FWST: BLOG: Garrett makes an impression

[bbgun]

He knows Wade is light years ahead as a coach than Garrett is... Wade may have some faults, but it surely isn't drawing up X's and O's....

So the Lions and Broncos are contemplating hiring a coach who's "light years" behind Wade Phillips, a career playoff loser? If they really thought that was true, he'd never get inside the door.

 

[khiladi]

I didn't even think about Houck, but I still think he was an RJ hire. Pretty much know he was. If Garrett left, I wonder if he'd take Hud with him. Frankly, I'm not sure that would be a bad idea.

Or maybe if we become more of a running team like Wade talked about, Houck's results would look a lot better.

Call me crazy and I know some will, but I just watched Wade's season-ending PC. I heard it live before and missed more of the beginning than I realized. I dunno, I have some faith that if Jerry will let him do what he wants, we will get better. He sounded pretty adamant (for him at a PC) that some players that were here this year are out of here. Maybe more than people think. I think he knows what's wrong with this team more than people give him credit for.

But in the end, I don't expect RJ to leave, because Denver won't choose him. Now Detroit, a cesspool? Maybe.

1.

I think it the Houck hire was a mutual hire. Remember, Houck worked for Jerry and it most likely was Jerry that also wanted Houck. Hck, Houck also was with Wade when they were at San Diego. So Houck most likely wasn't even an over-turn, just a pick that everybody was familiar with. Wade and Jerry have just as much ties to Houck then RJ, even more, I would say. I don't see Houck going anywhere.

2.

It is quite clear that Houck favors a rushing mode of attack. I don't see any reason why Houck would even want to touch Jason Garrett, considering the style Garrett adopted is exact opposite of the way Houck likes to have his OL playing. Garrett is close to Martz in style, and Martz always has his QBs getting killed. Which OL coach wants their 300 plus OL moving backward in pass protection all the time?


2.

I actually agree with you. The things Wade, from the little I have read from his PC, pointed out were the key factors in our offense being stifled. He alluded to these things continually in the off-season, so it wasn't like he wasn't aware of them. But he had no control over this offense. JG was made Assistant Head Coach and given a huge salary, so really, what do people expect Wade was going to do, unless he had full support of Jerry when it came to the offense?

Jerry, hopefully, is giving Wade more authority to implement his plan.

 

[Alexander]

Call me crazy and I know some will, but I just watched Wade's season-ending PC. I heard it live before and missed more of the beginning than I realized. I dunno, I have some faith that if Jerry will let him do what he wants, we will get better. He sounded pretty adamant (for him at a PC) that some players that were here this year are out of here. Maybe more than people think. I think he knows what's wrong with this team more than people give him credit for.

And what exactly is it that Phillips wants to do? And what kept him from doing it all along? Sorry, I don't have that much faith in him.

He's going to be operating under the same constraints as last year and simply will be making frowny faces and imposing more fines, at least from the specific things he has said will be different.

He has already said he's not changing how he interacts with the players. If you watched him interacting with Spencer in Hard Knocks, it is fairly easy to see how the players on this team would not respect him.

 

[khiladi]

So the Lions and Broncos are contemplating hiring a coach who's "light years" behind Wade Phillips, a career playoff loser? If they really thought that was true, he'd never get inside the door.

Those Lions really know how to win, don't they....

 

[khiladi]

People forget...

Jerry explicitly told Wade to get more involved in the defense, when Brian Stewart was clearly failing this year. He did and the defense got better... Wade even began to start take credit for it...

Wade didn't do anything regarding the offense, because it is Jerry that gave full authority to Garrett to run this offense...

Who on this team could have reigned Jason Garrett in in terms of play-calling, when JG drew up the game-plan every week?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

And what exactly is it that Phillips wants to do? And what kept him from doing it all along? Sorry, I don't have that much faith in him.

He's going to be operating under the same constraints as last year and simply will be making frowny faces and imposing more fines, at least from the specific things he has said will be different.

He has already said he's not changing how he interacts with the players. If you watched him interacting with Spencer in Hard Knocks, it is fairly easy to see how the players on this team would not respect him.

But you and most others are already convinced that next year will be a hopeless disaster no matter what right now.

I kind of understand that, the way our season ended. I just don't think he's as dumb as most people do. And it will be more than just more "frowny faces". That's hyperbole.

Like he said, he's been with several teams that had down years and then came back with good ones. San Diego went 12-4, then 9-7 to miss the playoffs, then Marty made some changes and they went 14-2. Why not here?

 

[Alexander]

I kind of understand that, the way our season ended. I just don't think he's as dumb as most people do. And it will be more than just more "frowny faces". That's hyperbole.

I admit hyperbole for humor's sake. But doing a complete turnaround in philosophy is going to meet with snickers and a lack of respect and above all no buy in.

