will likely just be morbidly fascinating.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

If Garrett leaves causes a coaching change at the top with Shanahan or equivalent, it is worth it. What happens with Garrett is out of Jones' control. He's already bought him last offseason, there is no reason to throw more money at him or promise him the job to get him to stay.

If Garrett leaves and Phillips stays, we will undoubtedly take a step back as I cannot fathom how just staying the course would result any differently.

But that is Jerry Jones' decision. What he does at that point should tell us if he is serious about winning or just looking to write off 2009 and start over in 2010.

I largely agree with this except I can't help but think that switching to Shanahan would result in a 2009 write-off as well -- I just don't see how the O-line gets properly overhauled in one year given the cap constraints and I don't see how the Shanahan offense succeeds with a bunch of dumb, immobile road graders.

 

[Alexander]

Me too. He'll take 3 or 4 coaches with him.

That would be yet another reason to just start over with Shanahan. The continuity would be reduced to nothing.

 

[Hostile]

That would be yet another reason to just start over with Shanahan. The continuity would be reduced to nothing.

I do agree with that.

Brian Schottenheimer as OC possibly. Who as DC? Because I'd want all new faces to tell the truth.

 

[Alexander]

I do agree with that.

Brian Schottenheimer as OC possibly. Who as DC? Because I'd want all new faces to tell the truth.

I would bet Jim Bates would be a serious consideration. Both Jones and Shanahan have employed him at one time or another. Or you might even see Campo promoted. Gary Gibbs would be available as well. Bob Slowik would probably come back as well.

On offense, you can forget about Schottenheimer. Think more along the lines of Jim Fassel.

 

[Hostile]

I would bet Jim Bates would be a serious consideration. Both Jones and Shanahan have employed him at one time or another. Or you might even see Campo promoted. Gary Gibbs would be available as well. Bob Slowik would probably come back as well.

On offense, you can forget about Schottenheimer. Think more along the lines of Jim Fassel.

Jagodzinski needs a job.

 

[khiladi]

You people think Jerry is going to fire Wade, when the assistant coach we just hired has ties to Wade. This year, Wade re-furbished his staff. It has actually been one year where Wade has had to implement his system, from a coaching stand-point. Jerry is more pro-Wade than any of you people think. Jason Garrett won't be able to take any of this staff with him, except for maybe his brothers. Hell, I'm sure Houck wouldn't even want to go with Garrett, considering the style of Houck is smash-mouth football, move the OL forward.

Jerry isn't stupid...

He knows Wade is light years ahead as a coach than Garrett is... Wade may have some faults, but it surely isn't drawing up X's and O's....

 

[khiladi]

Atlanta didn't just magically get better over night. They brought in a coach who actually wanted to be there, acquired one of the best rookie quarterbacks of this generation and ridded itself of at least one troublesome personality in DeAngelo Hall.

It wasn't like the team stunk, started a new season and -- holy cow! -- came from nowhere. Sure, their surge was no less surprising, but they addressed their team in the offseason and came back a completely different unit.

I think the Cowboys' woes can be fixed, too. But I don't think it can be changed by just spending a few months relaxing before returning the same group next season.

Sure, maybe this current group can do well. There's nothing written in stone saying it can't, even if it returns the same group intact. As the old saying goes, even blind squirrels find nuts. But the warning signs are there that we have some fatal flaws that must be addressed in terms of preparation, focus and chemistry. And it's entirely reasonable for anyone to be highly skeptical of this team until and unless some of our deficiencies are addressed.

Can they be addressed by returning everyone? Perhaps. But it's going to take a big change from everyone involved, starting with what's done at mini-camps, the focus, how they practice, what they're practicing, etc. And given our team's recent track record, it's difficult to just assume those things will be fixed. I need to see it to believe it.

It also helped that their offense actually ran the ball to take pressure off of Matt Ryan... You know, the very thing Garrett refused to do...

 

[noletime95]

Let's talk about what OL can run Shanny's system......

Flozell: No way, but based on his press clippings, Free is a good fit. Problem is that Flozell can't be cut for at least another year, probably two.

Kozier: Yes

Gurode: I don't perceive him as being entirely immoble. Maybe.

Davis: Maybe

Columbo: I doubt it. Just signed an extension though.

I'd have no issue retooling and taking a step back w/ Shanny. It would be worth it in the long run. Problem is guys like Flozell and Columbo can't be cut or traded. I suppose they could be expensive backups?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You people think Jerry is going to fire Wade, when the assistant coach we just hired has ties to Wade. This year, Wade re-furbished his staff. It has actually been one year where Wade has had to implement his system, from a coaching stand-point. Jerry is more pro-Wade than any of you people think. Jason Garrett won't be able to take any of this staff with him, except for maybe his brothers. Hell, I'm sure Houck wouldn't even want to go with Garrett, considering the style of Houck is smash-mouth football, move the OL forward.

I didn't even think about Houck, but I still think he was an RJ hire. Pretty much know he was. If Garrett left, I wonder if he'd take Hud with him. Frankly, I'm not sure that would be a bad idea.

Or maybe if we become more of a running team like Wade talked about, Houck's results would look a lot better.

Call me crazy and I know some will, but I just watched Wade's season-ending PC. I heard it live before and missed more of the beginning than I realized. I dunno, I have some faith that if Jerry will let him do what he wants, we will get better. He sounded pretty adamant (for him at a PC) that some players that were here this year are out of here. Maybe more than people think. I think he knows what's wrong with this team more than people give him credit for.

But in the end, I don't expect RJ to leave, because Denver won't choose him. Now Detroit, a cesspool? Maybe.

 

[khiladi]

One more thing:

The onus on Garrett was to run the ball all year long. It didn't just happen overnight. Wade even pointed out during mid-season the ball needs to be run more. He also stated quite unequivocally by the end of the year that running the ball reigns Romo in and lowers the turnover rate. wade had no real control over the offensive game-plan.

Garrett had all year to run the ball, and he didn't. He just made a couple of adjustments in the passing game. There is nothing to indicate the guy has learned and that he hs worth a dime, because he had plenty of time to adjust by the end of the year, but he didn't. He even refused to run right consistently, the very side the running game was successful when he did run. Amazing that he still tried running left so many times when proctor was in.

 

[Alexander]

I largely agree with this except I can't help but think that switching to Shanahan would result in a 2009 write-off as well -- I just don't see how the O-line gets properly overhauled in one year given the cap constraints and I don't see how the Shanahan offense succeeds with a bunch of dumb, immobile road graders.

I don't agree with that notion that Shanahan just would be completely appalled at the offensive line. I've made that fairly clear before.

He once started Holland in Denver. So why would he have a "bad fit" there and continue to start them for sixteen games? If you paid attention the last few years to the line in Denver, they have been moving away from the classic Broncos line gradually since Alex Gibbs left and Dennison took over the OL. I do not subscribe to the theory. Sorry.

If what you say is true, we should not even bother to hire Shanahan until we can overhaul the line. That is insane.