For two years, he's run light practices and ruled with a velvet hammer. So now, he's going to "get tough"? How is he going to sell something he has never done before? Bad thing is, he has to sell. Even though he should not have to.

Everyone will know exactly what he is and isn't and have already said so (see Bradie James' comments). The players know he is a lame duck and will be doing things to save his job and chances are going to be against him if the players don't want the same thing. I do not think they do, nor will Phillips get the mandate from the GM he needs. If it is going to work, they need to know he is in charge, has the mandate and they need to get with the program. Jones has to help him but I doubt he will. Phillips will have to sink or swim.

Like he said, he's been with several teams that had down years and then came back with good ones. San Diego went 12-4, then 9-7 to miss the playoffs, then Marty made some changes and they went 14-2. Why not here?

And they still collapsed in the playoffs.

I am concerned about fielding a consistent winner that can do damage in the postseason and even possibly make a Super Bowl one day. I am firmly convinced that will never happen with Wade Phillips.

 

[khiladi]

I kind of understand that, the way our season ended. I just don't think he's as dumb as most people do. And it will be more than just more "frowny faces". That's hyperbole.

I don't know how anybody can say this guy is dumb, based upon the fact he doesn't yell and scream at players... Maybe he needs to look at photo upon photo on the sidelines like Garrett does with Tony to look like a 'genius', despite Garrett's horrendous play-calling getting them into a situation in the first place...

Funny, how not a single player actually called out Wade... everything is flat-out speculation when it concerns wade, but you have direct quotes from players that call out Garrett's play-calling...

Wade has not said he is going to change the way he interracts with player's... He is going to fine-tune things, like the way they practice. He also said that he is going to seek advice from people like Reeves and Marty to see where he can change things.

 

[NextGenBoys]

But you and most others are already convinced that next year will be a hopeless disaster no matter what right now.

I kind of understand that, the way our season ended. I just don't think he's as dumb as most people do. And it will be more than just more "frowny faces". That's hyperbole.

Like he said, he's been with several teams that had down years and then came back with good ones. San Diego went 12-4, then 9-7 to miss the playoffs, then Marty made some changes and they went 14-2. Why not here?

Well put sir.

 

[khiladi]

And they still collapsed in the playoffs.

I am concerned about fielding a consistent winner that can do damage in the postseason and even possibly make a Super Bowl one day. I am firmly convinced that will never happen with Wade Phillips.

It wasn't Wade's fault. Forcing Brady into 4 INTs is surely a great job, I would think. And if the safety didn't fumble that INT, the Patriots wouldn't even have been in field position to actually get a score.

 

[NextGenBoys]

It wasn't Wade's fault. Forcing Brady into 4 INTs is surely a great job, I would think. And if the safety didn't fumble that INT, the Patriots wouldn't even have been in field position to actually get a score.

Yeah that loss is def. not on Wade or Schottenheimer. Their team outplayed the Patriots in every way possible, yet couldn't get one bounce to go their way.

The pick should have sealed it, but Troy Brown was....well, Troy Brown.

 

[Alexander]

It wasn't Wade's fault.

It usually isn't.

The Music City Miracle wasn't his fault. The Giants loss wasn't his fault. The injuries weren't his fault.

The first rule of leadership: Everything is your fault.

 

[PullMyFinger]

Denver wont need RB's anymore, with long bomb Garret coaching them.

He basically ran the same offense in week 16 that he ran in week 1. DC's got wise to his gameplan and he couldn't adjust, to me that's bad play calling.

Throw to TO deep
Throw to TO intermediate
Throw to Witten anywere, regardless if he's covered by 3 DB's
Run about 10 times a game.
Throw to Crayton short
Throw to RW short


I always thought it was funny when JG held his play card over his mouth, so no one could see what he was calling. NEWSFLASH Jason, they already know what you're calling!

Predictable coordinators need to go, either offensive, or defensive.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I admit hyperbole for humor's sake. But doing a complete turnaround in philosophy is going to meet with snickers and a lack of respect and above all no buy in.

For two years, he's run light practices and ruled with a velvet hammer. So now, he's going to "get tough"? How is he going to sell something he has never done before? Bad thing is, he has to sell. Even though he should not have to.

Everyone will know exactly what he is and isn't and have already said so (see Bradie James' comments). The players know he is a lame duck and will be doing things to save his job and chances are going to be against him if the players don't want the same thing. I do not think they do, nor will Phillips get the mandate from the GM he needs. If it is going to work, they need to know he is in charge, has the mandate and they need to get with the program. Jones has to help him but I doubt he will. Phillips will have to sink or swim. .

Come on Alex, he never said he was going to become a tough guy, or do a complete turnaround with his philosophy. I know you're smart enough to not believe this just because the JFEs and Calvin Watkins in town said it. Because Wade never said those things.

I do agree that Jerry has to be more on his side, but I'm not convinced that won't happen. Jerry may be an egomaniac, but this year did sting him, too.

I guess where I disagree with some is that this thing needs a complete massive overhaul. The differences in 9-7 teams and 11-5 teams in the NFL are very slight. They can be accounted for by several improvements, none of which seem massive on their own but which together add up to be significant.

 

[dfense]

looks like Garrett will be leaving soon

thank goodness

Yeah, won't that be awesome, a new coordinator, new scheme to learn that probably will need a few different players.

Can't wait. Maybe Wade has a cousin or something that coached offense.

 

[khiladi]

It usually isn't.

The Music City Miracle wasn't his fault. The Giants loss wasn't his fault. The injuries weren't his fault.

The first rule of leadership: Everything is your fault.

It wasn't his fault...

You can complain all you want, but Brady had one of the worst performances of his career against Wade's defense... When have you seen Brady force 4 INTs in the playoffs? Wade put that team in every position to win, and Brady made mistake after mistake because of the confusion and pressure brought by Wade... Four TOs.. That is impressive... He also didn't miss the field goal as well on the final play of the game as well...

The Music City Miracle wasn't his fault either, considering the pass was illegal... He also got robbed then... They most likely would have went to the Super Bowl then...

If anything, Wade has had some unfortunate circumstances... Crayton dropped a sure TD and Garrett once again went back to being a pass-happy, let me take shots downfield in the second-half coach, while the Giants simply started to attack, with safety help over the middle...

That takes nothing away from the fact he coached the hell out of those teams and he has worked with far more great player's than Garrett and even Shanahan...

 

[Alexander]

Come on Alex, he never said he was going to become a tough guy, or do a complete turnaround with his philosophy. I know you're smart enough to not believe this just because the JFEs and Calvin Watkins in town said it. Because Wade never said those things.

And I asked you, "how's he going to get tough?"

You did not answer and just assumed I was parroting Engel and Watkins. Let me rephrase it then.

What is he going to change? Putting pads on more often is going to make a difference? Changing the practice schedule? Orange Gatorade instead of green?

Fundamentally, he's not going to change. He will do what Jerry Jones calls "recreating". That means things stay the same but there will be a slugger's try on somethings because it has to be done to justify the "change" theme.

So a little tweaking is going to make this team suddenly turn around and start achieving? The entire mental makeup of this team and the leadership from the top down has to change. More of the same plus a little difference is not going to accomplish that.

Why would players that were not held accountable feel more accountable? Must be the frowns that are coming.

I guess where I disagree with some is that this thing needs a complete massive overhaul. The differences in 9-7 teams and 11-5 teams in the NFL are very slight. They can be accounted for by several improvements, none of which seem massive on their own but which together add up to be significant.

Wade Phillips has won 13 games with this team and still failed. So what is he going to do now? Go from 9 to 11 wins? Who cares if the end result is the same. The question needs to be is he "the guy". It is just like the quarterback. You can flounder for years with mediocrity or delude yourself you have a chance, but if you are honest, you know deep down what to expect.

 

[khiladi]

I do agree that Jerry has to be more on his side, but I'm not convinced that won't happen. Jerry may be an egomaniac, but this year did sting him, too.

The best and most logical thing for Jerry to actually do is allow Wade to do his thing, including offensively...

 

[Alexander]

It wasn't his fault...

You can complain all you want, but Brady had one of the worst performances of his career against Wade's defense... When have you seen Brady force 4 INTs in the playoffs? Wade put that team in every position to win, and Brady made mistake after mistake because of the confusion and pressure brought by Wade... Four TOs.. That is impressive... He also didn't miss the field goal as well on the final play of the game as well...

The Music City Miracle wasn't his fault either, considering the pass was illegal... He also got robbed then... They most likely would have went to the Super Bowl then...

If anything, Wade has had some unfortunate circumstances... Crayton dropped a sure TD and Garrett once again went back to being a pass-happy, let me take shots downfield in the second-half coach, while the Giants simply started to attack, with safety help over the middle...

That takes nothing away from the fact he coached the hell out of those teams and he has worked with far more great player's than Garrett and even Shanahan...

Oh the poor wretch. I take it all back. He's just the unluckiest man alive.

 

[khiladi]

Oh the poor wretch. I take it all back. He's just the unluckiest man alive.

Rhetoric... You can't argue with facts...

Brady, 4 INTs.. he doesn't kick field goals either... a last second missed field goal isn't his fault...

Music City 'miracle' was an illegal pass...

Garrett goes back to being Garrett, throwing the ball... even then, Crayton dropped wide open passes...

From a coaching stand-point, not a single thing had to do with his scheme...

How many chances did Cowher get?